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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 07:18 AM
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"The findings suggest that the breadth of the tea party may be inflated."
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_10/026281.php

DON'T CALL IT A MOVEMENT.... Describing the Tea Party crowd last week, Karl Rove told a reporter, "There have been movements like this before -- the Civil Rights movement, the anti-war movement, the pro-life movement, the Second Amendment rights movement."

The observation was based on a dubious premise. As Rove and other Republicans see it, there's a Tea Party "movement," somehow distinct-but-not-really from the GOP base, with a set of grievances and priorities that is every bit as clear as those real political movements.

But the reason I put "movement" in quotes every time I write about the Tea Partiers is that it's an amorphous group of activists with no clear agenda, no leadership, no internal structure, and no real areas of expertise. Its passionate members, while probably well meaning, appear to have no idea what they're talking about. Genuine political movements -- civil rights, women's suffrage, labor unions -- have, as Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C) recently put it, a "coherent vision." The Tea Party has rage and a cable news network, but that's not much of a substitute.

With that in mind, the Washington Post did something quite interesting -- over the course of months, the paper tried to identify, find, contact, and poll literally every self-identified Tea Party group in the country. It is, to my knowledge, an unprecedented media project.

The result, Amy Gardner reported today, painted a portrait of "a disparate band of vaguely connected gatherings that do surprisingly little to engage in the political process."

Seventy percent of the grass-roots groups said they have not participated in any political campaigning this year. As a whole, they have no official candidate slates, have not rallied behind any particular national leader, have little money on hand, and remain ambivalent about their goals and the political process in general. <...>

The findings suggest that the breadth of the tea party may be inflated.
The Atlanta-based Tea Party Patriots, for example, says it has a listing of more than 2,300 local groups, but The Post was unable to identify anywhere near that many, despite help from the organization and independent research.

In all, The Post identified more than 1,400 possible groups and was able to verify and reach 647 of them. Each answered a lengthy questionnaire about their beliefs, members and goals. The Post tried calling the others as many as six times.


There can be little doubt that these activists exist, and that the political world takes them quite seriously. But beyond this, groups and members of this "movement" don't necessarily even agree with one another about their priorities or beliefs. This even applies to the basics -- "less than half" the Tea Party organizations identified "spending and limiting the size of government" as a top concern.

It's something to keep in mind the next time someone compares these folks to a real political movement. At least for now, that's not even close to being true.


—Steve Benen
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 07:32 AM
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1. Another MSM sensation? The MSM loves to air 'till ad nauseum, as
we all know, anything to boost the ratings and to fatten the bottom line. Sometimes I watch MSM in other countries, many make MSM in the US sound like a pack of fools.

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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 07:37 AM
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2. It may not be a legitimate movement, but it can certainly have an effect...
Witness the candidates it has forced upon us. Most are jokes, but the jokes on us if any win.

In my area, the teabaggers are doing the grunt work for the Republicans-- canvassing, phoning, pollwatching... And they have foisted upon us a candidate with a chance to unseat our Congressman.

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StandingInLeftField Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 07:44 AM
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3. Is Rove trying reverse psychology to fire up the teahadists?
"I'll show that sumbich Rove...."
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 07:45 AM
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4. it's a farce and no one knows if any of the cretins will vote
Edited on Mon Oct-25-10 08:22 AM by spanone
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 08:21 AM
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5. Tea Party as the Woodstock Effect
Edited on Mon Oct-25-10 08:22 AM by ewagner
I've run into a few locals who know that I lean Democratic Party and they enjoy telling me that they are members of the Tea Party and I am (as a Democrat) going to get "tea-bagged" on Nov 2. (So far I've kept from laughing at the phrase but remember these folks are in their mid to late 60s so they probably wouldn't have a clue what I'm laughing about anyway...the age group seems to be around the average to self-proclaimed tea partiers)

When you ask these folks if they've ever been to a tea party gathering or even a rally, they say no...but they KNOW they're a tea partier...and they know that whatever is wrong with America is the Democratic Party's fault...also that islamofascistsocialist black dude in the White House...

I'm thinking that the Tea Party is much like the strange phenomenon of the late 60s and early 70s about Woodstock...EVERYBODY claimed they were there...but most of it was only an attempt to aggrandize oneself ...there weren't MILLIONS of people there.. The Tea Party is the same way. There are tons of people claiming to be "Tea Partiers" but they have no idea what the tea party stands for or where it started or even why...they just use it as a convenient political hook upon which they hang their anger, frustration, prejudices and beliefs.

The only common threads I've seen among these people are:

1. They were/are usually Republicans to begin with
2. They will probably vote and surely vote for Republicans
3. For the most part, they never take FAUX news off of their television.

Just an amusing observation.
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 08:27 AM
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6. We've known this
since they first started toting guns and misspelled signs last summer. The problem is the pubics believed it, and some of their leaders fell in with them, or just behaved so badly people thought they were part of the group. Over a year later and the average dumbshit republican voter thinks he's going to vote for the leader of a huge movement.

Hopefully some of the more intelligent Independents, and any Democrats who have just started paying attention, will see them for the small group of angry, crazy, racists they are.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 08:28 AM
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7. In other news, water is wet.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:12 AM
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13. braking gnus!
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 08:32 AM
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8. I think of it more as a bowel than a movement. nt
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 08:34 AM
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10. I see them more as what's left after a movement.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:06 AM
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11. More like a long loud fart than a movement. The Tea Farty? Teafartiers? nt
Edited on Mon Oct-25-10 09:07 AM by glitch
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 08:33 AM
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9. Noisy, though...sort of like a yapping chihuahua running around
your ankles. Annoying as hell, too.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:12 AM
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12. Tea Baggers are to politics what Sarah Palin is
to reality. Vaguely connected, often mistaken, but brash and loud, as though that would make up for their numerous deficiencies.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:30 AM
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14. "Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." (nt)
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:23 AM
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22. Nod to the Bard...
always love that....
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:26 AM
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23. Thanks!
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:35 AM
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15. Two hundred teabaggers hold a rally, it makes the news
two thousand liberals hold a rally, it's on page C14 of the local paper, next to the obituaries and "My Answer" by Billy Graham.



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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:50 AM
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17. And if there are millions holding antiwar rallies worldwide, there's nary a whisper. nt
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 12:39 PM
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28. That's why the tea party isn't antiwar anymore.
It gets no play.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:44 AM
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16. Key words: "remain ambivalent"

Every Bagger I know but one, a die-hard Republican, has told me they never vote and do not plan on voting this election either! They are from the "both sides are equally bad" crowd.

Republicans may win this election, but it will *not* be the Baggers who carry the day for them. It will be the non-voting progressives who put the Republicans in control. We can then spend the next two years with non-stop investigations of Obama. DADT will not be repealed. DOMA will not be repealed. The deficit and economy will worsen.


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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:53 AM
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18. Exactly right.
That's why it's vital that we get out the Dem vote.

To keep these idiots from winning this election.

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 10:59 AM
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19. I agree with this.
Since there are really no organizing principles, they are easy to co-opt.


I live in a very rural RED area of The South.
I know many who say they support the Tea Party, and some have been to local Tea Party rallies, but none of them seem to have the first clue about the issues, or what the Tea Party stands for....
beyond the vague sensation that they are not happy with Big Govmint and current Hard Times. The Republicans have successfully spent time and money to get them to blame "The Democrats" for this.

When I can talk them down to "issues", most of them agree with the Democratic Party or the Green Party on the issues. If the Democratic Party would spend some time and money directly addressing the Tea Party on ISSUES, and plainly and clearly show them that they are better off voting Democratic....it would be money well spent.

You have to dumb it down some without being condescending, like:
"Do you think Paris Hilton should get a BIG tax cut that YOUR children will have to pay for?
If so, vote for the Republican.
If NOT, vote for the Democrat.

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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:13 AM
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20. The tea party is the political equivalent of the Da Da art movement from the 20s.
There's no real point to it. There's no real leadership to it. They have no goals. They're an anti-government government movement.
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:29 AM
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24. And anti technology
:rofl: Any to uplift the nonsensical and absurd! Great analogy :-) - now if only they would also admit the horrors of war (Iraq and Afghanistan) and it would be a perfect analogy.

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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:34 AM
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25. They're anti-everything!
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:22 AM
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21. They are not a movement. They are just Republicans with
exceptionally silly hats.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:45 AM
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26. And badly misspelled protest signs.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 12:39 PM
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27. There ain't any Tea Party Movement.
There was, for a minute, a Libertarian phenomenon called the "tea party", but it's been taken over by the GOP.

What you have is a GOP shell game. The "Tea Party" = "Contract With America" = "Moral Majority" = "Silent Majority" = every other synonym for the fed up GOP crew.

Same people, different label.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 04:36 PM
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29. K & R
:thumbsup:
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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:40 PM
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30. The Tea Party is a RW manufactured phenomena
Edited on Mon Oct-25-10 09:41 PM by felix_numinous
made up of reactionaries who are fed talking points and who get all of their information second hand. It is a very bad social experiment in which to gage public susceptibility to propaganda. They have created a monster that can act as a 'bad cop' to manipulate all the people left of them also.

It is crucial that Americans wake up to the methods of propaganda, they have become quite sophisticated over the years.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 10:10 PM
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31. You don't say.
I never would have guessed.

:eyes:
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