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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 10:50 PM
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••• Joe Miller makes partial admission on CNN in damage control mode, but got fired later anyway •••



http://www.adn.com/2010/10/18/1507733/miller-admits-borough-disciplined.html

Don't take this article too seriously. Among its many sources are some nobody named Jim Whitaker, who is only the former Fairbanks North Star Borough mayor. Just him and some nobody named Rex Miller, who just happens to be Joe Miller's father, just.

Sheesh. Just because the librul media is attacking the INVIOLATE RIGHT WING is no reason to vote for some commie Democrat!

Okay. Here's the deal. Say you don't like somebody and there are some computers in your office you want to use to stack an online poll about that person when the people whose computers they belong to are out to lunch. And who cares about THEIR political choices?

Like, you do that sort of thing all the time, right?

And then you tamper with the computers so the people to whom they belong won't know.

Sort of like Diebold.

It's not as if the people getting their votes stolen don't deserve it. So who cares?

And just because those computers belong to other people doesn't matter. After all, private property ONLY belongs to fascists and rich people. Didn't you know that?

It's no big deal. EVERYBODY stacks computerized voting nowadays so the best thing is just to admit - gallantly say vaguely on CNN that you did something wrong without saying exactly what - say it was no big deal, you only did it on your lunch hour so it's not as if you were really doing something wrong on office time, and move on. Then, later, after admitting next to nothing, say you already apologized.

That's all Joe Miller did. To some nobody, the chairman of the State Republican party, Randy Ruedrich just. It's no big deal. Randy Ruedrich just wasn't enough of a Tea Party fascist militia type. So Miller had his votes rigged fair and square.

And as for being disciplined, Miller got reprimanded and docked pay, but he didn't get fired for that. Miller left a year and a half later. Just before he was due to be fired for SOMETHING ELSE.

So his leaving the job was COMPLETELY UNRELATED to the incident in question!

Can't we get back to the issues? This whole matter is such a waste of time. This time should be spent discussing the ISSUES - IMPORTANT issues such as that Democrats are a bunch of commie libruls you shouldn't vote for!

So the whole thing is no big deal. A judge just said Miller had to disclose his employment records, but the judge said he didn't have to until Tuesday, so he could appeal.

http://www.adn.com/2010/10/23/1515937/judge-orders-miller-documents.html#ixzz13EZab6s9

Again, it's no big deal and will all be swept under the rug before the election.

Miller is above the law. So leave him alone.

And Lisa Murkowski got caught making false claims about who endorsed her.

http://www.themudflats.net/2010/10/22/lisa-liar-pants-on-fire-murkowski-makes-false-claims-about-endorsements/

Again. This is all no big deal. The political choices of OTHER people were MEANT to be tampered with. It's not as if we have a democracy or something. If EVERYBODY got to decide political things there would be squabbling and chaos and anarchy. Much better if people are TOLD who they are supposed to support and MADE to support that person whether they like it or not. SIMPLE!

Like, you are GOING to vote Republican whether you like it or not!

Like, if you don't like Miller, vote for Murkowski!

Vote for either of the two Republicans in the Alaska Senate race.

NOT DEMOCRAT SCOTT McADAMS! Your choice has already been made for you --- you can vote for any Republican you want!!!!!! Just like in the Soviet Union they used to say you can vote for any party member you want! So simple!

Election rigging is the American way so just go along and live with it.....

Remember, back in the good old days when King George of England wouldn't let the American colonists have democracy, things were so much more ORDERLY.

Now THIS is the way to run a democracy ---

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBrDzZCOQtI

Now THAT'S how to run an election!

So in Alaska, vote Republican. There are TWO Republicans running so you can vote for either one..........









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katanalori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 11:04 PM
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1. UH, he didn't even HAVE a lunch hour

Joe lied again! read all about it. from comment section at ADN-


More on Miller's admission of politicking on borough time
Jill Burke | Oct 22, 2010
As issues remain about what was going through Senate candidate Joe Miller's mind when he surreptitiously accessed his coworkers' computers and did something from them to try to influence state politics -- and why he went to such great lengths for something he himself has characterized as "petty" -- a new question has come up. Did he fudge the truth in an interview this week on CNN?

When CNN host John King asked Miller on Monday if it was fair for the public "to look at your history as a taxpayer-paid attorney, anything and everything you did, while you were on a public payroll as a public servant," Miller responded: "Well, the event in question is something that happened on my time off. So it was during the lunch hour. So, frankly, there is not a direct correlation to that."

But Miller didn't have a lunch hour.

Miller's routine at the Fairbanks North Star Borough, where he worked as a part-time attorney, was to work the afternoon shift, from about 2 p.m. to 6 p.m., said Sallie Stuvek, the borough's human resources director.

"We don't provide lunch hours unless somebody works five or more hours per day," she said.

A review of Miller's e-mail traffic, obtained by Alaska Dispatch, reinforces Stuvek's assessment of Miller's schedule. Most outgoing e-mails sent from his borough e-mail account routinely occured in the afternoon.

At the time the computer incident took place, Miller and another part-time attorney shared an office and the other attorney worked a morning shift, from 8 a.m. to noon, Stuvek said. The goal was to avoid staff overlapping hours. From noon to 1 p.m., most of the legal department is out for lunch and offices are locked, she said.

Stuvek also said that if the attorneys work outside their usual shift, they are asked to let their supervisor know.

On March 12, 2008 -- the date in question -- Miller sent an e-mail to a colleague in the legal department saying he would be in before lunch. It was time-stamped 10:07 a.m. and originated from an e-mail address affiliated with his private law firm.

Records already released relating to Miller's personnel file show the borough was concerned about some issue that same day. That something was significant enough that the borough would later ask its information technology expert to pull Web activity reports on four employees covering the time period beginning less than an hour and a half after Miller said he'd be in early.

According to the borough, it is true that the computer use would have happened outside of Miller's regularly scheduled paid shift.

Why would Miller come in to work early only to take a lunch break? (The first e-mail sent from his borough e-mail account March 12 doesn't occur until 12:41 p.m..) Why couldn't he have worked on the political activities from the non-borough computer at which he was presumably working earlier in the day? What, exactly, did he do? How far was he willing to go -- breaking borough ethics policies -- to get what he wanted in a heated political battle? If it's truly not a big deal, why not just let Alaskans know about it and allow them to decide for themselves what, if anything, it means?

The Miller campaign didn't respond to questions.

In the CNN interview, Miller suggested Alaskans don't need to know and that the media's quest for answers is a distraction to the issues of this election.

"This is an attempt, again, to take away from the voters an opportunity to see where we're at as a state, an opportunity to take a choice that's not based on the past, which is the Scott McAdams-Lisa Murkowski path, but one that's designed to look at these petty issues and say, that really is what matters to voters," Miller told King. "And I don't think it's fair to Alaskans."

Read more: http://www.adn.com/2010/10/23/1515937/judge-orders-miller-documents.html#disqus_thread#ixzz13F3WUv3Z


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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 11:22 PM
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2. Working on his lunch hour? Now that IS dedication.....


(So much fun to think like a Republican..)


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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 12:31 AM
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8. You and I have talked about this before.
This whole Randy Ruedrich thing is SO tied up with Sarah Palin. It was Sarah Palin (with Joe Miller's help, I'm sure) who got Randy Ruedrich sanctioned and fined $12,000 for doing party business on state time back in the '00s. They were both members of the Alaska Oil & Gas Commission and Sarah was trying to build her bona fides as a corruption-buster. It's all part of the Alaska Republican Party power struggle, the Murkowskis versus the Palins. Remember, Sarah wanted the job that Frank Murkowski gave to his daughter Lisa. Frank came back to Alaska and became one of the most unpopular governors in the country, either #49 or #50. In rides Sarah to expose the corruption of Randy Ruedrich and Republican Party establishment. This was also the time of the FBI Corrupt Bastards Club investigations and the Ted Stevens and Don Young investigations. Sarah used all this to her advantage to gain her popularity in Alaska. We were sick of the corruption, so we let our guard down, and she steamrolled us.

Now here's Sarah trying to be somebody on the national stage, trying to put her henchman, Joe Miller, into the US Senate position, taking out her old nemesis Lisa Murkowski. They actually pulled it off in the primary, much to everyone's shock, and Lisa is furious about it. When you see her now, she just seems angry and sometimes almost manic. Her campaign is based on fear. Terrible things will happen to us if we lose her seniority, she's always working for Alaskans, she loves Native people and feels their pain, blah, blah, blah, but we've heard it all before, and she always votes with Mitch McConnell, she's a climber and will do whatever he says, so there's really no difference between the two candidates, other than Lisa isn't batshit crazy. She's manipulative as hell, though. All this fear-mongering her people put out about Joe Miller is getting old. She's been complicit in the debacle of the last eight years, voting almost in lockstep with the Party of No since 2008, so she can't really brag.

I think the best revenge for Alaskans would be to put this whole messy feud to bed once and for all and put Scott McAdams in the Senate. We still have to deal with Sarah, of course, but it would take the victory away from her completely. They ALL lose. The Murkowskis are gone, the Palins have been denied a victory, and Alaskans can finally get some real representation.

I like to think about that.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 12:09 AM
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6. I LOVE Jill Burke.
She's one of the best investigative reporters we have in Alaska, in my opinion, and I tell her so whenever I run into her. That girl is TENACIOUS.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 11:33 PM
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3. I am a republican ................ Vote for me
that is all you need to know ..........nothing to see here
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-10 11:46 PM
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4. Exactly. It is FORBIDDEN to vote Democratic in Alaska.........



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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 12:04 AM
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5. Murkowski's people are phoning folks now
and asking them if they knos that Lisa Murkowski is running against Joe Miller -- no mention of Scott McAdams at all. There is so much hanky-panky going on up here, it isn't even funny anymore. If we don't elect Scott outright, we won't have a second senator for MONTHS.

The good news is that I've noticed at the ADN website that some Murkowski supporters are starting to swing back to Scott following Lisa's little fake endorsement fiasco. But I'm very, very bothered by the Division of Elections' decision to post the names of write-ins at the polling stations. Ths has never been done before. See http://www.themudflats.net/2010/10/23/voices-from-the-flats-brad-friedman/

And we're still getting bombarded with "A vote for Scott McAdams is a vote for Joe Miller." I keep saying "A vote for Scott McAdams is a vote for Scott McAdams, numbnuts." (Well, I leave off the numbnuts part.)

Interesting times.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 12:22 AM
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7. Alaska Senator Ernest Gruening ran for reelection in 1968 as a write-in. His how-to ad here:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewHsDLgQ9h0&feature=player_embedded


Um, he lost.


So remember. Vote for write-in Murkowski.



That's really going to work........


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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 12:31 AM
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9. While Miller is imploding, McAdams is now only 4 points behind Murkowski ---


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130677336


So forget it. McAdams can't win.

Better vote for the write-in. After all, fussing over things like chads with Miller promising to contest every write-in vote is sure going to work.


Alaska needs to be the new Florida......


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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 12:44 AM
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10. McAdams is such a clear choice in this election,
Edited on Sun Oct-24-10 12:45 AM by Blue_In_AK
and people are seriously starting to catch on now. We do read and pay attention up here -- politics is very personal because we all know them face-to-face, the advantage of being a small-population state. Folks are getting pretty pissed off at both Lisa and Joe and I do think Scott can pull it off. He has conducted a campaign that has gained a lot of respect, staying above the fray, refusing to get sucked into these Republican battles. I've been truly impressed, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

Scott is the kind of Democrat that Alaskans like. He's pro resource development, pro jobs, but in environmentally and scientifically safe ways; he's big on renewables, phasing away from oil & gas to wind, geothermal, solar, etc. He has really good visions for how our Native communities can be more self-sufficient, giving more power to the tribes and less to the corporations. He's been working in education for several years, statewide school boards and so on. He really knows the issues that ordinary Alaskans are dealing with because he has worked and taught and volunteered with ordinary Alaskans. Lisa certainly hasn't done that. She was born with a silver spoon in her mouth and has always been privileged. Who knows what motivates Joe Miller other than Palin-style craziness.

Scott McAdams is the only choice. I'm voting my conscience on this one. If enough of us do, we just might win this thing.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 12:48 AM
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11. Wally Hickel, another one of Alaska's most popular politicians,
also lost a write-in campaign, even when he was allowed to mail out stickers to every voter in the state to use on their ballot. (That has since been outlawsd.)

I don't know what makes Lisa think she's more popular than Wally Hickel. She isn't.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 12:56 AM
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12. We should really stop picking on Alaska Republicans. After all. It's not Bristol's fault



that she had to breast feed her brother........




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioGC40_AWhs



Electing Alaska Republicans is always a good idea......



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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 01:40 AM
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14. -1
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 07:07 PM
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18. How come?



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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:12 PM
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19. Thought it was crude.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 01:05 AM
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13. In close race many Murkowski voters don't know how to write her in ---
Edited on Sun Oct-24-10 01:08 AM by breadandwine


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/43952.html



But why think about Scott McAdams?


It is FORBIDDEN to vote Democratic in Alaska........


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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-10 05:48 AM
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15. Bad news - FiveThirtyEight predicting Miller win ----
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 07:43 AM
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16. There simply isn't enough potential in Murkowski's Quixotic write-in campaign.


Lots of Alaskans still don't know how to do a write in.

And Scott McAdams is way down in the polls.


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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 12:32 PM
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17. And the anti-Miller vote is split. So Miller looks set to win on way less than 50%.



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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:22 PM
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20. I still think the polling on Miller is way, way off.
Rachel Maddow is doing her show from here in Anchorage tomorrow night. She's been out and about interviewing people apparently, so we'll see what she has to say about this election.

It ain't over til it's over.
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