Let's just quit this fucking "dog and pony show" right now.

[Joe Fields]

What the fuck good is it to have all these hearing, these investigations, if no one is forced to resign their high office, if Pelosi and other dems are too timid to draw up articles of impeachment. What the fuck is all this for, then? It just seems like one big dog and pony show to me.

With a lengthy laundry list of misdeeds and missteps, dems AND republicans should be shouting "Off with their heads," at the entire administration. But for the dem leader to tell us that Bush "isn't worth it.." It makes me want to puke, give up and just say, cut the fucking act and just let the administration continue to rape, pillage and plunder this country to your heart's content. I'll just find a nice little cave to live in...

[bunkerbuster1]

1. How old are you?

Believe it or not, this matters.

[Joe Fields]

3. fifty years old, why?

[bunkerbuster1]

17. Close to my age, then.

Do you remember how long it took to bring Dick Nixon down?

I only ask because, in fact, we had a solid Democratic majority in the House and Senate back in '73-'74, and it took many months of investigations, and some very solid evidence, to force an somewhat principled President into resigning.

It's only been a few months since Pelosi and Reid assumed control, and in the latter case, very tentative control over the Senate. I want them to claim a scalp soon--in particular, I want them to impeach Abu Gonzo NOW.

But the President? it's debatable how useful an impeachment would be right now.

[Joe Fields]

21. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Pelosi say that she isn't interested

in impeaching Bush? And I don't mean to sound condescending, but Nixon didn't have all of his bases covered right on down the line, as this administration does, and has for some time. This is a rigged game they are playing, pure and simple.

[bobbie]

29. You're right

Pure and simple.

The fact is Nixon was toppled by a government coup that formed when they no longer liked his policies.
He was starting to fret about his legacy and (gasp) talk peace with the countries targeted by war profiteers. Yeah he was a murdered and a crook, but that's not what did him in. What did him in was going against the military industrial complex script.

Pelosi is not making that mistake.

Anyone who thinks we are being represented in DC is deluded.

[mmonk]

5. The administration seems to have control of justice.

They aren't going to resign until they feel there are consequences. This isn't the Nixon administration.

[Jim Warren]

9. Control of Justice, you betcha

That's why they're hanging onto Gonzo till the bitter end.

[Exiled in America]

12. LOL this matters a grand total of ZERO. And I'm bet I'm older than you are, sonny.

[Joe Fields]

14. I'm sure you and I can remember, (at least I can remember)

when a scandal was a scandal, and consequences were served. But we have lowered our standards and expectations of our leaders to the point where almost anything goes. All this, and with a democratically controlled congress we still wring our hands and worry about how it might look to the voters, when it comes time for re-election? I say bullshit. And to Nancy Pelosi I say Fuck Ewe!

[bunkerbuster1]

18. I'm looking at the half-century mark.

I remember Watergate, and I remember especially the day that it was revealed that there were taped conversations in the White House and how I said at the time, as a teen-ager, that we had those bastards nailed to the wall.

I don't know that we have the current set of bastards nailed to the wall. I'd like to think we do, but the Gooper holdouts suggest otherwise.

[TahitiNut]

2. Maybe labor should have a National Strike?

Oh, wait. We don't do that here. Oh well. :puke:

[NightWatcher]

4. gosh no, we might miss Idol tonight

as long as we are on our asses, we will never get on our feet.

[Joe Fields]

7. good point, they've lulled us into a stupor

not only that, they have intimidated the hell out of any credible protest movement.

[Louis Cipher]

11. You bring up a good point.

The internet is supposed to be this great tool of communication, but what has it really done? Aloud people to bitch and whine while they essentially sit around and do nothing. The internet should be a razor sharp knife that we are using to network people and get out in the streets at a moments notice. It's being done some but it's potential to give the power back to the people is far greater than how it is currently being used.

Don't bother pointing out the irony of this post, that point is moot.

[NightWatcher]

13. if we are not dumbed down, we are too tired from work to care

my step mom is a nurse and she works 12 hour days. She has no energy for news when the day is through. She buys gas because she needs to drive to work and home again. She is too tired to think about the things of which we speak here in DU.

[Deja Q]

30. The immigrants did the same huff and puff some time ago, to show their value.

Guess what never happened either?

People are holding on because they do know we're a dead-end country, no longer economically viable in this so-called 'globalized' world. So they're going to live it as long as they can, knowing at some point it's going to collapse.

Maybe the new world order will be somewhat benevolent.

But if I have to repeat that the only way to make the global economy truly global is to be equal with both cost of living AND wages, I will. People don't seem to understand that, and it's the high costs in the US that makes us bad to invest in right now. Equalize the wages AND living costs India and China have and voila: We'd have a booming middle class again too, just like how theirs have boomed. It's quite simple, really.

[blm]

6. I agree - it was a very bad precedent set early in 1993 - expected from Ford when he

took office and dropped all the outstanding matters from Nixon WH, but definitely a wrongheaded move by Clinton when Reagan and Bush were so close to being exposed FINALLY in full.

Parry discusses that very point in his article

Hey Democrats, Truth Matters.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/051006.html

[Joe Fields]

10. thanks for the link.

[blm]

28. IMO, Parry's article is one of the most important post9-11 pieces ever written.

It really blows the lid off the entire 'bi-partisan, let's move on' bullshit that has been going on for far too long.

[abb9]

16. Its Immoral

I believe the problem is that too many Americans take the Immoral and hypocritical stance of the 'My Country Right or Wrong motto,and that we must stand behind our President no matter what.
The Dem's are afraid of the truth,so they dint want to be seen as unpatriotic and anti American.
Reality is Truth and justice are not Un American,it is Universal.

By not bringing this renegade and Tyrannical regime to heel,the Democrats are ab-ling and abetting evil doers,and are denying truth and justice to reign.
Seems to me they really like that fact we might be fighting wars for eternity

As a disabled Viet Nam infantry vet draftee with the 1st cav 5/7 air Mobile civ.I was in Ashau Valley and Hamburger hill,in 1969,who has had to watch Bush/cheney and along with the rest of their spineless,warmongering,draft dodging Cabal,now illegally in the white house who,ducked danced,and glided, their way to achieve numerous frivolous deferments,to stay out of Viet Nam,and who now are more than willing to send other peoples kids and family members to die in Iraq for OIL.

I also have been extremely upset with the do nothing democrats who told us before the last election that they were going take our country back from these tyrants,stop the war,and restore our rights and freedoms,but instead,has so far caved in to every one of theses criminals demands.
It is disheartening

[Joe Fields]

22. god bless you. if you haven't been before, let me welcome you...

[blm]

27. The ones who DO want the fight and the uncovering of BushInc get undermined

by those who hold sway over the overall party, and THAT is something we on the left have to deal with more aggressively, imo.

Because you are RIGHT - not holding BushInc accountable IS IMMORAL.

[Oreo]

8. The hearings have lead to how many resignations in the DOJ?

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=doj+resignation&btnG=Search+News

I'm enjoying watching the show. Especially looking forward to Monica tomorrow.
Having Gonzo around keeps the story alive and leads to more dirt coming to the surface.
I want Paulose in MN to resign and it's not going to happen if Gonzo goes. The focus would then
shift on hiring another AG and his/her confirmation hearings. (which in itself will be better than the super bowl to me)

[NightWatcher]

19. the only resignations have been of hapless middlemen

the true movers and shakers are still in charge

[Joe Fields]

24. Only by pressure being placed on them, by the administration,

to be good little soldiers and take the hit, so that Bush can keep Gonzo in place. In the meantime, the dems wring their hands, saying, "whatever are we to do? We may issue subpoeneas, but we won't serve them, to get what documents we need."

So what the fuck good is all of this? It's just a rigged game. Never in my life have I seen such brazen in-your-face behavior by publically elected officials and their appointees. This whole process is a scandal unto itself!

[Exiled in America]

15. The mistake people keep making is believe America is any sort of democracy.

The Democratic party, of which I am a member despite my sadness, won't "save" America, because institutionally, it is just as much a part of the problem. There are some good people in the party - and we know we are more likely to find good people in the Dem. Party than in the Republican one.

But that doesn't change the fact that on the whole, the party as an institution is playing the same game of power seeking that every other politician or political group is playing. The simple fact is that doing what's right is almost never easy. It is almost never simple, and almost never without political risk. But the leadership and many of the representatives in the democratic party - just like the other side - care more about their own jobs and their continued place of clout and influence than they do about doing what they know to be morally right.

So "right" only gets done if it is ALSO judged to be good for "business" - i.e. the business of career politics.

If it is deemed to be "risky" to ones power, then you can forget about it. That is why impeachment will never happen and the administration WILL continue to rape pillage and plunder all the way until its last day in office - unstopped by the "new" Congress.

[earth mom]

20. I don't see the dems as timid-I see them as complicit. With BLOOD on their hands.

:grr:

[Joe Fields]

23. I do see them as being timid, but their timidity = complicity, and so

to a large degree I agree with you. The bottom line is that yes, they DO by god have blood on their hands.

[jerryme1]

25. Sadly, our leaders care more about being reelected -- Bottom line.

[Joe Fields]

26. while the world goes to hell, justice goes unserved, and we

careen toward irrelevance, and the political status of a banana republic.