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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 11:18 PM
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Rant agains Dems in my mail...please help rebut!
From the HAYS DAILY NEWS by R. W. Yeager Norton, Ks.

We need to show more sympathy for these people.

They travel miles in the heat, they risk their lives crossing a border, they don't get paid enough wages, they do jobs that others won't do or are afraid to do, they live in crowed conditions among a people who speak a different language, they rarely see their families, and they face adversity all day every day.

I'm not talking about illegal Mexicans, I'm talking about our troops.

Doesn't it seem strange that the Democrats are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegals, but don't support our troops and are now threatening to defund them?

Please pass this on, this is worth the short time it takes to read it.

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Now I need help to rebut this piece of doo-doo. I know there's stuff about Republicans cutting vet benefits, etc. Please just lay out for me anything you can.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 11:19 PM
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1. Ask your rep why is bush balking at a 6.25 per month
salary increase for troops
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 11:30 PM
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2. Great point. W balked at giving our troops an increase
But then what would he know about the military or any of his chickenhawks?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 11:36 PM
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3. It takes a chickenhawk to know one (eom)
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 11:37 PM
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4. For starters, the troops are in Iraq in the first place because of B*sh's LIES.
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nonoxy9 Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 11:41 PM
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5. Ask if Bush hates the troops
Because HE'S the one pushing so hard to let American corps. keep using illegals.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:16 AM
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6. You are an idiot. READ A FUCKING NEWSPAPER!
There's your response.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:17 AM
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7. Won't work
my local joke, that passes for a newspaper, is only good for bird cage liner, or fish wrap... serious
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 01:00 AM
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9. Well, the conservative patently can work e-mail, so show some real newspaper's websites. n/t
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 01:04 AM
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10. True but the real radicals consider the New York times
and the Washington Post ahem liberal Commie papers, and they will NOT, I repeat will not, go to the Guardian or the observer since they don't know english and are too damn liberal.

The last, they can't spell I was actually told to my face....

After I finished laughing I tore into saith freeper and showed him where he was an ignorant fool

As they say, you can lead a horse to water....
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 01:39 AM
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15. Too true. I've done that before, when my fundamentalist aunt told me there was no slavery
in the new testament.

The level of ignorance.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:34 AM
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8. For what it's worth, my two cents ...
Edited on Tue May-22-07 12:37 AM by NanceGreggs
Yes, we need to show more sympathy for these people.

They travel miles in the heat in a country they were told they were liberating, when in fact they were sent as occupiers, the target of every Iraqi citizen who has been treated as a criminal rather than as a liberated national.

They are greeted not with the promised sweets and flowers but with suspicion, anger, hatred -- understandable feelings held by people who have been arrested without cause, tortured, humiliated and sometimes murdered not by a few bad apples, but by US soldiers following orders that came directly from above, traceable all the way to the White House.

They risk their lives in combat without sufficient body armour and other necessary supplies, while Halliburton and other administration-friendly war profiteers are paid millions for delivering goods and services at prices far beyond the going rate and who have never been asked to justify their exorbitant fees.

They fulfill their duties on the other side of the world, all the while carrying the extra burden of worrying about wives and children left behind to make do on pennies-per-day while the mercenaries they fight beside are paid as much in a month as the average soldier earns in a year. Both are remunerated at the taxpayers' expense, and they cannot help but question why others' lives are deemed more valuable than their own.

They wonder why the president who sent them into battle did so without an exit strategy, nor a true plan for resolution of the conflict; they wonder why he persists in ignoring the advice of those whose experience in military matters should be heeded instead of being dismissed. They wonder why their president contends that a raise in their pay is unnecessary, and refuses to sanction a pay-raise that would literally only amount to a few more dollars per month.

They rarely see their families because their so-called Commander-in-Chief has extended their tours over and over again. They wonder why the president, his administration, and his party members extol the virtues of a war they started not by way of necessity, but of choice. They wonder why such people talk about supporting the troops at the same time they have cut their pay, their pensions, and their medical coverage.

They live among people who speak a different language, in conditions where communication would be invaluable. They wonder why so many translators were dismissed because of their sexual orientation in a time when their services were needed most.

They face adversity every day - not only from an indiscernible enemy, but from those in charge who apparently have no regard for their welfare. They live in fear of being severely wounded and winding up in Walter Reed or some other hellhole of a hospital that has been privatized and handed over to some loyal Bushie who is eager to cut costs and maximize profits. They wonder if they will come home disabled only to be told they are not eligible for the disability payments required to provide for themselves and their families.

They do their best and give their everything, every single day, and they are spat upon by the very people who sent them to where they are, and who keep them there for indefinite periods of time.

They wonder why they have been abandoned by the people who use them as a background for photo-ops when convenient, and ignore their plight the minute the cameras are turned away.

As for your question -- "Doesn't it seem strange that the Democrats are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegals, but don't support our troops and are now threatening to defund them?" -- it should be abundantly clear even to the most mindless of pseudo-patriots that the Democrats want to defund the war, not the troops. By doing so, the troops would be brought home to their families and loved ones, finally free to pursue the lives so needlessly interrupted by waging a war that was as unjustified as it is pointless and unwinnable.

And for your edification, it was G.W. Bush who vetoed a raise for our soldiers - a raise proposed and supported by the Democrats.

As for "lavishing all kinds of social benefits", no one would accuse this administration or the Republicans of lavishing anything on illegals; they are too busy enriching themselves and their friends to take notice of illegal aliens, or our fighting men and women, or anyone other than themselves.

After all, there are only so many billions of dollars to go around - and what hasn't been lost in the fog of war has been earmarked for the pockets of the war profiteers.

So please pass THIS on. It is worth the few minutes it takes to read it -- and while you are reading it, you might offer up a prayer for the soldier who died while you were doing so.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 01:05 AM
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11. This administration is on one big party
Without a word being said about our dead kids in Iraq and Afghanistan. At www.icasualties.org See what is really going on.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 01:20 AM
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13. That's great stuff, Nance! nm
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 01:07 AM
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12. Here's your one-liner you can use to sink this damn piece of mail:
Edited on Tue May-22-07 01:07 AM by Selatius
"Funny, I thought just this last week Bush threatened to veto a 3.5 percent pay raise for the troops and add an additional 40 dollars/month to pensions for widows and war vets."

Tell the person who wrote the mail to go fuck himself.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 03:14 AM
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17. honestly, that's all you can do with the remaining, bottom-feeding BushBots
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 01:25 AM
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14. It's unbelievable that anyone still thinks this way
Speaker Pelosi's site has some good stats showing the way this misadministration has totally screwed over the armed forces: http://speaker.gov/issues/index_html?id=0020





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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 03:13 AM
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16. Repigs put troops in these horrible circumstances, and in 3 years did nothing to help them
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 03:42 AM
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Well isn't that a crock of shit....
Edited on Tue May-22-07 03:47 AM by and-justice-for-all
...It seems someone, as the way of the rethug goes, is not giving the entire story and twisting things like a FauxNews pundit.

Dem's do not want to 'Defund' the troops, they want to stop Bush and his blank check policy. The troops had the funds they needed prior to this last surge, they did not have the things they needed because Bush seemed to think that they did not need them..Some seem to forget who had the house ans Senate when the disaster was engaged. THERE IS NO THREATING OF DEFUNDING THE TROOPS.

The Illegal immigrant issue was just one of many issues that have to be delt with eventually and one way or another. The road blocks to getting things in proper working order is hard when there are Reps who are not doing their job for the people but for themselves, Their buddies and their personal agendas to fill their pockets.

The troops are in their position because of one party, the Republican party. The Democrats are doing what they can, which is the right thing that needs to be done. Its more important then more funds...getting them the fuck out of their is what is important, but it seems that people who write such rubbish emails that attack the very thing they should be supporting are accomplishes to mass murder, Troop and civilian. That nonsense is what is costing more people their lives and its all for nothing!

The best support you can give a troop is getting them home!
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 03:42 AM
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18. self delete...dup.
Edited on Tue May-22-07 03:47 AM by and-justice-for-all
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:22 AM
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19. Doesn't it seem strange...
that the Republicans held power for six years and yet did nothing about illegal immigration?

Doesn't it seem strange that the Republicans who sent our troops into combat have to rely on the Democrats to support and fund those troops?

Looks to me like Republicans don't have a fucking clue.
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kiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:42 AM
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20. Gosh, where to start?
I mean, that e-mail is so jam-packed with figures and evidence! It's a veritable ocean of links and hard statistical data!

Oh. My mistake. I meant to say, file under "pulled out of sender's ass".
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