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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 07:45 PM
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A rather large prominence on the sun, great photo, even better
Edited on Mon Oct-25-10 07:46 PM by HysteryDiagnosis
explanation at site.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/00current.htm



Sunspot 1112
Oct 25, 2010

An extremely large filamentary structure has appeared on the Sun. Electric star theory presupposes such formations.
What is the Sun? And by extension, what are stars? A popular website describes the Sun in this way: "Our Sun is made up of elements left over from the Big Bang, elements formed from dying stars, and elements created in supernovae."

The basic premise of the Electric Universe theory is that celestial bodies are immersed in plasma and are connected by circuits. Since the Sun is also electrically interconnected with the galaxy and its planets, it should be thought of as a charged object in balance with the forces of its environment. That balance is not completely stable, however. The currents flowing into and out of the Sun can sometimes cause tremendous bursts of energy called solar flares.

According to consensus opinions, solar flares, or coronal mass ejections (CME), occur when magnetic loops in the Sun's atmosphere "reconnect" with each other, causing a short circuit. The explosive release of "magnetic energy" is said to accelerate the superheated gases out into space. No one knows what "magnetic reconnection" is, but it is offered as the only explanation by heliophysicists for the flaring phenomenon.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 07:57 PM
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1. nice pic
explanation belongs on the woo woo train.

take an astronomy course at at a community college and you'll see what I mean.

that would mean getting off the woo woo train though......
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:07 PM
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6. .
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:43 PM
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8. I see what you mean. n/t
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 08:07 PM
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2. No one knows what "magnetic reconnection" is?
Edited on Mon Oct-25-10 08:10 PM by laconicsax
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki?search=Magnetic+reconnection
Magnetic reconnection is a description of the tearing mode resistive instability in a plasma, in which the plasma resistivity leads to dissipation of free magnetic energy on a timescale intermediate between slow diffusion and fast Alfven relaxation. The term reconnection is for descriptive purposes only; the actual mechanism is formally worked out in the context of resistive MHD instability theory.

The qualitative description of the reconnection process is such that magnetic field lines from different magnetic domains are spliced to one another, changing their patterns of connectivity with respect to the sources. It is a violation of an approximate conservation law in plasma physics, and can concentrate mechanical or magnetic energy in both space and time. Solar flares, the largest explosions in the solar system, may involve the reconnection of large systems of magnetic flux on the Sun, releasing, in minutes, energy that has been stored in the magnetic field over a period of hours to days. Magnetic reconnection in Earth's magnetosphere is one of the mechanisms responsible for the aurora, and it is important to the science of controlled nuclear fusion because it is one mechanism preventing magnetic confinement of the fusion fuel.

In an electrically conductive plasma, magnetic field lines are grouped into 'domains' – bundles of field lines that connect from a particular place to another particular place, and that are topologically distinct from other field lines nearby. This topology is approximately preserved even when the magnetic field itself is strongly distorted by the presence of variable currents or motion of magnetic sources, because effects that might otherwise change the magnetic topology instead induce eddy currents in the plasma; the eddy currents have the effect of canceling out the topological change.
Looks like someone knows enough about it to make a detailed Wikipedia entry, complete with equations, diagrams, and links to other sources that know what it is.

Unrec for pseudoscientific garbage.

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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 05:02 PM
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10. So you believe magnetic field lines are real, interesting enough.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2010/arch10/100923disconnection.htm



According to the theory, when those magnetic field lines cross and "reconnect" through some unknown mechanism, they are supposed to detonate, releasing large quantities of heat, light and electrical energy. That power flows down the field lines into Earth's poles, where it causes the air molecules to glow with brilliant auroral colors. The potential energy that ignites the aurorae is said to be "stored" in the magnetic field lines.

Magnetic field lines cannot be the storehouse for magnetic energy because the field lines are no more real than the arrows that are used to describe an electric field, or the curved lines that trace out a sine wave. Those are character symbols, just as magnetic field lines are symbols that describe a magnetic field's schematic. A magnetic field acts as a continuum—it is not quantized into discrete bands. To say that magnetic field lines can cross, or flap, or break and reconnect is tantamount to saying that weather diagrams can produce rain.

Kristian Birkeland is not only spinning in his grave, he is doing cartwheels.

Strong magnetic disturbances are detected when a bright aurora is seen. It was in 1903 that Kristian Birkeland's observations led him to propose that electricity powered the aurorae, flowing parallel to the formation. Since electric current moves through a closed circuit, and since the currents and the glow seemed to be caused by processes in distant space, he theorized that the circuit's beginning came down from space at one end of the auroral arc and looped back out to space on the other end. In 1973, the U.S. Navy satellite Triad flew through this electrically charged layer. The onboard magnetometer found two electric currents in gigantic sheets, each carrying a million amperes or more, one descending on the auroral zone's morning side and one ascending on the evening side. Since Birkeland's research had predicted the currents that link Earth with space they were called Birkeland currents.
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 08:57 PM
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13. Considering that field lines are observable...
The information and explanations on thunderbolts.info is about as accurate as what you might find on Answers in Genesis. You should really try a source that isn't full of complete crap. You might learn something about how the universe actually works, rather than how some scientifically illiterate dopes think it should work.

Look at the quote on the thunderbolts.info homepage:
“From the smallest particle to the largest galactic formation, a web of electrical circuitry connects and unifies all of nature, organizing galaxies, energizing stars, giving birth to planets and, on our own world, controlling weather and animating biological organisms. There are no isolated islands in an electric universe."

This is unsupported to the point of being laughably false. If the electric universe model were accurate, Thornhill and Talbot would be recognized as visionary scientists and they'd most likely have a Nobel. Instead, their adherence to demonstrably false hypotheses shows them for what they are--hacks.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 08:20 PM
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14. Uh, no it isn't and Los Alamos is not a bunch of hacks either...
Edited on Wed Oct-27-10 08:20 PM by HysteryDiagnosis
Here IS your sign.

Quasars and Double Radio Galaxies

Charged particle beams held together or pinched by their self-magnetic fields have been of general interest since their earliest investigation by Bennett. The macroscopic picture of such a beam is that of a self-consistent magnetic confinement or compression against the expansion due to thermal pressure. On the microscopic scale, relativistic electrons in the magnetized beam are prodigious produces of synchrotron radiation.

An enhancement of the synchrotron power is achieved when the sum of the radial forces seen by the relativistic electrons is increased, as is the case when the azimuthal magnetic fields of neighboring pinches are present. A burst of synchrotron radiation is observed as shown in the experimentally recorded light in the figure below.



Figure. Top: Streak camera recording of the cross-sections of two adjacent pinched filaments, or Birkeland currents; time increasing from left to right. Bottom: Simulation cross sections of the plasma pinches. Also show is the synchrotron radiation recorded during the interaction of the pinches.

Because the burst of intense radiation occurs when the two pinches are separated, the synchrotron light, focused in the direction of the acellerating electrons, is that of two intense fowardly-directed 'search lights': a double synchrotron radiation source.

When scaled to the dimensions of a galaxy, each pinch having a diameter of 35 kpc, 10 kpc thick, separated initially 80 kpc apart, the synchrotron radiated power is of the order of 1037 watts, that is, the power recorded from double radio galaxies.

Figure. An isophotal comparison of the synchrotron intensities from quasars and double radio galaxies to the simulated interacting pinched plasma currents.



While the high-energy-density plasma experiment lasts but for a billionth of a second, as plasmas scale in size and parameter, the scaled plasma morphology for a galactic dimensioned interaction is about 10 billion years.

It should be noted that while the energy delivered to the pinch region is through a cylindrical or filamental current, the interaction region itself is that of two dusty plasmas, each 35 kpc in diameter and 10 kpc thick. After about 10 billion years, the morphology the interaction is that of a well-developed spiral galaxy.

The same selection of quasars and double radio galaxies but sorted according to the simulation radiation patterns. Time runs from top to bottom.

The radiated power for the simulated radiation builds up rapidly reaching a maximum at about the second pattern from the top, then decreases. This is also true of the observed galaxies.

The maximum power for observed and simulated galaxies is a few times 1037 watts.

entaurus A. Overlay of optical 'dust lane' image on radio synchrotron isophotes.



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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 08:09 PM
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3. My God, it's full of pseudotechnobabble!
:evilgrin:

Nice pic, though!
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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 08:10 PM
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4. Are the solar storms starting already? nt
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 08:13 PM
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5. Cool pic. The explanation is total crap though.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:32 PM
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7. Sorta looks like what Rush's
ass might look like with the boil.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:48 PM
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9. "All Rush's DraftDodging Ass Boils are belong to us." - Republicons
Edited on Tue Oct-26-10 04:49 PM by SpiralHawk
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 05:05 PM
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11. That's gonna screw up satellite communications..
nt
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 05:21 PM
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12. as long as it stops people from texting and driving
I'm all for it.:hi:

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