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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 07:07 PM
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"It is now obvious that Thomas committed perjury" by Robert Parry
Edited on Sat Oct-23-10 07:18 PM by kpete
A Perjurer on the US Supreme Court

By Robert Parry
October 23, 2010

In late 1998, when the Republican-controlled House of Representatives voted to impeach President Bill Clinton for lying under oath about a sexual affair, many on the Right insisted that the issue wasn’t the sex but the perjury. They are now confronted with a parallel case in which U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas quite clearly perjured himself to get his seat on the bench.

On Friday, former federal prosecutor Lillian McEwen, one of Thomas’s girlfriends in the 1980s, broke a long silence and confirmed that Thomas did engage in sexual harassment of women at work and did discuss pornography in the way that Anita Hill and other women described to the Senate during Thomas’s confirmation hearings in 1991.

During those hearings, Thomas angrily denied the allegations, calling them “a high-tech lynching.” Simultaneously, his right-wing allies mounted an aggressive campaign to destroy the credibility of Hill and other accusers.

The tactics worked. Thomas narrowly won Senate confirmation to the U.S. Supreme Court, where he has remained a reliable vote for every right-wing position that the justices consider.

However, it is now obvious that Thomas committed perjury as a necessary element of gaining his seat as one of nine justices on the Supreme Court – and only its second African-American. Though perjury before Congress is a felony, the Right appears to have suddenly lost its enthusiasm for demanding impeachment as the proper remedy for high officials caught lying under oath.

.............

More:
http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/10/massive_stretches_of_weathered.html
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 07:11 PM
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1. Wrong link. nt
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 10:23 PM
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32. here's the correct one, I think:
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 11:40 PM
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41. Thanks, quite a lot in there. nt
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 12:05 AM
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48. From Coke cans to Koch brothers.... What's not to like?


Stop picking on Republican Supreme Court justices.


The poor fellas are ethically challenged.......


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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 12:08 AM
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49. They think they are untouchable.Thomas especially. Would do anything to get on the court and did.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 12:12 AM
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50. Ginny Thomas is a hateful political hack using her position to get donations from those with cases b
before the court. Impeachment would send a clear message to the others like Roberts and Scalia who also lied. Corporate hacks. Not one decision for the people just corporations and the wealthy. They think their Kings...not part of our democracy but above it.
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Can of Whoop-ass Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 01:19 PM
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100. The GOP - Party of Eddie Haskell.
Meg Whitman, Carly Fiorina, Pete Wilson, Ronald Reagan and Satan.
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 04:39 PM
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104. David Brock
Wrote Blinded by the RIght . In it he wrote that he had lied in his previous book The Real Anita Hill, because he was FUNDED by the RW. Our little library ( 1,200 souls in town) bought it & I read it.
I listened to the entire b PBC broad cast of the Hill Thomas hearings back in 1991 along with my daughter & the plumber....who stayed all afternoon but only charged for the time he spent installing a new sink!
I could tell it was slanted in favor of Thomas. I identified Senators to watch out for Hatch, misogynist, Thurmond, also misogynist & couldn't speak understandable English. All the kids in my HS class spoke with good diction, how is it that a SENATOR WHOSE JOB IS TO COMMUNICATE couldn't take a few elocution classes?
So I have been reving up for this moment for 10 years, nice to have company finally!
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 07:12 PM
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2. I'm glad it's now obvious
it's ALWAYS been obvious to me that Clarence Thomas was guilty of that behavior. And it underscores the fact that the right wing really will do anything to gain power. Really. Will. Do. Anything.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 07:16 PM
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3. I always believed Anita Hill 100%. That man just set my radar off in a bad way
from Day One. It's like he had a sign hanging around his necK that said "I lie ALL the time".
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 07:17 PM
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4. me too
his fake outrage and moral superiority were a dead giveaway.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 08:01 AM
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66. I distinctly remember
the first time I saw clarence...on TV he was being paraded to the various Senators' offices. As he was walking down the halls of the Senate, he looked into the camera and his eyes were pure evil. I was totally creeped out and knew he was nothing but hateful slime.

And when Anita came forward, I thought we had been saved of his lunacy. I still harbor bad feelings toward Biden for his handling of this situation. Thomas played the race card and now 19 years later after way too many Supreme Court decisions decided for the Wackos of this country, it is time TO IMPEACH THIS WASTE OF HUMAN FLESH.

And if his first wife is still alive, I bet she can tell true horrors about this man. I'm sure he is paying her to keep quiet.

IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH!
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 08:43 AM
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69. Repub LIE icans. There have to be some that tell the truth. 5%?
Edited on Sun Oct-24-10 08:48 AM by peacetalksforall
Tobacco ceo's. They are one of the first of lying men I think of when I think of their under oath lies and as each day I hear of more death, illness, and the horrific expense of smoking.

Teabagger organizers, funders, and the red gullible drinkers.

Always flipping the truth.

Next, Thomas's lies ... were Obama's fault, which they will call the government's fault, but they really mean Obama first and libruls everywhere.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 12:44 PM
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95. Long Dong Silver did it for me. Women rarely watched porn then, and mostly heard details like that
from the men who did at the time that Hill was working with Thomas. People forget that back in the 70s to early 80s, porn videos were like 'stash' you kept hidden. By mid to late 80s, people and mainstream video stores became far more open about it.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 07:23 PM
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8. +1
Never a shadow of a doubt.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 08:40 PM
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21. Agreed. I love Robert Parry, but it was always obvious.
Perhaps you have to be a woman to pick up the pervdar.

the correct link: http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/102310.html
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 12:58 AM
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52. Nope
I remember those hearings like yesterday. He made my skin crawl. He also looked like a twitchy, cornered rat lying his ass off. His confirmation is a massive stain on Joe Biden's legacy.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 10:38 AM
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78. Yeah, you're right. Anybody healthy could pick it up.
So what was Biden's problem?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 09:00 PM
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22. indeed.
spot on.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 10:21 PM
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31. Orrin Hatch has always now and then...
been the ringleader in this and other evildoings..
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caseymoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 10:51 PM
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33. It was also a matter of getting an anti-choice judge on the bench.

That complicated the whole thing. The anti-choicers were more willing to believe there had been a conspiracy to knock Thomas down for that reason. The kind of thing that happened at the Thomas hearing, following Bork, had been unprecedented, so they were too shocked and suspicious to see what was truly happening.
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 03:41 AM
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59. Same here.
Unfortunately, the whole tawdry episode also underscored the fact that at least some Dems were also willing to discount the testimony of Hill and the others. Biden really disappointed me then. And unpleasantly surprised me, as well.

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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 06:21 AM
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64. This was the main reason I didn't vote for Biden in the primary.
I've held a political grudge against him for that confirmation hearing all these years.
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Stargleamer Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 12:27 PM
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93. Me too. . .
He bent over backwards to accomodate Thomas. No testimony was allowed concerning his porn usage.
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #2
111. I Always Thought
he was guilty as well. The behavior described was all too classic. Plus, there was no reason for her to make it up and put herself through that.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 07:18 PM
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5. To some of us it was obvious back THEN.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 07:30 PM
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13. Ditto
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 07:18 PM
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6. So did Roberts and Alito
Didn't they say they weren't going to be activist judges?
Well they sure changed law in favor of the corporations
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 07:23 PM
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7. it's called LYING
eom
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 10:04 PM
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27. Yes they did.
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dark forest Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 07:24 PM
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9. I don't want to rain on your
parade.

And, naturally, I think it's true. Bur it still seems to me to be a "he said; she said".

Anyway, I doubt there will be any impeachment
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 07:30 PM
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14. No -- because there are witnesses who worked at EEOC who support Hill's charges ....
Edited on Sat Oct-23-10 07:33 PM by defendandprotect
and who observed Thomas and his comments over a long period of time.

PLUS Thomas' own friends identified him as "a lover of hard core porn" --

and more -- that he frequently spoke about the porn he had seen -- in

great detail. Evidently, he was also a fan when he was at Yale of the

"stand in a booth" porn.

Additionally, the Hearings -- which hopefully the public will see one day FULLY

aired on TV -- show a monstrous attack on Prof. Hill -- and a monstorous betrayal

of her -- her legal team and her supporters who were all waiting for the presentation

of an additional 12 witnesses and more who would testify that Thomas' frequently made

crude sexual comments to women at the EEOC. Rather, in direct opposition to what he

had promised the public -- and Prof. Hill's layers -- Sen. Biden shut down the hearing

at 4am WITHOUT calling Prof. Hill's witnesses.

Also the many references to porn movies he had seen evidently left a long train of

evidence which Congress refused to subpeona.


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dark forest Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 11:43 PM
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43. wow.
Looking at the replies, I guess that I've been corrected
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 07:17 AM
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65. Biden shut it down.....
....why am i not surprised?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #65
85. Terrific book on this called "Strange Justice" ...
Edited on Sun Oct-24-10 11:20 AM by defendandprotect
your library might have it --

I watched the hearings -- and coincidentally -- what turned out to be the final "witness"

was a young AA male who was there to support the contention that Prof. Hill was "nutty and

slutty" as she was being presented by the right wing Senators and David Brock at the time --

Brock later wrote a "tell all" book re the right wing and I think he heads up one of the

media watching groups now ....

This young man's testimony went on for hours all based on the contention that Prof. Hill had

approached him in a meeting first on the street where one of them had been jogging, I think.

And in another where she had called him. As his testimony wrapped up it was obvious that

absolutely NOTHING had happened -- and the witness finally revealed that he couldn't recall

if Prof. Hill had called him -- OR IF HE HAD CALLED HER!!

We all later came to know this witness .... it was Armstrong Williams!



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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 12:17 PM
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91. john doggett, not williams, and doggett is a bigger ahole than even williams, if that's possible
read this article:

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-10-15/news/mn-600_1_witness-john-doggett

At times, as one questioner noted, he appeared to be psychoanalyzing Hill and that he concluded she had sexual fantasies based on one brief exchange at a party.

"John came across the way he is," said Chicago consultant James Lowry, who has known Doggett professionally for more than 10 years. "It bordered on cocky, some people would say pompous. That's the way he is privately and publicly.

"John thinks he's got a lot to say," said Lowry, who has been active with Doggett in Harvard Business School alumni activities and who once hired Doggett to work on a project. "There are very few subjects John can't talk about and won't talk about, expansively."

Arthur Margolis, a Los Angeles attorney who worked with Doggett at the California Bar Assn. in the 1970s, said: "His ego tends to overpower his judgment." Margolis said that he could not recall any specific examples.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 12:54 PM
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97. Thank you -- John Doggett -- NOT Williams --
Edited on Sun Oct-24-10 01:12 PM by defendandprotect
Armstrong Williams, who was once an aide to Clarence Thomas ...

Apologies --

Still looking for another post where I said that!!





BREAKING: Tribune Fires Armstrong Williams

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/7/215918/3342
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 12:55 PM
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98. Correction ... John Doggett -- NOT Williams --
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 07:42 PM
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17. My cousin worked for him at EEOC.
She wrote a letter to the Judiciary Committee describing his behavior. It was all ignored.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 09:02 PM
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23. more like "many women and men said." And Thomas lied. n/t
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caseymoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 10:56 PM
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34. Umm, more like he said, she said, she said, she said and she said.

It's difficult one it's one word against another, and the Thomas hearings looked superficially like that. But once the behavior is collaborated, not once, but four times over?

I sadly doubt there will be any impeachment, either, but not for the reasons you think.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. Hell, even Arlen Spector
knew Clarence was lying his fucking ass off...

Nobody with a brain thought he wasn't...
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caseymoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 12:08 PM
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90. My entire family thought he wasn't.

That is to say my father, my brothers . . . the difference being, and they aren't unintelligent people, but they were all anti-choice. They were inclined to believe there was a conspiracy to sink the Thomas nomination because they had also been fed a larger lie that there was an evil conspiracy to "kill babies" by a source they considered trustworthy: the Catholic Church. And since they are obligated to keep their faith, belief in both conspiracies becomes necessary.

I'm not saying the Catholic Church is the root of all evil, no, then I would be doing the same thing, but that you cannot ignore the influence of anti-Choicers on this. Behind that, you can't ignore the influence of revisionist Christianity.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 05:02 PM
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106. He pulled the race card...and it imtimidated even the Dems. n/t
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #9
45. You would be right if only Anitia Hill had been involved
One case is a possible misunderstanting. Four are a pattern.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 05:43 AM
Response to Reply #9
61. The porn-shop owner might know, also.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #9
72. No, it's more like "he said; a shitload of other people, many of whom
would be negatively affected by talking, said."

There are enough witnesses that if deposed, assuming they were not ALL lying under oath, there is no way he could avoid impeachment. Several people speaking of their own knowledge, many more speaking of second-hand knowledge, none of whom have anything to gain, many of whom are themselves conservative Republicans - like Hill.

He said, she said?
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #9
76. Have you heard of the book being written corroborating Anita's testimony?
I believe Andrea Wright is writing a book now confirming what Anita testified. She worked with Thomas too.

And his ex-girlfriend apparently is writing a book as well.

"The Clarence I know was certainly capable not only of doing the things that Anita Hill said he did, but it would be totally consistent with the way he lived his personal life then," says Lillian McEwen, a former Senate judiciary panel lawyer."

http://www.newser.com/story/103384/clarence-thomass-ex-lillian-mcewen-says-anita-hill-got-it-right.html
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dark forest Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #76
89. I'll have
to take a look at it:)
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #9
92. I don't want to rain on your
personal perceptions, but I've always suspected those who promote that 'he said, she said' meme are likely to be minimizing or denying some niggling discomfort over a similar incident...
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 07:25 PM
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10. As obvious as it was that the Senate didn't want to know.
Rot in Hell everyone who voted to approve him.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 08:07 AM
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67. Yes....rot in hell.
Isn't it amazing how 'da boyz' stick together like Super Glue. As Shirley Chisholm used to say, 'Men are men.'

If this isn't a clear cut case that shows to even the most willfully ignorant of sexists how Patriarchy operates in this country, then they are simply doomed to a life of their dumb heads stuck up their dirty assholes.

Impeach this hateful 'justice' in the name of true Justice. He's a damn sexually perverted sadist.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #67
107. 'da boyz' stick together.....You got that right.....n/t
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 11:28 AM
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87. I'll go along with THAT wish!
May Thomas, and all who shuttled him into his robes, sizzle over coals for eternity! :grr:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 07:25 PM
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11. Thomas' personal friends described him as "lover of hard core porn" ... the stand in a booth kind!!
Edited on Sat Oct-23-10 07:26 PM by defendandprotect
They all talked about how he liked to talk constantly about porn, as well --

and how crude his personal comments were .....

Here's one --

"drink from my ass with a straw" --

Response: Yep, that sounds just like (my friend) Clarence Thomas!

And this is the man we have sitting on the court making decisions that effect

all of our lives!!

YIKES!!



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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #11
29. correct about the friends, but I'm almost positive, his oft-repeated refrain was actually
"suck my ass with a straw!"

that phrase has stuck with me ever since I read Mayer and Abramson's book, Strange Justice. I used to regale my friends with that nugget of Thomas' treasure trove of aphorisms, so I'm pretty sure that was what he said

either way, what can you say about somebody who used to go around spouting that witticism more than infrequently?
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 11:40 PM
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42. Pretty much the same thing he say's to the American people with every one of his votes. nt
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 05:45 AM
Response to Reply #29
62. What's more than "revolting"?
Edited on Sun Oct-24-10 05:46 AM by WinkyDink
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #29
86. Yes -- hard to get out of your mind -- not that I'm sure we're eager to share the shock....
but people here should know --

What was so amazing was that so many people could testify to the unsuitability of this

man and yet the power of the Bush's put him on the court --

Sadly with the help of Biden --

And, one day, I hope those hearings will be replayed with the emphasis on the HAMMER

OF WITCHES-like attack on Prof. Hill.

Hatch, Simpson, Specter -- now a member of our Democratic Party -- !!

ALL of these men should have been tossed out of government for the manner in which they

conducted themselves!!!


Thanks for keeping the record straight!

:)

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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 07:28 PM
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12. opening up another spot on SCOTUS would be huge
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 01:03 PM
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99. That would require Democrats getting a spine: to believe in and fight for our side, so forget it.
...with a couple of exceptions, of course.

If/when the Republicans take the house, the day after they're in they will impeach Obama for (whatever) as they will vote 100% together as they believe in fighting for their side, even in a losing battle.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 07:33 PM
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15. I always believed her, having experienced similar shit a lot
But most women didn't talk about it. Mostly because that chauvinist (remember that word?) behavior was taken for granted and excused by a world run by men.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 07:34 PM
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16. Most of the women in the world identified with what Prof. Hill was saying ...!!
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 07:42 PM
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18. This Democratic congress does not have the guts to do the
right thing. Lying under oath to congress could be considered treason.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 08:07 PM
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19. Nothing will happen
If the GOP takes over the House, clearly there will be no impeachment of Thomas.

And if the Democrats remain in control, same result.
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 08:36 PM
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20. a republican Congress will not impeach him, so--
we can either vote dem until they do or embarrass the heck out of them. Bring all the witnesses out and have them give interviews like crazy, especially on the View and get them spots everywhere.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 09:02 PM
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24. A Democratic Congress will never impeach him either. Many Democrats supported his appointment. nm
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 02:18 AM
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54. It has nothing to do with Democrats...
Even if impeached, Thomas would still need 67 Senate votes against him to remove him from office. And there's no way a) any Republican -- let alone a number of them -- would vote to remove a reliable conservative vote on the court so that Obama could name his replacement, or b) that the Democrats, even with the largest of landslides this election and next, would ever get 67 Senate seats.

The only way an officeholder can be impeached and convicted is if he or she is no longer vital to his or her own party. A lockstep Supreme Court justice will never fall into that category.

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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 11:12 AM
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83. It has nothing to do with Republicans either. That was my point.
Even with 67 Democrats in the Senate they wouldnt, IMO, impeach.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 11:48 PM
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44. Nah, Daryl Issa will be banging the gavel down on impeachment
Edited on Sat Oct-23-10 11:52 PM by WCGreen
hearings for president Obama before he delivers the State of the Union Address...
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 09:17 PM
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25. and this is the BEST black conservative
bush 1 could find.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 09:53 PM
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 10:14 AM
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75. No, he was not the best person, nor the best conservative, nor the best black conservative...
Edited on Sun Oct-24-10 10:27 AM by JHB
...he was the best black conservative with reliable but obfuscatable views on "hot button" issues like abortion.
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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 10:12 PM
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28. What are we going to tell the children?
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AdHocSolver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 10:19 PM
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30. In the corporate-bureaucratic world, managers frequently hire and promote...
...those of low ability or dubious backgrounds, so that their subordinates will be utterly dependent on the boss to keep their jobs.

At the same time, such subordinates would have a difficult time finding a job elsewhere at a similar level in the pecking order and pay scale.

The boss is assured of total obedience and loyalty to the boss no matter how stupid and incompetent (not to mention nefarious) the boss may be.

This observation explains why, in many bureaucracies, it seems that the dregs frequently rises to the top.



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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 11:02 PM
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35. But we can't impeach Thomas!
If so, we'd lose one of our more outspoken Justices!!

:sarcasm:

(Has he ever said anything during oral arguments?)
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 11:05 PM
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36. Clarence Thomas
the Buster Keaton of SCOTUS... :rofl:
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 11:23 PM
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39. No worries. Fat Tony always tells him how to rule. n/t
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 11:27 PM
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40. Hey, don't be insulting Buster Keaton!
He was a great guy!
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 12:15 AM
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51. Definitely...
a great stage and acting career from 1899 - 1966!!!

And a great talent...

I was using the juxtaposition of two opposites to demonstrate how lame Thomas is...

A time-honored comedic technique... :hi:
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lobodons Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 11:15 PM
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38. Shame on Ms. McEwen!!
The blood of all Iraqi innocents killed by Bush is on her head for not coming clean earlier.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 04:59 PM
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105. And you figure that how?
If it hadn't been Thomas, it would have been someone else--someone who my money says would have voted the same in 2000 as Thomas.

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Mosaic Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 11:55 PM
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46. "perjury before Congress is a felony"
I don't give a damn what the so called right wants. If we have the majority get rid of him and get someone whose politics more match a center/left nation. It's time to move this country back to the left mainstream and hopefully keep the "right" and its lying hypocrites the minority it is.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 11:57 PM
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47. If he were a Democrat, the Reeps would be going for him like pitbulls.
Why do I get the feeling that my own party will act more like lapdogs?

Seriously, I hate the Republicans for their agendas, but they certainly know how to go after the things that they want. I wish our party had a bit more of that.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 08:12 AM
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68. Some guy told me the
other day: 'When the Democrats go to a fight, they take a clipboard and pen.' It's so true. Why? Because in the back of their minds, they know they have to keep the wealthy corporations happy....so even when they do throw a little hissy fit, it's just for show...they have no intention of backing it up with ACTIONS.

Unless We, The People throw a HUGE hissy fit, nothing will be done about Thomas. He is a sexual deviant.

Let's find his first wife...I'm sure she has horror stories.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 10:30 AM
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77. And they wonder why there's an "enthusiasm gap".
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 03:41 PM
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102. damn -- this is so true.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 06:29 PM
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109. I know....
I think it has something to do with the Dunning-Kruger Syndrome...I think I have the spelling correct. Smart people will doubt their knowledge when presented with someone who is ABSOLUTELY SURE (that he is so stupid that he doesn't know how stupid he is) of themselves....like the Fundies and the Bullies.

I'll fight with the best of them. And I yell really loudly.

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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 01:25 AM
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53. Dang! This country needs a double standard!


Clarence Thomas is INNOCENT because he loved the nuns at his school!


But Bill Clinton lied about Monica Lewinsky's dress!




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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 02:30 AM
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55. k & r
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macten Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 02:31 AM
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56. wow,
this is crazy, nice link
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 03:05 AM
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57. k&r
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 03:17 AM
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58. Clarence T. = typical republicon
full of BS, fast and loose with lies...

Why did the republicons knowingly install and sexual harasser and liar on America's Supreme Court?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 05:42 AM
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60. He has, I wager, powerful men in his corner. Fuhgeddaboutit.
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 06:08 AM
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63. So let me see;
If there were a trial, somewhere, somehow then ultimately it would end up in SCOTUS. DOH!
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 09:01 AM
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70. The truth is, Anita Hill was the victim of a high tech lynching.
She has acted with integrity and spoken truth, and was publicly vilified and mocked. This is a stark example of minority women's place in politics and the world. No credibility was attributed to her personal and real experience.

Clarence Thomas is unconscionably sexist. And he has a seat on the highest court of the land. Should he be impeached? He should never have been confirmed. But here we are.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 09:04 AM
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71. dingdingding We have a winner!
She was destroyed by the full weight of the repub/media nexus, with no internet mitigation.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 12:33 PM
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94. she was almost as badly served by the dems (led by Biden, judiciary chair), who REFUSED to do
a thing to protect her, chief among which was to call ANY corroborating witnesses

sometimes Nader is right; this is one of the most glaring examples
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 10:09 AM
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73. +1 on that
It was Hill who was the victim, of both Thomas & the media lynching
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susu369 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 07:11 PM
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110. Amazing how projection works without fail
*nt*
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 10:10 AM
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74. Impeach him & replace him with Goodwin Liu
ok, that would be too much to ask...
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The Uncola Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 10:40 AM
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79. Great.. So where are the Articles of ...
.. Impeachment and who will file them? Will the Obama Adm. and the DLC stand with those that take on this VERY difficult battle? Or will we watch yet another capitulation based on "the spirit of bipartisanship?" Quite frankly, I have serious doubts that ANYTHING will even be tried, let alone accomplished. Sorry to have to say, I don't buy that Dems will do much of anything about anything until I see it done. I would love to be proven wrong.
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 10:47 AM
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80. “a high-tech lynching.” - Then, we were pretty sure who
was lying and not. Any doubt is now gone.

Lying through his teeth and as a black man who DID harass his subordinate to use the word "lynch" given this countries violent history to African Americans is really, really, sad.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 10:51 AM
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81. If the Democrats don't grab this and run with it
I will probably end up changing my party affiliation.

There can be no more clear evidence that the Democratic party is totally complicit in the corporatist take over of this country. Those who enabled Thomas's confirmation (Biden) are complicit in every pro-corporatist judgement that he has contributed to. They are complicit in Gore v Bush and as such are complicit in all of Bush's crimes against this country and against humanity.

We know what the Republicans would do if handed an opportunity like this. If the Democrats don't do the same, then as far as I am concerned, they are showing their true colors and true loyalties, and I am finished with them.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 11:18 AM
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84. Its a distraction,
I feel your anger though. I will never get over it, it being the way Anita Hill was treated and Democrats failing to keep this buffoon off the court.
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jerseyjack Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 11:02 AM
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82. This is just wanking...
Yes, Thomas and Edwards should be impeached and removed. But if you believe this is gonna happen with the needed Repub. votes, you're wasting your time.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 11:50 AM
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88. What do you think the Republicans would do if the shoe was on the other foot?
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 12:54 PM
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96. I'm at least as furious as you. I followed this pretty closely at the time, and I'll NEVER
Edited on Sun Oct-24-10 12:58 PM by Gabi Hayes
get over Biden's venal cowardice, as well as that of my own senator at the time, "the Pal," Al Dixon, a so-called moderate dem, who lost his senate seat over his vote for Thomas, btw.

very sadly, he's right, though. nothing at all will come of this. it's already a dead issue. I didn't see it discussed at all today, as I made the rounds (albeit briefly) of the gasbag shows. media don't want to revisit yet another example of the serial abrogation of their duties to the public, while in the service of the corporations that pad their wallets

Dems who voted for Thomas

Jim Exon of Nebraska
Charles Robb of VA
Wyche Fowler of GA
Richard C. Shelby of Alabama
Dennis DeConcini of Arizona
Sam Nunn of Georgia
Alan J. Dixon of Illinois
David L. Boren of Oklahoma
John B. Breaux of Louisiana
Ernest F. Hollings of South Carolina
J. Bennett Johnston of Louisiana.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 02:05 PM
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101. It's just "wanking" if nothing is done. And nothing ever gets done if it's always dismissed as
Edited on Sun Oct-24-10 02:07 PM by Raster
..."just wanking."

Thomas is a liar, a perjurer and probably the least mental capable of anyone that has ever sat on the SCOTUS. And to add insult to injury, Thomas was appointed to fill the vacancy left by Justice Thurgood Marshall, a venerable African-American justice. Thomas was and is not fit to shine Marshall's shoes, much less fill them.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 03:59 PM
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103. Kick
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 05:15 PM
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108. When it comes down to it, that's not evidence that he lied
about Anita Hill. It's still she said vs. he said, with a weaker case, since this is a different woman.

Not enough for an impeachment.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 10:12 PM
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112. eyewitness testimony and video rental records showing Thomas’ interest in and use of pornography


According to Mayer and Abramson, soon after Thomas was sworn in, three reporters for The Washington Post “burst into the newsroom almost simultaneously with information confirming that Thomas’ involvement with pornography far exceeded what the public had been led to believe.”<45> These reporters had eyewitness testimony and video rental records showing Thomas’ interest in and use of pornography.<46> However, according to Jeffrey Toobin, because Thomas was already sworn in by the time the video store evidence emerged, the Washington Post dropped the story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Thomas_Supreme_Court_nomination


Why spike the story? No good reason.

News is what somebody somewhere wants to suppress; all the rest is advertising. Lord Northcliffe

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113. Kick
:kick:
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