Snowjob Just Insisted That * Never Said Saddam/Al Qaeda/911 Were Linked

[Me.]

In his press conference today Tony Snow, refuting statements in Al Gore’s book that * misled the nation by connecting Saddam/9/11/Al-Qaeda, says that * never said that.

We all know he put it out there. most of the time he inferred it and left it to the dick and condi to spell it out. What a snow job by both Ts and *. So now Al Gore is the liar, according to these people. What is the term...plausible deny-ability?

“Summary: USA Today uncritically reported President Bush's denial, during a March 20 appearance in Cleveland, Ohio, that his administration had ever claimed a direct connection between Saddam Hussein and the 9-11 terrorist attacks in making the case for war with Iraq. In addition, the article neglected to report that, in his response to an audience member's question, Bush created a straw-man argument by misrepresenting the substance of the question the attacks. In fact, Bush did claim such a connection existed, often generally and specifically in a letter to Congress at the start of the war.”cont…

Knight Ridder pointed out on March 21 that, in a letter Bush sent to Congress at the beginning of the Iraq war, the president asserted that military action was "consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001."cont…

http://mediamatters.org/items/200603220014


We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade. Some al Qaeda leaders who fled Afghanistan went to Iraq. These include one very senior al Qaeda leader who received medical treatment in Baghdad this year, and who has been associated with planning for chemical and biological attacks. We've learned that Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases." - President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat; Remarks by the President on Iraq, White House (10/7/2002) - Whitehouse.gov


"I think they're both equally important, and they're both dangerous. And as I said in my speech in Cincinnati, we will fight if need be the war on terror on two fronts. We've got plenty of capacity to do so. And I also mentioned the fact that there is a connection between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein. The war on terror, Iraq is a part on the war on terror. And he must disarm." - President Condems Attack in Bali, White House (10/14/2002) - Whitehouse.gov

e's a threat because he is dealing with Al Qaida. In my Cincinnati speech I reminded the American people, a true threat facing our country is that an Al Qaida-type network trained and armed by Saddam could attack America and leave not one fingerprint." - President Outlines Priorities, White House (11/7/2002) - BushOnIraq.gov

"Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda. Secretly, and without fingerprints, he could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or help develop their own." - President Delivers "State of the Union", White House (1/28/2003) - Whitehouse.gov


"The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11, 2001 -- and still goes on. That terrible morning, 19 evil men -- the shock troops of a hateful ideology -- gave America and the civilized world a glimpse of their ambitions. They imagined, in the words of one terrorist, that September the 11th would be the 'beginning of the end of America.' By seeking to turn our cities into killing fields, terrorists and their allies believed that they could destroy this nation's resolve, and force our retreat from the world. They have failed." - President Bush Announces Major Combat Operations in Iraq Have Ended, White House (5/1/2003) - BushOnIraq.com

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x1293

[hobbit709]

1. That statement is no longer operative

Only the current statement is operative.

[WinkyDink]

2. Then wouldn't the natural follow-up be : WHY INVADE IRAQ?

[sakabatou]

27. The told us!

Because Saddam tried to kills his Daddy.

>_<

[madrchsod]

3. right around 70% of the american people think

you guys are full of shit...tony- no one believes you guys anymore...

[bunkerbuster1]

4. Snowjob?

I thought the official nickname for Tony was Pony Blow.

Much funnier, don't you think?

[Me.]

12. Never Heard That One

what's the meaning behind it?

[bunkerbuster1]

16. Here ya go...

Laura Bush once did a bit of stand-up wherein the punch line depended on believing that the President would try to "milk" a "male horse."

"http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2005-05-01-laura-bush-comments_x.htm

I saw my in-laws down at the ranch over Easter. We like it down there. George didn't know much about ranches when we bought the place. Andover and Yale don't have a real strong ranching program. But I'm proud of George. He's learned a lot about ranching since that first year when he tried to milk the horse. What's worse, it was a male horse.

To fully appreciate how grotesque this bit of humor really was, I direct you to...
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2005/05/what-laura-bush-should-have-said-rude.html

What Laura Bush Should Have Said (Rude Version):

"Jesus Christ, yes, I'm a Desperate Housewife - I'm just tryin' to figure out which one. Maybe I'm Lynette, because I am addicted to the twins' Ritalin. No, no, that's not true- Ritalin would ruin the buzz from my Xanax/Prozac cocktail that keeps me smilin', smilin' happy all the time. Or maybe I'm Gabrielle, because, yes, I am fucking the seventeen year-old White House pool boy. No, no, that's not true, although I have been the cream in the Oreo of a Colin Powell/Rod Paige cookie. I shouldn't say that since George has been creaming on Condi's coffee for so long he can barely get it hard without me blacking my face and painting a gap between my teeth. No, no, seriously, when Condi, Lynne Cheney, and I went out one night to see the Chippendale's dancers, I've never seen a woman down as much choad as Lynne. At one point, there were so many cocks thrusting in her face that I commented that she looked like a water bowl in a snake pit. 'Oh, you better make that a python cage,' Lynne said before deep-throating one monster dick, and not her husband's. Her new Secret Service name is 'Shiny Teeth.' Oh, but I kid, I kid Lynne and, you know, it's ridiculous to say anything like that about Condi 'cause she's gay. Oh, no, she's not, at least not when she comes up for air from munching on Mary Cheney. Uh-oh, George is gonna be powerful mad that I revealed his jerk-off fantasy. Don't worry, honey, I won't tell them about the time I caught you masturbating to that picture of your mother, the one where you said you wanted to give her a pearl necklace because she wasn't wearing one. Sooo hot.

Now I know some of you think that my mother-in-law is a nice, Aunt Bea type, but she's really more like Don Corleone, if Don Corleone wanted to fuck Sonny. The first time George and I practiced makin' babies, we woke up with the head of a longhorn steer in our bed. And I'm proud to say to you and to Mama Bush that those horns are now my favorite dildos. No, no, I don't masturbate. George has told the Secret Service to shoot me if I do. George is such a control freak that the last time he was fucking me from behind he called one of my ass cheeks Iran and the other one Iraq, except he kept gettin' confused which one was which, so he turned me over and plunged into North Korea. No, no, that's not true. George wouldn't know how to find North Korea with a map and a big arrow pointing to it. It's 'cause he's so stupid, see? That's the joke. Isn't that funny? The joke's on you, on me, and now I better go 'cause I see some of Mama Bush's goons sharpening their axes to take out Spotty. Ya'll be good and, hey, Anderson Cooper, meet me backstage so I can show you the where the real Bush is."

[Me.]

23. God The Poor Horse

*'s hands all over him. Ick triple ick.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

5. First Debate: Bush: "The enemy attacked us."

...The moment came about half an hour in, when Lehrer asked Bush about his policy of preemptive war. Bush said he had "never dreamt" of starting a war before Sept. 11 -- "but the enemy attacked us, Jim."

Kerry was on it, and his response was devastating. "The president just said something extraordinarily revealing and frankly very important in this debate," Kerry said. "In answer to your question about Iraq and sending people into Iraq, he just said, 'The enemy attacked us.' Saddam Hussein didn't attack us. Osama bin Laden attacked us. Al-Qaida attacked us. And when we had Osama bin Laden cornered in the mountains of Tora Bora, 1,000 of his cohorts with him in those mountains, with the American military forces nearby and in the field, we didn't use the best trained troops in the world to go kill the world's number one criminal and terrorist ... That's the enemy that attacked us. That's the enemy that was allowed to walk out of those mountains."

Bush had no response, at least no intelligent one. "Of course I know Osama bin Laden attacked us," he said. "I know that." But it wasn't so clear sometimes that Bush did know that. Earlier in the debate, he had mixed up Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden and had to stop to correct himself....

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/10/01/debates/index.html

[Me.]

10. Excellent

very excellent quote

[paparush]

18. I remember that moment SO clearly. Kerry nailed his ass to the wall,

and all Bush could do was pout and rant...I know that! of course I know that..

[karynnj]

28. Bush had aid this so often, that it didn't even sound out of the ordinary

Kerry's response - especially as he paused slightly after the first sentence - to give the response even greater weight was devastating.

The reaction of the 20 or so people I was with was applause and cheers. Someone mentioned that they saw why Kerry was as good as people said as a prosecutor.

Bush looked like he didn't know what hit him - and almost as clueless as when in the third debate he disputed Kerry's exact quote of Bush saying that he didn't think about OBL - and said it was another of Kerry's exaggerations. (I guess temporarily forgetting that that was their Al Gore lie, not their Kerry lie.)

[Lobster Martini]

6. Right. No one in the administration said that. Lazy media.

Right. It’s that darned irresponsible media underreporting the fact that Cheney never said that thing he said in 2004 about that irresponsible media underreporting the “overwhelming evidence of a link between Iraq and al-Qaeda. Never said this:

Cheney blasts media on al Qaeda-Iraq link
Says media not 'doing their homework' in reporting ties
Friday, June 18, 2004 Posted: 2:25 AM EDT (0625 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Vice President Dick Cheney said Thursday the evidence is "overwhelming" that al Qaeda had a relationship with Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq, and he said media reports suggesting that the 9/11 commission has reached a contradictory conclusion were "irresponsible."

"There clearly was a relationship. It's been testified to. The evidence is overwhelming," Cheney said in an interview with CNBC's "Capitol Report."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/18/cheney.iraq.al.qaeda/

[Me.]

11. Ah, There's The Rub You See According To Snow

Cheney may have said it but * never did, and therefore Al Gore is a liar

[Lobster Martini]

15. True, but W. certainly made the Iraq-al-Qaeda connection

You are correct; W. may not have made a direct connection between Iraq and 9/11, but it was certainly implied. Snowjob can't deny tht W. linked Iraq and al-Qaeda, even though he'll probably try anyway.

Bush insists Iraq, al Qaeda had 'relationship'

<snip>

Bush, in a brief appearance before reporters, was asked why the administration insists that Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda had a relationship "when even you have denied any connection between Saddam and September 11, and now the September 11 commission says that there was no collaborative relationship at all?"

The president answered: ”The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda, because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda."

<snip>

In the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq, Bush had made stronger statements alleging cooperation between Iraq and al Qaeda. In a October 2002 speech, he said, "Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/17/Bush.alqaeda/

[librechik]

7. "over and over and over" (note: i.e., exactly 3 times)

"what is wrong with you people?? The president keeps telling you Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 and yet you still believe he did it!"

Is this guy for real???

[MasonJar]

8. We should fill up Tony's e-mail box with these proofs.

[DemGa]

9. Bushco word games

"I was very careful never to say that Saddam Hussein ordered the attacks on America." George Bush

http://mediamatters.org/items/200603220001?offset=20&show=1

[dogday]

13. That's what videos are for

If Keith picks this up, you know he will show all the times that Shrub and Dead-Eye said this exact thing....

[Me.]

21. That's What I'm Hoping For

the whole thing is a sham, we all know he did it. Now they're going to parse him for the history books.

[driver8]

14. Hell...the sheeple won't remember what pissypants said.

Those of us who do remember never get to be heard...

These people can say whatever they want and most people just don't give a fuck.

[lpbk2713]

17. He sounds just like a gopper on the campaign trail ....

lie ... distort ... deny ... exaggerate.


And repeat a lie often enough and loud enough and soon enough it becomes accepted as the truth.


Right out of the rethuglicant campaign handbook.

[MiniMe]

19. You would think that they would have learned about video tape by now

[jtrockville]

20. Maybe he had his goons destroy all the tape?

[Rainbowreflect]

22. I don't think he ever said it directly.

He implied, linked, inferred and included them together over and over again. That IMHO is worse because it shows that he knew all along it was not true so he tried to cover his butt by not saying it directly knowing everything he said implied it.

[tuvor]

25. Is this direct enough?: "There's no question that Saddam Hussein had al Qaeda ties."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/09/20030917-7.html

[Me.]

29. This?

" Q Mr. President, Dr. Rice and Secretary Rumsfeld both said yesterday that they have seen no evidence that Iraq had anything to do with September 11th. Yet, on Meet the Press, Sunday, the Vice President said Iraq was a geographic base for the terrorists and he also said, I don't know, or we don't know, when asked if there was any involvement. Your critics say that this is some effort -- deliberate effort to blur the line and confuse people. How would you answer that?

THE PRESIDENT: We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the September 11th. What the Vice President said was, is that he has been involved with al Qaeda. And al Zarqawi, al Qaeda operative, was in Baghdad. He's the guy that ordered the killing of a U.S. diplomat. He's a man who is still running loose, involved with the poisons network, involved with Ansar al-Islam. There's no question that Saddam Hussein had al Qaeda ties."

The problem is that while's it's a great quote, what Snow is saying is that * never said there was a connection between Saddam and 9/11. And i can't find a quote at the moment where he says it full out without hinting or inference, It was certainly inferred, and his surrogates said it all the time. When asked about Cheney's comments to that effect, Snow seemed to imply there is a world of difference between * and Cheney. I'm sure most Americans when they hear this will be thinking, of course he said it. We all know this is complete bs, but this is the way they are beginning to try and swiftboat AL and his book. I wonder if it will be brought up on Larry King tonight. We have got to knock these people down.

[tuvor]

26. "The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda..."

"...because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50679-2004Jun17.html

[LSK]

24. 2002 Cincinnati Speech

If the Iraqi regime is able to produce, buy, or steal an amount of highly enriched uranium a little larger than a single softball, it could have a nuclear weapon in less than a year. And if we allow that to happen, a terrible line would be crossed. Saddam Hussein would be in a position to blackmail anyone who opposes his aggression. He would be in a position to dominate the Middle East. He would be in a position to threaten America. And Saddam Hussein would be in a position to pass nuclear technology to terrorists.

Some citizens wonder, after 11 years of living with this problem, why do we need to confront it now? And there's a reason. We've experienced the horror of September the 11th. We have seen that those who hate America are willing to crash airplanes into buildings full of innocent people. Our enemies would be no less willing, in fact, they would be eager, to use biological or chemical, or a nuclear weapon.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html

[spanone]

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[Me.]

31. 'Zactly

what a visual!

[Me.]

32. There May Be A Hint Of An Answer From Gore Himself

The Gore response to Snow said Gore's book has been fact checked, unlike *'s SOTU speech