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county worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 03:47 PM
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Do you think our society will accept the United States becoming a 3rd world nation?
If the right has it's way, there will be no middle class left. We will have an oligarchy. There will be no safety nets. Homeless and poverty will be the norm for most of us left alive.

Can you see that happening or will better minds intervene and turn it around at some point?
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 03:49 PM
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1. CHEATERS is on now, so who cares?
:sarcasm: (As if I really needed to use this)

We are still waiting for a Great Reawakening of the American people.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 03:52 PM
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6. Age of Enlightenment 2.0 n/t
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 03:50 PM
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2. Yes and no
We already hit that in many regimes. A few we never left, and resistance will corm from the coasts.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 03:50 PM
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3. They even won't notice until stores run out of Chalupas and Diet Cokes.
:shrug:
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 03:52 PM
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5. +1 I was thinking of posting a response but ya kind of nailed my opinion on the matter.
Sad, hope I'm wrong and all that, obviously.

PB
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 03:51 PM
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4. 1/2 of us will, or maybe 1/4
The very rich will be delighted, the very poor won't notice, the republican middle class will just keep voting against themselves and the progressives will figure out how to make it anyway.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 03:54 PM
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7. They will have no choice. They may not admit it...but the rest of the world will know it,
Edited on Tue Oct-26-10 03:54 PM by BrklynLiberal
and start to treat us accordingly.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 03:58 PM
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14. Frankly, I think the US is becoming (or has become) the laughing stock of the
world.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:25 PM
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23. I have to agree...and they are not laughing WITH us...
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 03:55 PM
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8. I think a significant portion of the US has no idea what is going on and
probably does not care 'till it affects them directly. The oligarchy understands the ignorance and apathy of this country quite well. Then, when it's far too late, they will wake up and say WTF, how could this be... I think better minds want to intervene and turn it around now, but they are in the minority. Americans, as usual, are asleep at the wheel and fall for all of the propaganda fed them and many react with stupid notions as usual.

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ProfessionalLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:10 PM
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20. Exactly what RKP5637 said. n/t
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:25 PM
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24. +1000
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 03:55 PM
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9. great question...
to stay a "first world" nation we need to be wealthy.

We need to MAKE things, research, development and produce smart educated citizens.

The worst possible thing for our nation is a government check every week and a food debit card and cheap LCD TV's at Wal Mart.

Complacency breeds mediocrity.

It will be tough to turn this nation around... we would ALL LIKE to be like a Northern European nation but we don't have that kind of base starting point. We CAN'T be Finland, Sweden or Norway.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 03:57 PM
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10. I think some in our society will,more in Texas than,say,vermont.
People in my area have no interest in anything that extends beyond their driveway.Screw the nation,as long as I have mine,so to speak.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:07 PM
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17. And since I am in your area, I can vouch for that! Hell, the ONLY place I
Edited on Tue Oct-26-10 04:13 PM by Subdivisions
can find anyone who doesn't simply repeat what they heard limbaw say or who actually thinks about the issues and how to solve problems is in the local Democratic Party HQ.

Limbaw's got it all under control for them so they can simply repeat whatever he says and they're good to go off to the soccer field or the Friday night football game or the grocery store and mindlessly spew their garbage at one another. What's fun is challenging them on their BS and watching them spit and sputter, searching their cranial file cabinets for a countering limbaw quote, which is always just plain silly.

But at least the right-wingers, stupid as they are, care enough to let themselves be dummified.

The vast majority of people around these parts don't give a damn about politics or anything else beyond their own self-interests. Most are dumber than tree stumps. And, in some cases, I might be insulting the tree stumps. It's amazing to me how many people look at you with a blamk stare or like you're nuts when you try to talk about actual life issues.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 03:57 PM
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11. As long as they have bacon cheeseburgers
and a pack of smokes the dumbfucks won't even notice. And if they do get pissed what are they gonna do? They can't wheeze their way to a revolt in their Rascal scooters, now can they?
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 03:57 PM
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12. Our society is already accepting it. Hell, they've managed to mind-fuck
half the population to support it and to defend it, sometimes violently, as we've seen with the Rand Paul right-wing henchmen stomping people into street curbs.

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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 03:59 PM
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15. see,y'all...subdivisions and I experience this on a daily basis...
Edited on Tue Oct-26-10 03:59 PM by w8liftinglady
we both live in the big middle of the "I don't give a shits"
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:08 PM
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18. LOL, I responded to your post upthread too =) n/t
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 03:58 PM
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13. It already accepts the marginalization of people who do physical labor & actually produce things.
Those who are valued least are those who are essential to make our life & economy possible. If their jobs can be shipped overseas, they will be. And if they can't, then their unions are broken, their pay is reduced to below poverty levels and their very lives are threatened if they try to change things for the better.

Those who are valued to most are those who produce nothing and whose work adds nothing.

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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:05 PM
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16. The rest of it's going overseas too. There is noting sacred in doing R&D, engineering
and the like in the US. Other nations are very very smart and have people that work for a lot less. This country is working hard to become a vast wasteland IMO, and what really really PO's me is how damn ignorant this county has become. There are a lot of losers walking around that don't give a damn about the county and sadly some are politicians and the wealthy, many in all walks of life.

The loss of manufacturing in this country is ridiculous.



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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:11 PM
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21. Manufacturing wasn't "lost". That sounds like it was mislaid somewhere.
American heavy industry was deliberately dismantled - it was no accident. "Them big boys did what Hitler couldn't do."
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:19 PM
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22. Thanks!!! Excellent point!!! n/t
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:09 PM
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19. Seems our society already has accepted it.
It is happening already and has been for a while now. I don't see any major action to change it either. Seems our society already has accepted it.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:27 PM
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25. Would be still be world policeman under this scenario?
Would we still be throwing military might around? That's enough for some right wing fuckwads. Seriously.

And if we weren't, we'd save that money. A lot of the reason other Western Democracies have health care plans is they can afford it better than we can, not spending so much on the military.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:29 PM
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26. There is a choice?
Empires come to an end. Nations decline. It is an historical process.

I don't think most Americans don't think about it, and will be surpirsed.

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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 10:49 PM
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27. It looks like many in the middle class, the tea baggers, will be giving the rich a marching band as
the usa is dismantled.
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