The assault on the Move-On female activist sure looks like a sexual assault to me.

[trumad]

I would love 5 minutes in a room with the POS who attacked her.

[EnviroBat]

1. If that had been my daughter, wife, S.O.

Some asshole would be on life-support right now.

[Ian David]

2. You're right. He has his hand on her boob. n/t

[LeftinOH]

3. Was this a bunch of men tackling one woman? Bastards.

[trumad]

6. Another man stomped on her head.

[avaistheone1]

4. Here's a link to the video of the attack

The woman who was attacked needs to sue these guys and Rand Paul to high heavens.



Video attached to this story can be found here.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/10/26/rand-paul-backer-stomps-on-woman-outside-kentucky-senate-debate/

[polichick]

5. Haven't seen this story - hopefully he was arrested. POS indeed! nt

[Wednesdays]

11. Republicans, arrested? What sort of fantasy land do you think we live in?

Heck, if Republicans that kill a million Iraqis don't serve time, you really think one of them stomping on a single person's head is going to be brought to justice?

[polichick]

17. I take it he wasn't arrested. nt

[Lochloosa]

27. No.

[tblue37]

37. Nope. The cops say there isn't even an investigation into it and won't be unless she

inititiates one herself by pressing charges.

[polichick]

42. Then she should press charges - there must be plenty of witnesses. nt

[MineralMan]

7. Hey! Now that I've got her down, I might as well cop a feel.

I can hear that running through his mind, even from the photo. I'll bet their really proud of themselves...taking that tough young woman down like that can't be easy for these wimps.

[OnlinePoker]

8. Not defending their actions

but you're taking a half second of the struggle out of context. There was no overt groping and he pulled his hand away immediately.

[MineralMan]

12. Yessir, you go right ahead and defend these assholes.

But, don't forget to say you're not defending them. That makes it OK. :grr:

[meow mix]

50. +rec... WTF is wrong with these "DU'ers"

so fucking obvious.

[Wednesdays]

14. So, in a struggle, it's okay for someone to grab your crotch

...just as long as they pull their hand away immediately. :eyes:

[OnlinePoker]

25. Have you ever played rugby?

I played in high school and you don't always know where your hand ends up in a scrum. Sometimes it ends up on another guys junk and you pull it away right away.

[MineralMan]

26. Nope. Never played. Never tackled a woman at a political rally

either. Funny how that works, isn't it?

[Iris]

33. That being the important difference. One might expect some awkward physical contact in a rugby

match. Not so much when simply expressing some political opinion.

[MineralMan]

34. Indeed. More and more, I'm thinking that Men's forum would

be a good idea. Sorta similar to the Guns forum. It might help keep the guys busy, you know.

[Iris]

54. As long as you don't get lost there!

:loveya:

[trumad]

19. Are you fucking kidding me

they tackled the woman, held her down, and then stomped her head.

I'm alerting on you ass because you've got to be a fucking troll.

[OnlinePoker]

24. I'm saying it's not sexual assault and that is all. n/t

[Winterblues]

36. And you know that for a fact?

There was never any reason for that man's hand to be on her breast. There was never any need of a struggle. If she was trespassing the police should have been called. They took the law into their hands along with her breasts... There simply is no excuse what-so-ever..

[thereismore]

38. OK. Imagine they had done that to your daughter then. How long a grope is alright? nt

[cliffordu]

40. Well...

:rofl:

That's like your wife saying you never have sex because you got a half inch dick.

[Dappleganger]

53. You must be blind as a bat.

[seabeyond]

62. they assault another human being. a girl, half their weight. they are cowards. nt

[Lucy Goosey]

9. Woah.

I didn't see that in the video. I wonder if there is any chance of charging these guys with assault.

[Name removed]

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[MineralMan]

13. See #12

Thanks.

[trumad]

21. Uh...Mineral---

he was going after me for daring to say it was sexual assault.

[trumad]

20. Look at his fucking hand ...

I say get his ass for sexual assault as well.

[Lance_Boyle]

29. And I say that's asinine.

It looks like he's holding her down - plain old assault style. Fleeting incidental contact with a breast does not turn assault into sexual assault. It just doesn't. And it's ridiculous to assert that they should trump up bogus charges - the legit charges are quite enough.

[trumad]

31. So holding down a little women

by placing his hand on her breast is just OK with you.

[Lance_Boyle]

32. No, assault is not OK, regardless of the gender of the victim.

But inventing bogus "sexual assault" charges to make the assault somehow worse than it was is also not OK. Fleeting incidental contact with a breast or buttock does not turn an assault into a sexual assault. I'll guarantee you that the charges ultimately filed in this incident will not reflect your bizarre take on things. And it is bizarre. You're trivializing the actual assault by inventing out of whole cloth (and fevered mind) something that just did not happen.

[trumad]

44. have you noticed that you're the only one feeling that way?

So let's see--- what is worse---assault or sexual assault.

I say we go after him for sexual assault.

BTW: Is this guy your cousin?

[Name removed]

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[Lance_Boyle]

48. It is not infrequent that I am the only reasonable person among a crowd of hysterical ninnies.

As I said in another response - I'll be back to say "I told you so" after charges are filed. You should look up the definition of "sexual assault" and see if you can square this nanosecond of incidental contact with that definition. If you are at all honest (which I sort of doubt from a person who trumps up bogus sexual assault charges) you will see that this incident is clearly not sexual assault. Just plain old assault.

[frylock]

52. i think the same..

you're making something out of nothing. lets focus on the actual assault rather than making things up, plz.

[onenote]

55. its not okay, but its not sexual assault under KY law.

Its probably fourth degree, misdemenor assault, which is defined in KY as "intentionally or wantonly causing physical injury to another person"

To prove sexual assault you have to prove forcible sexual contact which is defined as a touching of the sexual or other intimate parts of a person done for the purpose of gratifying the sexual desire of either party.

There is no chance of proving that the person pulling her down was grabbing her breast to get his rocks off. Really, no jury would ever find that and bringing a frivolous claim is stupid.

[Heywood J]

57. Okay. Look at things like

lewd conduct or public indecency. No, he probably won't be convicted of it, but it can sure be used as leverage against him.

[onenote]

59. not remotely applicable

The closest thing to lewd conduct or public indecency under KY law is indecent exposure, which clearly doesn't apply.

The video makes it obvious that this was not a sexual offense and claiming it is not only is ridiculous, but demeans those who actually are victims of sexual offenses.

[Lorien]

45. "incidental contact"???

Are you looking at the same photo or are you just being willingly obtuse? Making excuses for sexual assault: truly a new low for you.

[Lance_Boyle]

47. It is not a photo - it is a still from a video.

The OP is being extremely disingenuous with this - the video reveals EXTREMELY fleeting and unquestionably incidental contact with the woman's breast in the commission of the assault. That does not make the assault a sexual assault. It just doesn't.

I'll be back to say "I told you so" to the OP and everyone else here who wants to trump up bogus charges unnecessarily after charges are filed which will not include "sexual assault."

Meanwhile I would suggest that most responders here look up the definition of "sexual assault." This incident ain't it.

[spanone]

15. have charges been filed?

[Lochloosa]

30. No

[Tsiyu]

16. These criminals have had a lot of practice

and they are full of rage.

If there are no arrests in this case, i am going to assume that every teabagger I meet is a violent thug whom no law enforcement will stop, and i will act accordingly.

Any ID on these abusive bullies yet?

[midnight]

18. K&R.

[MuseRider]

22. Thank you for noticing.

I had not seen a single person say anything about that. Of course, I am just starting to get around the story but that was the first thing I noticed. I thought it looked like when he got her down he grabbed her boob twice and used it to hold her down. I bet she is pretty bruised. These guys are mad about more than what she was trying to say.

[lonestarnot]

23. cop'n a feel under the guise of CON lunacy.

[malaise]

28. Is this being discussed on M$Greedia this morning?

If not why now?

[Marr]

35. Is this getting any play in the corporate media?

I remember when that union demonstrator pushed a Republican demonstrator and the Republican fell down, they all played it on a loop and called it assault.

[cliffordu]

39. You and me both.

[thereismore]

41. Oh, I know! He was trying to break her fall, honest!

:mad:

[Parker CA]

43. Geezus. These are truly sick SOB's. Kick and Rec for exposure to this disgusting crap. nt

[Xenotime]

49. These RW terrorists are getting more and more bold.

[Lance_Boyle]

51. I told you so.

"OK, so a police report has been filed, and the people involved in the incident are now suspects in an assault case."

http://theothermccain.com/2010/10/26/do-the-kentucky-head-stomp/

Assault charges. Not ridiculous, trumped up "sexual assault" charges.

[JNelson6563]

56. And I would happily grant you that five minutes.

If it were in my power.

[petronius]

58. Battery for sure, but it wouldn't be sexual battery here in CA and I doubt it would be in KY

Sexual assault charges require evidence of an intent of sexual gratification or abuse - contact with private body parts during an attack doesn't demonstrate that unless there is evidence or testimony of a prurient motive.

The guy is clearly a violent thug and has (further) exposed the despicable nature of his movement, why dilute that point by trying to spin it up into something it's not?

[Matariki]

60. Looks like your observation is shared, if not vindicated

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ybenjamin/detail?entry_id=75637

"Mike Pezzano, the Rand Paul volunteer who tackled and threw down Lauren Valle. Pezzano was also seen to be grabbing the breast of Valle as she was be ing pinned down. Grabbing the breast of Valle could bring the possibility of sexual battery charges."

[Generic Other]

61. Proffitt was "Rand Paul for Senate Bourbon County coordinator"

Pezzano is a low level flunky volunteer. Acting in the official capacity as he was, Proffitt puts Rand Paul squarelly liable for his actions. Get ready to pay a big settlement Mr. Paul.

[Raine]

63. Sexiest yes but sexual IMO no

I notice they didn't take down any of the male protesters only the female. I think in that regard it was a sexiest attack.

[Divine Discontent]

64. yes, sexual. no reason for his hand to go under her arm and onto her chest, he clearly is copping a

feel.

these guys need a baseball bat to the back to get them off her... wish someone was there with one.