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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 10:02 PM Original message |
Arne supports having flawed NYC test scores published with teachers' names and ratings. |
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Reader Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
1. I really hate this man. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 10:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. It's painful. |
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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 10:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Slightly off topic |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 10:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. There will be no public disagreement. |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
71. "Not a single Democratic leader is aware"... |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 07:36 AM Response to Reply #3 |
13. Fetal Progressives. |
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offog (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
57. Another example of teacher-bashing. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 06:37 AM Response to Reply #57 |
68. Uh |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 08:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
20. Why did you not expect the NYC DOE to comply with the First Amendment? |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
5. thanks, mad, for keeping us informed on this topic. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
6. k & r |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
50. Yes, they, the neo-libs-cons the New World Order crowd |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
7. This is going to backfire on Obama |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 07:41 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Is hurting Democrats now. I had dinner |
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zenprole (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 02:23 AM Response to Original message |
8. Lesson Plan |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 08:33 AM Response to Reply #8 |
18. He's supporting the First Amendment--these are press FOIL requests. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 02:27 AM Response to Original message |
9. knr |
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Reader Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 06:33 AM Response to Original message |
10. Morning kick |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 06:47 AM Response to Original message |
11. Published flawed test scores would subject New York City to litigation in two ways: |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 08:31 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Really? Explain how lawful compliance with FOIL would lead to any of the suits you mention. n/t |
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KurtNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 08:36 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. you need to take the word "lawful" out of your question n/t |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 08:41 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Tell us, what is 'unlawful' about the FOIL request? |
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KurtNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:13 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Who is "us" ? -- I just see you posting the same thing 5 times in a |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:31 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. It would be great if you gave some facts--how are these disclosures unlawful? n/t |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:13 AM Response to Reply #17 |
26. If the method by which the findings are calculated, there's the problem of |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:36 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. But you still aren't explaining how that leads to liability on anyone's part-- |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 10:23 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. If the results are suspect and unreliable, and the particular score leads to |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. How would the results lead to a discharge? In NYC? Home of the Rubber Room? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 10:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
65. They got rid of the rubber rooms |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #31 |
40. none filed because the "ratings" published weren't part of school personnel files, but a bill gates- |
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demodonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 06:51 AM Response to Original message |
12. Would they publish doctor names w/how many patients died, or lawyers' w/how many cases they lost?? |
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offog (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
59. Damn good argument, demodonkey! |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
15. he did`t improve the chicago schools and.... |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
16. This is a VERY misleading OP!!!! Should NYC schools not comply with FOIL requests from the press? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #16 |
41. . |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #16 |
48. hmm... |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
22. Yes, let's put people in danger by releasing personal info |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 08:49 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. So how do you balance the First Amendment right of the press, who did the FOIL requests? |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:04 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. rrrrright...let's use the press to single out teachers |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:07 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. The press filed the FOILs--not Arne Duncan, not President Obama, not |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:15 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Singling out teachers by using the media |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:29 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. I think the media has the right to certain information about public employees. Cops, garbagemen, |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #29 |
54. What if the stats are proven to be unreliable? |
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offog (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 05:42 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. I agree with Catshrink .... |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:27 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Thank you Catshrink and offog. I was about to suggest |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
32. What's far more damaging to education |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. +1 |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 11:03 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. . |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
37. This is another perfect illustration... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
38. Someone just reminded me of this interview with Arne by a teacher. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Excellent! nt |
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erodriguez (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
39. What happens to a former teacher who is no longer working but gets her name and score published? |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 12:08 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Everything you write is true. And completely legal. |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. hmm... |
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erodriguez (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 04:16 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Lol that guy is my ignore list |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 04:19 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Mine, too. |
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erodriguez (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. I briefly took him off to see what he was speaking of. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Heh heh |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 11:27 PM Response to Reply #53 |
66. Well, |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 10:39 PM Response to Reply #49 |
64. LOL Great call!! |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 06:07 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Bwahahahahaha!!! |
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patty2828 (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
43. Duncan needs to go |
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cjbgreen (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
44. I HATE TO SAY THIS, no |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. looks like that, yes. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Rahm or Obama? And they used the kids from "Waiting for Superman" |
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erodriguez (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
55. The unintended consequences of these types of measures |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
60. How Will Teachers Respond in 2010 and 2012? |
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callous taoboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
62. Yes. every child is hermetically sealed except when in my care. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
63. Oh hell to the no! |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
69. Let's see Arne post HIS credentials, or lack thereof! |
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EndElectoral (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
70. Interesting teacher scores are posted, but not doctor's scores. |
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