Congressional Democrats tell Herr Decider: "WE SURRENDER" - WTF?!?

[derby378]

Is this true? Are the Democrats crafting a new Iraq spending bill that leaves out the most important element - the timetable for withdrawal?!?

Someone please help me out, here - I think I need some aspirin. And a shot of whiskey.

[babylonsister]

1. I'm afraid so...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3274662

[atreides1]

2. Yes it's true

So take that aspirin and make it a double!

[BobRossi]

3. Pussies all.

Nan can get her ass back in the kitchen any day now.

[acmavm]

4. So I've been reading. Hey, they're all after corporate money. Any of us

(me included) who thought that they would do the job they were sent to Washington to do was a delusional moran.

Secret trade deals, no timetables on withdrawal, amnesty for illegal immigrants, whatever. We could have all voted republican and got the same shit.

[Bluzmann57]

5. Just got an email a few minutes ago about this very subject

Call your Senators and Representatives if they are Democrats. Even if they are not Democrats, call 'em.
1-800-828-0489
1-800-459-1887
1-800-614-2803
Make sure you also tell Pelosi and Reid as well that they represent all of us, even if we don't live in their states and/or districts! We can't let them back down. We elected them, we can throw them out.

[atreides1]

7. We Can't Throw them out

If we don't get to vote for them! That's the reality.

I remember some right leaning friends of mine often referred to the French as "Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys", I guess with the Dem leadership we could adjust the term.

How about "Bush Sucking Surrender Monkeys"!!!!

[pat_k]

20. Oh yes we can. There are powerful primary challengers out there. . .

. . .for the finding. People who know the meaning of an oath. People who understand "people-power" because they see it in action. People with clout who have had enough of the beltway insanity. People that inspire and engage because they are responding to our call to run -- not the establishment's.

[peacebird]

11. Pelosi's office asked my zipcode and sent me to a recording when I called

because i'm not a constituent!!!

I called back and said MADAM SPEAKER works for ALL OF US. And that she should remember who gave her that gavel.

[derby378]

6. OK, I'm becoming furious now...

I want the name of the new bill and the current list of cosponsors. Someone please help poor ol' derby out!

:mad:

[TechBear_Seattle]

8. With a Reichstag like this, who needs arson? n/t

[abb9]

10. Democrats are not much different than Republicans

The Democrats so far has offered us little but superficial changes on the surface,but in reality they have talked tough,but as allowed just about every last one of the wannabe dictator G.W.Bush unjust illegal and criminal polices to go through.

Bush knows this,he knows there will never be any real opposition,and he also dont care,and that is why his uncontrolled arrogance just keeps going on and on.

Have we seen any REAL changes since the Dem's have been in Power? No.
They have not said anything about the 14 brand new shiny high tech bases being built in Iraq,of which a few are already completed from what I have heard?

If We have intention of leaving Iraq,why build so many bases,or why build any new bases,Reason? We have no intention of leaving until every last drop of OiL is gone,and if I know that,all of the Dem's know that.
If the Dem's were really an opposition part,Impeachment proceedings would have been well on the way Gonzo would be gone Sleaze ball Cheney and Rove would not be there issuing threats and insults.

Right now I have no confidence that the so called Dem's really want to bring an end,or are even trying hard enough to bring and end to this illegal war.

Most of the Dem's are Republicans in Democratic clothing,if they were true democrats or a opposition party in the first place,they would not have signed off of the Neocon's illegal and immoral war on innocent Iraq.
I am disgusted and disappointed that we don't have a real alternative to these two parties,which are just different sides of the same coin.

[BlameCanada12]

15. That should be a bumper sticker - Sad but oh so true.... N/T

[DefenseLawyer]

9. Pundits are almost always wrong

Yet we let a moron like Frank Luntz tell us what is right and wrong? We let a creep like Dick Morris claim he speaks for the American people? The "conventional wisdom" on this is about 2 years behind the mood of the country. People want this thing to end. Stand up. You are supporting the troops by ending this thing. Stand up. Look some kid in the eye that is about to be surged and tell him that he won't have to die in vain for a lie. And yes Frank, if he dies in Iraq it will be in vain for a lie. I know it. You know it. The people know it. We need to say it.

[derby378]

12. A new hymn for the compromisers to sing

And I hope the fallen hear the chorus up in Heaven:

Herr Decider, we surrender
All our sense of what is right
Take our taxes, take our soldiers
Send them to Iraq to fight

We surrender all
We surrender all
All our will and strength, Decider
We surrender all

We will tell poor Cindy Sheehan
And her fellow peacenik gits
All your protests, all your children,
All their deaths are not worth shit

We surrender all
We surrender all
All our will and strength, Decider
We surrender all

[pat_k]

13. Nancy's pre-emptive "off the table" surrender. . .

. . . is the only surrender the WH cares about.

As long as the Democratic caucus submits to Nancy's "off the table" edict, the bushcheney steamroller will keep rolling on.

As long as impeachment is "off the table" bush and cheney could care less about what the Dems do.

The outlaws in the WH don't care if their crimes are "exposed" when the exposure isn't followed by a bill of impeachment. They are probably happy to see the leadership cave and confirm the public's perception that Dems are weak, but it doesn't really matter one way or the other. If the Dems didn't cave on this one, it would make no difference. Bush will just keep vetoing or nullifying the bills they pass with signing statements. He and Cheney will continue to corrupt the agencies under their control as they violate the law at will (to "protect the nation").

Only impeachment can make Bush and Cheney blink. Only impeachment breaks the bond of complicity in war crimes. Only impeachment is capable of evicting the outlaws and enforcing the dictates of our Constitution.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

14. They just don't get it. They have been bullied to believe that if they cut off funding

America will be pissed with them. America wants out of the war and wants the troops home now! That was the referendum in November.

If they don't get it, they have to be voted out.

[pat_k]

17. Americans certainly oppose the occupation, but they are ambivalent. . .

. . .on the question of "what now?" They may be ambivalent about the war, but they are unified in their anger at Bush and Cheney. (http://january6th.org/reasons-for-success.pdf">Newsweek poll)

But as long as impeachment is "off the table" the public's will is irrelevant. . . http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=938202&mesg_id=938928">continued in post above

[leftchick]

16. yep, color me shocked

not.... as usual hoyer is delusional and Woolsey is the one with cajones.

<snip>

"We can't pass something without the president's signature and the president can't pass something without our agreement," Hoyer, D-Md., told reporters. "So we can be at a standoff and go back and forth at each other, or we can come to an agreement."

The House planned to vote Thursday on the bill.

<snip>

Rep. Lynn Woolsey (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., co-founder of the liberal Out of Iraq Caucus, said she will vote against the new measure and predicted that many of colleagues will join her.

"Every time we negotiate, it (the bill) becomes weaker," said Woolsey, D-Calif. "This is a Republican bill, so it better be Republican votes that pass it."

Hoyer said the new bill, despite its lack of a timetable on troop withdrawals, is still a victory for Democrats.

"There's not a rubber stamp or blank check here. . . . And we believe the net result here will be a significant change in direction," said Hoyer.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070522/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. Political "compromises" are like a guy telling a girl he's only going to put the tip in.

[MadHound]

19. This is a suprise?

When the first spending bill was going up to Bush, people around here when I decried it as a useless gesture. But that is exactly what it was. It gave Bush a position that he could bargain from since the Democrats already stated, sadly and misguidedly, that they wouldn't defund the war. Thus Bushboy could veto, stall and bargain. He has done just that, and now he is going to get everything he wants to keep his war on.

Meanwhile the Dems throw up their hands and cry out how they can't do a damn thing even though they have majorities in both chambers. Sadly though, it isn't that they can't do anything, it is simply that they won't do anything. They are playing political games while people die needlessly. Shame on them.