Another reason pot should not be legalized ANYWHERE!

[Jackpine Radical]

Fetal Cannabis Syndrome!

Oh, the effects are subtle but persistent. Kids born to moms who used the EVil Weed during their pregnancies are scarred for life, and often fail to thrive in the workaday world.

Cannabis babies often develop into calm and relaxed infants who don't respond appropriately to political persuasion with fear and hate messages.
Cannabis babies often fail to develop proper respect for secular and religious authority.
Cannabis babies go through their lives having strange and unsettling thoughts that often lead to unconventional behavior.
Cannabis babies do not make good citizens because they resist regimentation and programming.
Cannabis babies exhibit atavistic behaviors like altruism and compassion rather than normal self-interest and avarice, making them a danger to the social order.

Truly--What kind of terrible world would we have if cannabis babies became the norm?

[madmax]

1. Treading carefully here

I don't know if I agree with all that without medical reseach and facts to back it up. Consider that I'm 61 and wine was thought to be good for pregnant women and now we find out different.

Pot should be legalized and like alcohol regulated but, legal. At the very least it should be de-crimialized.

[Jackpine Radical]

2. -sigh-

[madmax]

9. ok, so maybe I don't get it

since there is no way in hell I'm getting preggers I can smoke all the weed I want. :P

I'll lend my support to legalization and you guys work on genetic engineering.

[Jackpine Radical]

11. It's a put-on, based on a variety of things

like the "Crack Baby" hoax, the way pot has been used as an excuse for punishing dissidents, and the results of certain psychedelic experiences that were documented (albeit not typically with pot) by researchers.

[madmax]

14. LOL doh.

That happens with me and when it does - my son will say, 'go back to sleep, Mom'. Thanks Jack - you have patience :hug:

I'm not that old, really - I'm not. Sometimes with DU and the youngins sense of humour it goes over my head. Maybe I'm smoking too much weed. :hippie: ;)

[Jackpine Radical]

15. How did you guess I'm young?

Actually, I'm only 66, a child OF the sixties IN his 60's.

[madmax]

18. Me too but, you aged better

I can't up with it all. Partially because I'm hearing impaired. Started in my 20's so learning, communicating, and such takes an enormous amount of energy. Plus as Lennon said, life is what happens... I got married, had a child, became part of the establishment to a degree.

It's a lot better now with CC TV. Soon youtube will be CC. I only listen to music from the 60's - 80's because I know the words. I hear, but I hear muffled words. If you plugged your ears up really well that's how I hear so I use a combo of what I 'hear' and a little lip reading that I taught myself.

Hey! Weren't the 60's the best. I'm so proud of our generation.

[Jackpine Radical]

28. My hearing's not the greatest either.

Not as bad as yours though. That sounds like it would be really difficult to live with.

[JuniperLea]

41. Probably from all that hippy music...

And acid rock, right?

:D

[Roon]

32. I am hearing impaired too

So I have a very hard time with music.My lovers from the last 20 years all ended up HATING my music because I had to play it loud to hear it.

I am going to get a set of wireless headphones one of these days, then I can walk around, do stuff like cleaning house. All without my music bothering anyone.

[Occulus]

3. What kind of terrible world?

One in which music like this is written. I discovered this years ago. For example (I intentionally wrote this while as high on cannabis as I could possibly be, years and years ago):




Tempo = Driving!, with the eighth note getting the beat. It's as fast as Copland's "Hoedown" (and in fact inspired by that piece). Yes, it's a reduction.

Yes, it's totally insane.

[Jackpine Radical]

6. I can't read music; I would love to hear this.

[Occulus]

47. Sorry for being so late with this; I thought I hit 'post' earlier today

and I guess I didn't. Mea culpa; the link to the MIDI file is below. Clicking on it should start the piece automatically.

The piece is called "Fantasy on the Old West"; intended to be a spaghetti western ballet in one selfless act, I originally wrote this overture several years ago as a experiment to see what sort of music I would write while stoned out of my mind on cannabis. The piece isn't finished yet, and might never be finished, but I still whip it out and play with it once in a while. :D

http://midishrine.com/midi/38317.mid

[jdlh8894]

7. Don't think these old fingers can stretch that far! LOL

Going to print and give it a try.Is it OK to print?Or is it CW?
On edit-Why in "D"?

[Occulus]

49. I posted a link to the MIDI file

I guess copyright doesn't really make much sense in that case, right? ;)

I wrote it in D because it's a very bright key, especially for this piece, but other sections will probably be darker. My idea is to have a spaghetti western ballet in one selfless act: a cowboy-in-a-saloon, barmaid-flirts-with-cowboy, bad-guy-starts-a-fight, bad-guy-kidnaps-barmaid, cowboy-laments-under-the-stars, cowboy-looks-for-bad-guy, barmaid-tied-to-railroad-tracks, cowboy-rescues-barmaid, bad-guy-leaves-town-for-good, cowboy-gets-the-girl, rides-off-into-sunset story told in under an hour on a stage.

Uh-huh. Completely drug-induced..... fun, though. :D

[Le Taz Hot]

19. I was just about to call you on

a lack of time signature until I inspected a little closer and saw there was a reason. Love to hear a snippet as my piano skills have fallen greatly from not playing in 25 years. Well, that and I was never that good in the first place. :+

"A reduction." *perk* And a good music theory education a well. :hi:

[Occulus]

48. I linked the whole thing above. It's pretty short.

It's actually in 7/8 time for the most part, and it's intended to be played quite fast. The composer's note on the score, shown in red above, reads "this seven-octave D is to be played on as many concert grand pianos as possible"; the short recapitulation of the theme on the "left hand" is intended for cello, contrabass, and tuba. Robust and full, indeed.

Earlier on you may hear something familiar from Gershwin's "Rhapsody in Blue"; it's a very short two-bar quote immediately following an upward glissando. The score at that point reads "thanks, George". :D

Yeah, I had fun with this one!

[JuniperLea]

42. I'm thinking Mozart must have been a toker...

At first glance, this looks like his stuff! "Too many notes!" Hahahaha!

[Tsiyu]

4. Babies in Tye Die!!!! Oh Noes!!!!!!!

Better Mama has a Bud Light or a rum and coke! Then her baby can be fetal alcohol syndrome like B*sh and all his minions!

For a better, safer world, vote with Big Alcohol!!!!!

[Jackpine Radical]

12. Hah! Better Bud light than good bud! (nt)

[Tsiyu]

13. Of course!

One is laden with chemicals, packaged in wasteful ways, can cause severe side effects and is available on every block.

The other grows anywhere, is used with minimal processing, has few side effects and isn't packaged wastefully.

But we'd rather have the former, just for tradition's sake!

[Lint Head]

5. Oh my Gawd! My mother never smoked pot

but I have all the symptoms. Was she hiding something from me?

[madmax]

10. It was Dad

you got the from second hand smoke. ;)

[HopeHoops]

8. They also are destined to end up... Dude, is that a bag of Doritoes?

:smoke: :hippie:

[Jackpine Radical]

16. Jeez, you ate them all.

And quit bogarting that thing. Anhybody wanna order a pizza?

[HopeHoops]

17. I didn't bogart it. I simply inhaled the entire thing in one toke.

Damn. Now I'm going to have to watch "Up In Smoke" (yes, I have it on DVD AND know where it is).

[Jackpine Radical]

23. If you know where it is,

you're not stoned enough.

[HopeHoops]

24. Where what is, man?

What happened to those Doritoes, dude?

[Jackpine Radical]

26. That pizza here yet?

What Doritos?

Hey there's a funny smell in the room. Like something burning.

[HopeHoops]

36. (I farted) - shhhh!

[Jackpine Radical]

40. Oh. OK. I was afraid the dog ate another roach

& got the shits.

[pipi_k]

20. The only problem I have with this

is knowing what pot can, and does, do to someone with panic/anxiety disorders. Not just my own experience, but from the experience of many other panic/anxiety sufferers.

There are also cases where people without an apparent genetic link to panic disorder have gotten panic attacks from smoking pot, and those attacks then became chronic.


If a fetus has a genetic predisposition to panic/anxiety, pot could have some pretty bad effects on it at some point after birth.


Knowing that, I would not take the chance of exposing a fetus to pot, as it could end up triggering a lifelong problem that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

[Le Taz Hot]

21. K & R

Just because that ridiculous post (you know the one I'm talking about) is still high (pun intended) on the GD list.

[fascisthunter]

22. my Grandmother used to make tea out of it in Germany

She and her sister used to chill in the yard while sipping the tea, giggling, smiling, calming themselves after a long hard day. She used to give my mother the tea whenever her stomach was upset, or when she had a hard time sleeping. The ironic part of this is, when much older a second cousin of mine alerted my grandmother that what herb she was using was also know as marijuana. Well, that bothered her tremendously and thought the suggesting that it was marijuana was silly.

[mzmolly]

25. I think it's ill advised to suggest pregnant women

smoke weed, sorry.

Is it safe to smoke marijuana during pregnancy?

Expert Answers
Gerald Briggs, pharmacist clinical specialist

No. Smoking marijuana during pregnancy may affect your baby's growth and the development of his nervous system. Studies have shown that children who were exposed to marijuana during pregnancy sometimes have problems focusing their attention and solving problems.

Children of heavy pot users may also have problems with short-term memory, concentration, and judgment. (There's no evidence so far, however, that marijuana use during pregnancy causes attention deficit hyperactivity disorder).

One study even found that young children whose mothers smoked marijuana during pregnancy had a higher risk of leukemia than those whose mothers did not.

What's more, there's no way to know if the pot you're smoking has been laced with other drugs (such as PCP) or contaminated with pesticides, which would put your baby at even higher risk. And using marijuana increases the chance that your baby will have birth defects if you're also drinking alcohol or smoking tobacco.

.... more at link

http://www.babycenter.com/404_is-it-safe-to-smoke-marijuana-during-pregnancy_2490.bc

[Jackpine Radical]

27. I take your point. My intentions

were satirical; I was somewhat surprised when people started taking me straight and literally.

[mzmolly]

30. PHEW!

:hi: One never knows.

[Jackpine Radical]

35. See my Post # 11 above. I explain a little of what I was about.

[BakedAtAMileHigh]

31. you need to read actual research, not propaganda

This is the largest and longest longitudinal study ever conducted on cannabis use, pregnancy and child development. I will post the abstract below, but here is a video of the study's main physician discussing the results:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9WorIM0RhA

Pediatrics, February 1994, Volume 93, Number 2, pp. 254-260.
American Academy of Pediatrics

From the Schools of Nursing, Education, and Public Health, the University of Massachusetts, Amherst.
Received for publication Sep 21, 1992; accepted Jun 30, 1993.
Reprint requests to (M.D.) School of Nursing, the University of Massachusetts,
111 Arnold House, Amherst, MA 01003.
Pediatrics (ISSN 0031 4005). Copyright © 1994 by the American Academy of Pediatrics.
Prenatal Marijuana Exposure and Neonatal Outcomes in Jamaica:
An Ethnographic Study

Melanie C. Dreher, PhD; Kevin Nugent, PhD; and Rebekah Hudgins, MA

ABSTRACT.

Objective. To identify neurobehavioral effects of prenatal marijuana exposure on neonates in rural Jamaica.

Design. Ethnographic field studies and standardized neurobehavior assessments during the neonatal period.

Setting. Rural Jamaica in heavy-marijuana-using population.

Participants. Twenty-four Jamaican neonates exposed to marijuana prenatally and 20 nonexposed neonates.

Measurements and main results. Exposed and nonexposed neonates were compared at 3 days and 1 month old, using the Brazelton Neonatal Assessment Scale, including supplementary items to capture possible subtle effects. There were no significant differences between exposed and nonexposed neonates on day 3. At 1 month, the exposed neonates showed better physiological stability and required less examiner facilitation to reach organized states. The neonates of heavy-marijuana-using mothers had better scores on autonomic stability, quality of alertness, irritability, and self-regulation and were judged to be more rewarding for caregivers.

Conclusions. The absence of any differences between the exposed on nonexposed groups in the early neonatal period suggest that the better scores of exposed neonates at 1 month are traceable to the cultural positioning and social and economic characteristics of mothers using marijuana that select for the use of marijuana but also promote neonatal development. Pediatrics 1994;93:254-260; prenatal marijuana exposure, neonatal outcomes, Jamaica, Brazelton scale supplementary items.

[mzmolly]

34. You're using a single study, of 24 babies that asserts

improved "physiological stability" at 1 month? I'm sorry, but that would be laughable, if it weren't so obviously absurd.

Here's another study on the subject, which follows 655 U.S. children for three years.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8052191">Effect of prenatal marijuana exposure on the cognitive development of offspring at age three

Findings are reported on 655 women and children who were assessed at the third year. There were significant negative effects of prenatal marijuana exposure on the performance of 3-year-old children on the Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scale. The effects were associated with exposure during the first and second trimesters of pregnancy.

I suppose regardless, it could be argued that ignorance, is indeed, bliss?

[JuniperLea]

46. Oh, and I was so nervous...

Before taking my Mensa test that I smoked an entire killer doobie all by myself... and passed with flying colors.

I ate space cakes during my first pregnancy because I had lost 25 pounds in the first six months and the doctor didn't think the baby would live... and anti-morning sickness drugs caused horrible birth defects during the day.

My son is doing just fine, working on his second master's and has an IQ of 177... he's not the only whiz kid I know who was raised under these circumstances either.

[mzmolly]

50. My Mom has a Mensa level IQ.

Her mother was an alcoholic. Alcohol must be every bit as beneficial as space cakes. ;)

[JuniperLea]

45. I smoked...

My kid's a chemical engineer now... working on his second masters... and he has an IQ of 177.

I know what I was smoking; I grew it. It was 32 years ago...

[DefenseLawyer]

29. I notice you conveniently left out the raping of all the white women

and the schizophrenia. Typical.

[WinkyDink]

33. Old broads like me don't care. :-)

Although there IS a Lounge........

[Blue_In_AK]

37. My midwife gave me hits of hash

when I was in labor with my first daughter (she was born at home, obviously) and now, at 38 she's a singer in a rock 'n' roll band. The horror! :scared:

(P.S., she's also a kick-ass paralegal)

[KittyWampus]

38. So mothers taking any other drug impacts the fetus EXCEPT pot?

And you're making a tasteless stupid joke about it.

[JuniperLea]

44. I knew a lady who had horrible morning sickness for over six months...

The doctor was afraid the baby wouldn't survive as it was being starved, and there has been so many birth defects associated with anti-morning sickness drugs... the doc suggested she eat a "special" brownie, just a bite, first thing in the morning.

Well, the baby was an even 9 pounds at birth, spoke words at five months, spoke in full sentences by age 12 months, and now at age 32, he's a chemical engineer with an IQ of 177.

I'm his mother... he's alive today, probably because I ate a little space cake in the final trimester.

I don't find this OP, or this thread, tasteless at all... well, that's until I happened upon your post. Now THAT is tasteless, and pretty hateful.

[mzmolly]

51. This is the logic

in some posts, yes. :crazy:

[cynatnite]

39. Criminalize baby bong bottles! n/t

[spanone]

43. k&r

[county worker]

52. People are using Pot. Legalizing it or not that won't change.

[BolivarianHero]

53. Some of my friends make me cringe...

They've quit weed while pregnant and yet they still pollute their lungs with cigarette after cigarette. Nicotine is far worse for a baby than THC.