Calif. initiative advances: 'Creates Special Constitutional Rule for Speech Based on the Bible'

[Newsjock]

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ballot-measures/cleared-for-circulation.htm#1475

Creates Special Constitutional Rule for Speech Based on the Bible. Initiative Constitutional Amendment.

Summary Date: 10/25/10 | Circulation Deadline: 03/24/11 | Signatures Required: 694,354

Proponent: Allan Esses [e-mail]

Exempts speech based on biblical authority from existing constitutional and statutory restrictions applicable to all other speech, including restrictions against discrimination and hate crimes. Repeals constitutional provision denying protection to acts of religious expression inconsistent with the peace or safety of the State. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: Potentially minor increased costs to state and local governments to resolve legal issues pertaining to the effect of the measure. (10-0022.)

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From the initiative text (PDF):
(b) We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to perpetuate His blessings do submit that a person using any part of the Bible's content as authority may freely speak, pray, write, discuss, publish, preach, teach, hear, share his or her faith, to proclaim Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father, engage in street witnessing, distribute written material or otherwise communicate any views on salvation, heaven, or abortion, adultery, alcoholism, anti-Semitism, astrology, bestiality, bigamy, bisexuality, blasphemy, civil unions, coarse jesting, cohabitation, coveting, cross-dressing, cults, drugs, drunkenness, extortion, euthanasia, evil, evolution, fornication, gay marriage, gender identity, hell, heresy, homosexuality, idolaters, idolatry, incest, lying, murder, necromancy, other religions, pornography, psychics, rape, reviling, sex, sexual immorality, sexual orientation, sodomy, sorcery, stealing, transgender, trans-sexuality, witchcraft, yoga, or sin at any public or private gatherings, school, church, or other place of worship, Bible Study group or sidewalk or in any communicative medium, the internet, satellite, television, film, theater, radio, videos, recording, newspapers, magazines, music, and periodicals or by means of a computer, telephone, cell phone, or fax machine.
These provisions shall not be construed to authorize actions prohibited by Section 302, Section 602.11 and Section 11412 of the Penal Code.

[leftstreet]

1. FFS!! And they wonder why people aren't interested in politics

Oh.....wait

[Angry Dragon]

2. So they are saying that some speech has more rights than other speech??

sounds unconstitutional

[pnwmom]

3. That's exactly what they're saying. And they're asking,

with this initiative, for the government to establish the primacy of the Christian faith -- which is clearly unconstitutional.

[Angry Dragon]

5. Then they need to produce the authors or this god they talk about

The so called experts can not even agree on what the Bible says.
With parts are literal, which is allegory??

Where is this god, how many gods, New Testament god, Old Testament god??
They have no right to even consider this

[pnwmom]

6. They do have a right to try it. And we have a right not to sign it,

and, if necessary, to watch the Courts strike it down.

[Angry Dragon]

7. I get really pissed when someone tries to

shove their religion onto me, to make me live under their religion.

They can not even agree on which set of Ten Commandments
are the correct ones.

[pnwmom]

9. I don't understand why THEY don't understand that the separation

of Church and State protects THEIR beliefs, just as much as anyone else's. No one wants to have someone else's religious beliefs shoved down their throat.

[Angry Dragon]

10. In their Bible Jesus said if you want to pray

do not stand in the street, but go into your closet.

On another note, which Bible are they going to use??
So many of them out there

[pnwmom]

15. Honestly, I think some of them think

Jesus and the Apostles all spoke English -- whatever version is in the Bible they own.

[Angry Dragon]

16. The catholic Bible and the Protestant Bible are different

to begin with, different Ten Commandments,
I think the best thing might be to let them
fight it out in the streets to find out
which religion is better. To see which side god is on

[BarryMeNot]

17. I don't think "fighting it out in the streets" is such a good idea

They tried that in Europe, ca. 1618-1648, wiped out 1/3 of the population of Germany. I don't think we want to go there.

[Angry Dragon]

18. I figure if the christians want to have their god

determine what laws this country lives under
I have no problem letting them fight among
themselves to see which god is more powerful.

I would just sit back and sip my tequila.

[geardaddy]

24. And more recently in NI n/t

[pnwmom]

19. Catholics are not fundamentalists. They don't take the Bible literally.

So you might as well leave them out of it, for once.

[Angry Dragon]

21. No problem

Just as soon as the catholic church leaders quit telling me how to live my life, just as soon as they quit bashing the gay population, telling them that they are immoral and evil, as soon as quit telling the world that they are the only true church and are the only way to god. I will quit as soon as the catholic church leaders quit hiding pedophiles and take full responsibility for their hand in the abuse.

I am biased against the catholic church not Catholics. The catholic church is fundamentalist not the Catholics.

[pnwmom]

25. Even the Church doesn't teach fundamentalist Christianity.

But thank you for distinguishing between the diversity of individual Catholics and the hierarchy.

[geardaddy]

22. I say that to every street preacher

at the corner of Lake and Hennepin.

[petronius]

4. I find it telling that he wants to strike this part:

"This liberty of conscience does not excuse acts that are licentious or inconsistent with the peace or safety of the State."

What licentious and or unsafe acts is he wanting to commit? :shrug:

[msongs]

8. at $2 or more per signature, "collectors" will happily seek signers nt

[pinboy3niner]

14. He failed to get enough signatures last go-round

He tried, and failed, to qualify for the Nov. 2010 ballot.

I wonder who was to blame for that failure. Could it be . . . SATAN? :evilgrin:

[Lucy Goosey]

11. Yoga? Coarse jesting? Necromancy?

Really? What does the bible have to say about yoga that needs extra-special more-protected-than-other-speech exceptions? :eyes:

What a bunch of weirdos.

[krispos42]

12. And if one day, California is under Sharia Law...

...it will because idiots like this make religious law superior to constitutional secular law.

[pinto]

13. Eh. I would guess this has the proverbial snowball's chance of passage.

:eyes:

[mikeytherat]

20. King James version? New International Version? Any gnostic mention?

Let the games begin!

"My King James can kick the crap out of your NIV!"

mikey_the_rat

[LongTomH]

23. Jesus wept!

Are these people for real, or is this just a parody?