Help! I'm looking for O'Donnel transcript link

[Kelvin Mace]

Using a variety of search terms trying to find a complete transcript from the Coons-O'Donnell debate (the "Church and State one) I keep coming up with their first debate, but not the second.

Does any know of a link to a complete transcript of the Widener University debate. I checked Widner and Cooons' sites, but no joy.


Thanks for any help.

[sinkingfeeling]

1. Here's the part with the quotes...

http://www.examiner.com/political-transcripts-in-national/o-donnell-coons-separation-of-church-state-roils-online-debate-full-transcript

O'DONNELL: What I think about the theory of evolution is irrelevant because I will defend the

COONS: (overtalking) I'm just asking a simple question...

O'DONNELL: Let me ask you, what is the relevance on that? Other than campaigning on something which you plan to do, going to churches and you know, do you disagree with the positions of the several churches that you've been attending?

COONS: The churches have an absolute right to believe whatever religious doctrine they (much overtalking)

O'DONNELL: Public schools do not have the right to teach what they feel?

COONS: (Unintelligible)

O'DONNELL: Well there you go. Talking about imposing your belief on the local schools. I'm saying that if the local community wants to teach the theory of evolution, it's up to the school board to decide. But when I made those remarks, it was because the school board wanted to also teach the theory of intelligent design; and the government said that they could not.

O'DONNELL: You have just stated that you will impose your will over the local school district and that is a blatant violation of our constitution.

COONS: And to be clear, Ms. O'Donnell.I believe that creationism is religious doctrine and that evolution is broadly accepted

O'DONNELL: How about the theory of intelligent design?

COONS: Creationism, which is the theory of intelligent design, is religious design. Evolution is widely accepted, well defended scientific fact- and our schools should be teaching science. If we want to instruct our children in religious doctrine and religious practice, as my wife and I choose to do, that's wonderful. That's what our churches are for and that's what private or parochial schools are for. But our public schools should be teaching broadly accepted scientific fact - not religious doctrine.

O'DONNELL: Well, you've just proved how not just how little you know about constitutional law and nothing about the theory of evolution. Because the theory of evolution is not a fact; it is a theory. If local school districts want to give that theory equal credence to intelligent design, it is their right. You are saying it is not their right. That is what has gotten our country into this position. The overreaching arm of the federal government, getting into the business of the local schools.The Supreme Court has always said it is up to the local community to decide their standards. The reason we are in this mess we're in is because our so-called leaders in Washington, no longer view the indispensable principles of our founding as true and fact - indispensable. First of all, we're supposed to have limited government...

COONS: The indispensable principle is separation of church and state.

O'DONNELL: Where in the constitution is the separation of church and state?

AUDIENCE: ( Eruption of guffaws with loud sustained laughter from the group of mostly college law students)

[Kelvin Mace]

2. Yes, I found that

but they only quote the one section. In a subsequent story where she tries to refute she's an idiot, she make this claim:

I followed up with, 'Can you name the five freedoms that are guaranteed to us that are protected by the First Amendment?' And he could not."

I don't remember that in the debate, and can't find a full transcript to check.

[Brother Buzz]

4. She said it at the very end, as an afterthought

She said it while the moderator was already speaking, "Moving on to our next question....". It was background noise and shouldn't be in the transcript.

[Kelvin Mace]

5. Thanks, I missed it

and thought we might have another flat out lie.

[Brother Buzz]

6. Coons heard it loud and clear and would have jumped in and schooled her more, but....

he's 'old school' and believes the rules and order are to be followed in a proper debate, and all those silly ideas of civility.

[louis-t]

3. What no one has mentioned is that O'DumDum thought the crowd

was laughing WITH her, when they were laughing AT her.