The Bin Laden Family Just Gave Money to the GOP

[McCamy Taylor]

Now, I am not saying that the Bin Laden family wrote a check to the RNC. That would be illegal---and stupid as hell. However, the Bin Laden family owns a chunk of Goldman Sachs.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/3621060/The-acceptable-face-of-the-bin-Ladens.html

And Goldman Sachs has given a big chunk of money to the “U.S.” Chambers of Commerce, which is being used as a conduit to funnel obscene amounts of corporate cash towards Republican candidates.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/22/us/politics/22chamber.html?_r=3&ref=politics&pagewanted=all

The Bin Laden family also owns a piece of Citigroup. And Citigroup is also a regular contributor to the “U.S.” Chambers of Commerce.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/22/more-corporate-chamber/#more-$id

The Bin Laden family also owns a piece of Microsoft. And guess where Microsoft sent a million bucks this year. (For the answer, see the Think Progress link above)

The Bin Laden family also owns a piece of Boeing….

See the problem when so called multinational corporations start flooding U.S. elections with money? The money they are spending is supposed to buy influence and favors for corporation. But a corporation is just the public face of its owners.

The next time you see a U.S. Chamber of Commerce ad promising “Jobs and freedom” ask yourself what the Bin Laden Family really wants from the U.S. Congress. Hint: it is unlikely that either “jobs” or “freedom” are high on its wish list.

[w8liftinglady]

1. WOW!...thanks for that tidbit...bookmarking..

[Divine Discontent]

83. and it should be bookmarked by the outside groups spending $ against GOP candidates in tight

red state elections. There's a few of them out there, and they should hammer this fact... They've ALWAYS backed the Republicans.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. Thank you for connecting the dots.

God damn.

Recommended.

[unkachuck]

3. could this mean....

....the Republicans have ties to terrorists?

[thewiseguy]

14. The Bin Laden family are not terrorists

They run a huge multinational construction firm and disowned Osama a long time ago.

[JJ]

26. Oh, in that case, I guess it's OK for them f**k with our elections.

[uppityperson]

35. false conclusion or poor logic. Not saying that at all there.

Not ok for them to fuck with our elections but also they are not terrorists.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

66. America is 'owned' by Saudi Arabia look at News Corporation!

The Saudis are in to everything. United States of Saudi Arabia!

[phasma ex machina]

89. Why not? Everyone else does. nt

[Diclotican]

49. thewiseguy

thewiseguy

In that place of the world, you do not "disowned" your family easely, and even tho they official, in public had said that he are not part of the familiy, they are still bounded to him. And if Osama Bin Laden ever need help from the familiy, they would more than posible help him out in a decsreete way at least... And OBL still have a lot of money from his herritage, who I doubt is closed for him to have, if he ever

But of course, in official terms, they disowned OBL along time ago, and would have nothing with him anymore...

Diclotican

[ProudDad]

73. All corporate capitalists are terrorists...

The evil they do brands them so...

The terror and devastation wrought by corporate capitalists dwarfs anything that Osama bin Laden could dream up...

[uppityperson]

4. On the other hand, the Bin Laden family is quite large and they disowned Osama in 1994

I'm more concerned about the overall Saudi's involvement with finances and politics.

[provis99]

39. considering they were still giving Osama money after they "disowned" him,

I'll take that with a grain of salt.

[uppityperson]

53. Link to their continued support please? I'd like to see it

since I haven't and if you have a link, I'd be happy to read it. I may be uppity but I can learn.

[Tunkamerica]

59. responded to wrong post... see below

[Tunkamerica]

58. here's the first thing that turned up on google

There is, however the other side of the story. Bin Laden is a member of a big family. His father's financial inheritance has not been sorted. The brothers agreed to keep many assets of the father and distribute the profits only. Most of the brothers and sisters are observing Muslims and very keen not to "spoil" their income with money which is not theirs. They believe it is their duty to let the owner of any riyal to have it. The only way they guarantee that is by letting bin Laden's share reach him. Some of the brothers and sisters believed it was their religious duty to support this distinguished brother from their own money. While many are very careful not to irritate the royal family, many more do not care and insist on letting the money reach Osama.

The way bin Laden family money is structured is very complicated because there is the big company and there are many small companies of few brothers together, and there are many individuals with their personal investment. To make the matter even more complex it is very well known that bin Laden family money is intimately mixed with the royal family money in a very complex way. Most of the companies are joint ventures with members of the royal family including King Fahad himself.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/who/bio2.html

[uppityperson]

61. Thank you, that is very interesting. Wish they'd call him Osama since BinLaden is the family

name (minor gripe there).

I believe he gets/got money from many Saudi's beyond blood relatives (of which there are many many many).

Thank you. I don't like foreign nationals spending money to influence elections, no matter if it be them or us, here or there.

[femrap]

67. Gee.....what problems

there are when having ever so much money.

I really look forward to the day when Saudi Arabia runs out of oil or the rest of the world goes to a sustainable form of energy. Maybe they can find a new way to use sand.

[PSzymeczek]

71. More than a grain,

a whole freaking saltlick.

[butterfly77]

5. kick

[midnight]

6. Why does this banking scandle, chamber of commerece just get more crazy

every time I think I understand the workings of this fraud.... I'll have to keep stretching to understand why a family that is accused of being relatated to the man who is at large for 9-11 is operating big time financially in this country?

[RKP5637]

7. Money. n/t

[Angry Dragon]

8. And the Supreme Court opened this door knowing full well

what would happen. Huge amounts of cash coming from who knows where.
If they did not then they are not smart enough to be Supreme Court justices.

It is time to impeach them and try them for treason. For their decision in Citizens United
they have weakened this country and that is cause for a treason charge.

edit:spelling

[RKP5637]

12. I was stunned when they did this! I give a donnation and I practically have to

sign my life away. A mega-corp gives a donation and oh, that's OK, no info. needed, and unlimited. It's a huge bunch of BS. How much more do Americans need to know there is something seriously wrong with the system. It's rigged.

[tex-wyo-dem]

9. If there were ever a slap in the face as to why we need...

100% publically financed elections, this is it...

What we have now is obscene,,,a death stake to the heart of democracy.

[Historic NY]

10. W/o disclosure how would we even know if he didn't?

[political_Dem]

11. K and R. Good info.

[thewiseguy]

13. and why are you singling out the Bin Laden family?

They disowned Bin Laden a long time ago.

The family operates one of the largest construction firms in the Middle East. Naturally they are going to have huge assets here in America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Binladin_Group

How is this thread any better than what Glenn Beck does on his show? With a board and chuck he connects everything and comes up with a conclusion to scare people off.

And 28 people recommended this. All I have to say is wow...

[madrchsod]

15. they are Muslims....that should be enough for the teabaggers.

[catzies]

21. Right you are. Keep it simple...for the stupid. n/t

[uppityperson]

22. Having disowned Osama yrs ago isn't good enough for many, must still be OMGish

it is annoying, I agree. Aside from a foreign group having assests in the USA, there is nothing special about this group/family beyond their attachments to Sauidi royalty. The Osama connection is long gone.

Up to 69 recs. Wow indeed.

[skepticscott]

24. And is anyone betting

that if we searched through all of the holdings of the Bin Laden family we'd find no connections whatsoever to Democratic campaign contributions? Doubt it.

[ProudDad]

74. You obviously missed a major point

that is, that thanks to interlocking global corporations, the bin Laden family are contributing cash to influence USAmerican elections!

And there ain't shit any of us can do about it...

Just like USAmerica did to Nicaragua back in the 80s to get rid of the Sandinistas...

[Swamp Rat]

16. So did Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and Hitler's Ghost

for all we Americans know.

[thewiseguy]

17. "A corporation is just the public face of its owners"

Do a little bit of studying first before you open up a thread like this and single out a family. Oooh their last name is Bin Laden so they must be terrorists!

The so called multinational corporation that you mentioned has over 40,000 employees worldwide and are a huge construction firm.

Bin Laden's family disowned him in 1994. Just for your information.

[Capitalocracy]

54. Just to point out...

this is used as a hyperbolic illustration of the fact that we have election finances coming from unknown sources all over the world, NOT from concerned Americans wishing to make their voices heard.

So in essence, the American populace is the target of a global propaganda war trying to influence them in order to create policies that may or may not even affect them, or may severely negatively affect them.

[ProudDad]

75. The OP did NOT say that....

The truth is that the bin Ladens among many other foreigners via global corporations are paying to influence USAmerican elections (on the side of the republicans)...

Just like ronny ray-gun's NED did to Nicaragua...

How does it feel to be on the receiving end?

[alfredo]

18. Thank you. Shutter lag of my P&S made it hit and miss.

[jberryhill]

19. The entire family are terrorists?

If we want to play this game, I have a long list of Italian surnames....

[The Uncola]

20. Business as usual. n/t

[felix_numinous]

23. Front and center

this news should be front page everywhere, hello... teabaggers, know what to be angry at. It's not us.

[Ichingcarpenter]

25. KICK AND NOMINATED

For the fools that think
that its not or it is a
conspiracy.

Bush......Daddy..... was at lunch with that family
on

911

[uppityperson]

27. And "that family" disowned Osama years ago

Did Clinton ever have lunch with any of the BinLadens?

[Ichingcarpenter]

28. What? When they flew them out the country on 911?

AND NO AMERICAN OR EUROPEAN COULD LEAVE?

They flew that family out of the States back to Saudi Arabia.

[uppityperson]

31. Here is snopes (urban legend) take on it. No, they didn't fly out on 9/11

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp
Just because something is repeated enough does not make it true.

[Ichingcarpenter]

36. I said that Bush was having Lunch with them

Now you say they changed that history too?

[uppityperson]

37. You wrote "When they flew them out the country on 911? AND NO AMERICAN OR EUROPEAN COULD LEAVE?"

"When they flew them out the country on 911?
AND NO AMERICAN OR EUROPEAN COULD LEAVE?"

Snopes says this is false.

[Ichingcarpenter]

38. He was having LUNCH WITH THE BUSH........ you deny that?

On 911?


I just love to see where you come from.

Now...

[uppityperson]

41. What "he"? Link to wtf you are talking about.

now...

[Ichingcarpenter]

40. I'm sure they have the REAL TRUTH.... ON WHAT

the FBI and the CIA were doing that week.

Since the only fact is from that BOGUS investigation

[uppityperson]

42. Go to 9/11 forum for all that. All I'm saying is you are wrong about

"When they flew them out the country on 911?
AND NO AMERICAN OR EUROPEAN COULD LEAVE?"

[Ichingcarpenter]

43. Bush was meeting with that Family that Day...that's the point

I like how you never address that fact!

[uppityperson]

44. Link to "that fact". I like how you never address your "facts" I showed false.

[Ichingcarpenter]

45. You are saying that George Bush Sr. was not meeting with

a member of the Bin Laden family that day?

[uppityperson]

46. Let me use small words. I am saying this is false: "When they flew them out the country on 911?.."

I am ASKING you for a link to your assertion that George Bush Sr was having lunch with a Bin Laden on 9/11.

I am saying "When they flew them out the country on 911? AND NO AMERICAN OR EUROPEAN COULD LEAVE?" is false.

I am ASKING for a link to prove what you assert as proving a negative is difficult and it is your assertion.

[Ichingcarpenter]

47. I guess you are a witness to the truth for what the Bush history is

that is written today.

I'm sure we will have readers that will find their own path.

I will not get my thread

DUMPED...... because of your thoughts or my replies
that might reveal something.

[uppityperson]

48. wtf? I do not have an opinion of "bush ate lunch w binladen" but show the flight thing

you stated as fact is false.

Yes, I am witness to truth that "When they flew them out the country on 911? AND NO AMERICAN OR EUROPEAN COULD LEAVE?" has been shown to be false.

I have NO OPINION on "papa bush ate lunch with a binladen on 9/11" because I DO NOT KNOW. If you wish to SHOW me link or proof, please do so. You do not want to share any information about this? That is ok. But then do not bash me for not knowing what you are talking about.

[Name removed]

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[Ichingcarpenter]

52. Nice

I await those that know the truth
to respond.

Thanks mods...... you know the truth
and delete this also

[ProudDad]

76. THEN the motherfucker flew them home... (n/t)

[greytdemocrat]

70. You're pretty funny.

Did you find a job yet or are you hoping the Bin Ladens pay you off to keep quiet???

[RoccoR5955]

72. It was all over the news, that they were flown out on 9/12, not 9/11

The fact of the matter, is that they used charter flights, which were being allowed for "medical emergencies."
Each, and every member of the bin Laden family was on any of those flights. So snopes is not incorrect, it merely lacks all of the information. It was probably censored.

[uppityperson]

86. Each, and every of the hundred plus member of the bin Laden family? Really?

"Each, and every member of the bin Laden family was on any of those flights." If that is true, it is amazing they let Osama fly out.

Snopes, and elsewhere (9/11 commission report), now give the information that they were allowed to fly 9/13, when airspace opened at 11 am. As you wrote, that is not 9/11.

http://911.gnu-designs.com/Chapter_10.html

First, we found no evidence that any flights of Saudi nationals, domestic or international, took place before the reopening of national airspace on the morning of September 13, 2001.24 To the contrary, every flight we have identified occurred after national airspace reopened.25
(clip)
24 During the morning of September 11, the FAA suspended all nonemergency air activity in the national airspace. While the national airspace was closed, decisions to allow aircraft to fly were made by the FAA working with the Department of Defense, Department of State, U.S. Secret Service, and the FBI. The Department of Transportation reopened the national airspace to U.S. carriers effective 11:00 A. M. on September 13, 2001, for flights out of or into airports that had implemented the FAA's new security requirements. See FAA response to Commission questions for the record, June 8, 2004.
After the airspace reopened, nine chartered flights with 160 people, mostly Saudi nationals, departed from the United States between September 14 and 24. In addition, one Saudi government flight, containing the Saudi deputy defense minister and other members of an official Saudi delegation, departed Newark Airport on September 14. Every airport involved in these Saudi flights was open when the flight departed, and no inappropriate actions were taken to allow those flights to depart. See City of St. Louis Airport Authority, Lambert-St. Louis International Airport response to Commission questions for the record, May 27, 2004; Los Angeles International Airport response to Commission questions for the record, June 2, 2004; Greater Orlando Aviation Authority, Orlando International Airport response to Commission questions for the record, June 8, 2004; Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority, Washington Dulles International Airport response to Commission questions for the record, June 8, 2004; Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, JFK Airport response to Commission questions for the record, June 4, 2004; Massachusetts Port Authority, Logan International Airport, and Hanscom Airfield response to Commission questions for the record, June 17, 2004; Las Vegas-McCarran International Airport response to Commission questions for the record, June 22, 2004; Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, Newark Airport response to supplemental question for the record, July 9, 2004.

Another particular allegation is that a flight carrying Saudi nationals from Tampa, Florida, to Lexington, Kentucky, was allowed to fly while airspace was closed, with special approval by senior U.S. government officials. On September 13, Tampa police brought three young Saudis they were protecting on an off-duty security detail to the airport so they could get on a plane to Lexington. Tampa police arranged for two private investigators to provide security on the flight. They boarded a chartered Learjet. Dan Grossi interview (May 24, 2004); Manuel Perez interview (May 27, 2004); John Solomon interview (June 4, 2004); Michael Fendle interview (June 4, 2004). The plane took off at 4:37 P. M., after national airspace was open, more than five hours after the Tampa airport had reopened, and after other flights had arrived at and departed from that airport. Hillsborough County Aviation Authority, Tampa International Airport response to Commission questions for the record, June 7, 2004. The plane's pilot told us there was "nothing unusual whatsoever" about the flight other than there were few airplanes in the sky. The company's owner and director of operations agreed, saying that "it was just a routine little trip for us" and that he would have heard if there had been anything unusual about it. The pilot said he followed standard procedures and filed his flight plan with the FAA prior to the flight, adding, "I was never questioned about it." Christopher Steele interview (June 14, 2004); Barry Ellis interview (June 14, 2004). FAA records confirm this account. FAA supplemental response to Commission questions for the record, June 8, 2004. When the plane arrived at Lexington Blue Grass Airport, that airport had also been open for more than five hours. Lexington-Fayette Urban County Airport Board, Blue Grass Airport response to Commission questions for the record, June 8, 2004. The three Saudi nationals debarked from the plane and were met by local police. Their private security guards were paid, and the police then escorted the three Saudi passengers to a hotel where they joined relatives already in Lexington. Mark Barnard interview (June 7, 2004). The FBI is alleged to have had no record of the flight and denied that it occurred, hence contributing to the story of a "phantom flight." This is another misunderstanding. The FBI was initially misinformed about how the Saudis got to Lexington by a local police officer in Lexington who did not have firsthand knowledge of the matter. The Bureau subsequently learned about the flight. James M. interview (June 18, 2004).
Richard Clarke interview (Jan. 12, 2004).

Are those censored also? Still, it wasn't 9/11. That is what I am saying.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

29. K&R

[thesquanderer]

30. I don't get it

Even if this mattered, I don't think the Bin Ladens own enough of Citigroup or Microsoft to tell them who to contribute money to. Many people on this board probably own pieces of these companies as well. Unless someone owns half the company or is one of their execs, I don't think they have any say in who they contribute to.

[Capitalocracy]

56. That's a pretty good explanation

of exactly why the court was wrong (and knew it) on this decision. Their claim was that the shareholders' right to free political speech was infringed... but if they don't have a direct say in what the company advocates through their donations, well, that argument just falls apart, doesn't it?

[ProudDad]

77. All global corporations are motherfuckers and fatherrapers...

they KNOW who to send the money to without being told...

And the bin Ladens know that the fuckers will "protect their investment" against the majority of us whom they exploit!

[LLStarks]

32. Even if you're pointing out multinational influence, I hate fear-mongering threads like this.

Throwing around the Bin Laden name is very cheap.

[uppityperson]

33. Very true to all that. For any who might want to educate themselves over this huge family & business

Here are links to wiki to start with.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Binladin_Group
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Laden_family

[ProudDad]

78. And your problem with "staining the name" of theocratic assholes is? ( n/t)

[peacetalksforall]

34. The Bin Laden 'family would be Osama b L's wives, children, grandchildren. Osama's relatives

are the owners. But, no one knows the true relationship between Osama and his relatives. I've read articles that say they were required to have distanced themselves, but have not done so - only in the public eye.

Without having read all the articles that you linked, it would have been better to have said 'relatives' instead of 'family'.

[bobburgster]

51. Wow, that's scary!

I'm sure the MSM has jumped all over that. :sarcasm:

[Obamanaut]

55. Is there a 'rest of the story'? Three of the contributors in the OP also

gave $ to Democrats.

Even Harry Reid benefited from some of the Goldman Sachs largess.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/company-news/the-10-biggest-corporate-campaign-contributors-in-u-s-politics/19652265/

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=d000000085

[uppityperson]

62. Microsoft has donated to Democrats. Some to repubs also, but

to many people. And I bet they got the bulk of their money not from Saudis.

[Obamanaut]

64. My point was that even though those companies gave money to

GOP, and the bin Laden conglomerate of extended family has their financial fingers in those pies so we see an OP that tells us bin Laden gave money to GOP.

It is true, but where is the disclaimer that tells us slices of those same pies went to Dems as well.

By not telling the rest of the story, isn't that sort of misleading, along the line of "have you stopped beating your wife?"

[uppityperson]

69. I am in agreement. Using the name to elicit OMGness is wrong. While true, not complete story.

[ProudDad]

80. And your problem with exposing corruption of our political process is what? ( n/t)

[uppityperson]

85. Why would I have a problem with exposing all corruption of our political process?

And your problem with showing that some businesses contribute to both parties is what?

[ProudDad]

87. I think we've just misunderstood one another...

I'll bet we agree that...

We hate the corporate-funded nature of our corrupt "political process"...

And that both wings of the Corporate War party are recipients of corporate largess, alas...

:hi:

[uppityperson]

92. Indeed, I think so also. take care. eom

[ProudDad]

79. Yep, the two right-wings of the corporate war party

share in the spoils...

[tclambert]

57. You may be onto a way to fight the Citizens United Supreme Court decision. Foreign influence!

The Roberts Court says corporations are people, with all the free speech rights human beings have. HOWEVER, corporations are not necessarily U.S. citizens. Many have corporate "headquarters" in the Caribbean. And ALL publicly traded corporations have SOME foreign stockholders. You can argue that these obvious opportunities for foreign influence mean that any such corporations should not be allowed to participate in our elections. That is, the Roberts court decision can stand, but only applies to corporations headquartered in the U.S. and wholly owned by U.S. citizens.

[grahamhgreen]

60. Should the justices that voted to allow the countries enemies to influence our political parties be

Allowed to stay on the bench?

[Name removed]

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[ProudDad]

81. Give it a rest -- that's not what the OP was saying (n/t)

[TheDebbieDee]

65. I believe the Bin Laden family and several other prominent

Arab families have donated money to the repukes through the COC.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out at some future date that Al-Queda has donated (either directly or indirectly - how would we know?) to the COC in an effort to influence our elections. Because nothings makes their membership (Al-Queda) grow faster than the implementation of American conservative policies!

[Chisox08]

68. If Democrats would have recieved money form the Bin Laden Family

Fox News would be saying Bin Laden gives money to Dems. Or, are the Dems getting funding from terrorist.

[Obamanaut]

84. The groups listed in the OP also gave to the Dems, see post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9371883&mesg_id=9375145 55, slightly above.

[Chisox08]

88. I should have posted if they gave more to the Dems than they gave to the Repukes

[Divine Discontent]

82. kick... for TRUTH!

[MaeScott]

90. Kicked. Excellent. nt

[SpiralHawk]

91. Republicons have strange bedfellows

Why can't they just honor America and Americans for a change?