How will CA Prop 19 effect me? You? (legalize it???)

[Bennyboy]

How Will Prop 19 Affect Me?
How will Prop 19 affect you?

• Are you age 18-20? You will not be allowed to consume cannabis legally under Prop 19. Currently, all you need is a medical recommendation to do so.

• Do you interact with anyone under age of 21? You will be looking at up to 6 months in jail for passing them a joint. (If the person is under 18 you will be looking at up to 7 years in prison.)

• Do you live in the same "space" as a minor? (Space could mean anything from the same house to an entire apartment complex.) You will not be allowed to consume cannabis.

• Do you rent your home? Prop 19 will only allow you to grow cannabis if you have permission from your landlord. Due to the risks involved, many (if not most) California landlords do not allow it. How is this legalization?

• Do you grow cannabis with a doctor recommendation? Prop 19 will likely be interpreted by law enforcement and judges to limit your grow space to 5′x5′.

• Do you provide your extra medical cannabis to dispensaries? It will be a crime to do so if Prop 19 passes. In addition, large Oakland growers and tobacco companies will take control of the market and push you out.

• Do you currently have to use your medical cannabis anywhere but home? Prop 19 will prevent patients from using their medicine anywhere in pubic. Which for many people with illnesses is not always possible.

• Do you sell your extra medical cannabis to other medical patients? Prop 19 will make this practice illegal. Even if you are only selling it to cover your growing cost.

• Do you currently enjoy the use of cannabis free from Government interference? Not only will the Government impose excessive taxes under Prop 19, but the federal government will likely respond with unprecedented action against California cannabis users. "The federal Controlled Substances Act makes it a felony to grow or sell cannabis. California can repeal its own marijuana laws, leaving enforcement to the feds. But it can’t legalize a federal felony. Therefore, any grower or seller paying California taxes on marijuana sales or filing pot-related California regulatory paperwork would be confessing, in writing, to multiple federal crimes."

[county worker]

1. Geez! look a gift horse in the mouth much?

[slackmaster]

2. People will keep using it, just as they are using it now

Do you currently enjoy the use of cannabis free from Government interference?

Government interference happens only if you allow it to. The environment is oppressive, of course, but 19 is a big step in the right direction.

The biggest downside I see from it is that counties or cities that decide to tax commerce and license dealers, will end up spending as much or more on tax code enforcement as they do now on the criminal codes.

[lunatica]

3. Read up on hemp and then pass judgement

Without legalizing Marijuana hemp won't be legalized either.

[ixion]

4. "Do you currently enjoy the use of cannabis free from Government interference?"

Seriously, is that a rhetorical question?

That is to say: Are you nutz? There are a dozen different agencies out there, State/Federal and local that enjoy nothing more than "interfering" a.k.a. RUINING people's lives for smoking a joint.

[DFab420]

5. Sorry but...

Are you currently any age in California without a medical prescription for cannabis? (Then you are breaking the law)

DO you interact with anyone under the age of 110? Because right now any age is illegal for weed..

Do you live in a space with minors? (then you probably shouldn't be smoking cannabis around them anyways).

Do you rent your apt? (Then right now you can grow illegally in you apt without permission...what would stop them from doing it anyways?

Do you grow your own cannabis for medical use? then a 25 square foot space is plenty enough since each plant produces one to two POUNDS per harvest..

Do you provide cannabis to medical dispensaries? Depending on which law enforcement agency is involved you are still breaking the law right now...

Do you currently use cannabis medically anywhere but home? The Prop19 law makes exceptions for Prop 215 as well as SB 420..soo that's just false...

I currently enjoy cannabis use everyday without government interference. I will continue to use it after Prop 19 passes, knowing that I am no longer in danger of facing jail time for possession. ALSO I will enjoy it more knowin the amount of money that my state is making from: Taxes, Less Prison population, less police focus on cannabis users, less money for south of the boarder drug cartels....

I mean honestly your argument against it is pretty weak compared to the benefits of ending prohibition.. ..

[Lance_Boyle]

10. 1 to 2 pounds per harvest per plant?

Are you growing Cannabis Sequoia???

A quarter to a half pound per plant per harvest is reasonable for indoor ops. Maybe outside you could get a pound or two, but only once per year, so it's a wash.

That said, 5' x 5' is space enough for 4 or 5 plants indoors, so this limitation is essentially meaningless for bona fide "personal use" growers.

[DFab420]

12. You are right

I might of gotten a bit carried away haha. But yea a 2oz - 4 oz dried, depending on skill, seeds, lights etc, for and indoor op is usually expected.


Again you are right by saying 4-5 plants is more then enough for personal use...

[Bennyboy]

17. 3 to 5 lb outdoor is not unusual...

and one plant of that size will not in any way fit in a 25 sq ft space.

[Lance_Boyle]

23. The restriction is stem space, not branch space.

5'x5' (25 square feet) is a 2-dimensional area of ground space (or floor space indoors). There is no dimension of height to the restriction. They would have to specify 5'x5'x?' for that. So assuming you mean that the large outdoor plant has branches that extend more than 2.5' from the stalk, that doesn't matter.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

6. Until the Federal laws are changed, state intiatives will have little impact

Also do not forget on the job drug testing. You will still be able to be fired in if you pop positive.

[DFab420]

11. Actually that's not the case

If you are high at work then of course you can be dismissed, just like you could be if you were drunk...

However There is also language in the measure prohibiting employers from “discriminating” against marijuana users, or denying them “any right or privilege”.

from:
http://sfvbj.com/news/2010/oct/25/proposition-19-presents-many-challenges-employers/


So this is also as misleading as the OP...

[ProgressiveProfessor]

20. That will be an interesting court test

Some drugs stay in your system and are detectable much longer than others. Not sure how long that is for pot. However, any detectable amount in employer testing and you are out/not hired. Be some interesting test cases and any number of people on the street before that happens. Clearly some sort of Federal level changes are needed.

[RainDog]

22. yes, quite a few lies regurgitated here

the language of prop 19 states that it does not in any way override the provisions of the current medical marijuana law for those who have a prescription - either at this time or after prop 19 passes.

this includes the amt. of mj a medical user may have on them at any time.

the language of the prop also states that the ounce limit is outside of someone's home but does not preclude someone from having ALL of the cannabis they have EVER grown in their home while in their home (for those who freeze it in order to stop the breakdown of THC that occurs as soon as it is harvested.)

as you note, prop 19 also notes that all provisions that currently exist for employers to prohibit intoxication while on the job continue to apply.

this op is about small growers who are afraid they are going to be cut out of the market. bennyboy has already noted that he is opposed because of his own financial issues. as I said to him before, his own financial circumstances do not seem to be adequate reason to continue to put people in prison.

legalization may also drastically reduce the market price of cannabis.

it's sort of strange to see cannabis activists and the DEA in bed together.

[LawnLover]

7. Sounds to me as if you're afraid

prices will go down.

Are you from Humboldt County by any chance?

[Bennyboy]

18. They won't come down and I don't care about that anyway...

It still takes a great deal of skill and knowledge to grow high quality cannabis. And a lot of work, so the growers will see a small reduction in pricing but not as drastic as feared.

I do not live in Humboldt (as if that is the ONLY place in CA where cannabis is grown).

Actually if legal I stand to make MUCH MORE money in my cannabis niche...

[walldude]

8. Wow.. so legalizing is going to make it worse.

Thank you for this informative post. Had you not told me I would have assumed people would be willing to put up with a few regulations to avoid prison. I must have been stoned.

[B Calm]

13. Maybe he works for Budweiser? The alcohol industry is spending millions

to defeat this!

[lunatica]

9. Those who don't smoke it now won't do so after prop 19 passes

All your arguments are groundless because the only thing that'll change in the use of pot is the law.

[B Calm]

14. The day I retire I'm planning a nice vacation to California. I haven't

smoked pot in over 15 years, but only because my job does drug testing.

California tourist industry would benefit greatly by legalizing weed.

[Alexander]

15. Worst hit-and-tun, epic fail of an OP ever.

[Life Long Dem]

16. You read things into the law that is not even there.

Giving a minor a beer is also illegal.

Living with children doesn't make things illegal. You just don't do it in the presence of children.

You don't need to ask the landlord. Show me where it says you must.

This law won't override medical pot laws.

How will it become a crime to provide cannabis to dispensaries with prop 19? Nothing will change and you still need a license to sell.

Federal laws won't change regardless of whether prop 19 is passed or not.

[Bennyboy]

19. The Prop 19 cartel...

he Prop 19 Cartel
car•tel |kärˈtel|
noun
an association of manufacturers or suppliers with the purpose of maintaining prices at a high level and restricting competition

Proposition 19: Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010
Brought to you by "The Prop 19 Cartel" (aka S.K. Seymour LLC, Oaksterdam University, and cannabis millionaire Richard Lee)

On the surface, Proposition 19 will allow California residents to vote on the legalization of cannabis for recreational purposes. According to the company behind the initiative, however, the primary purpose is to control cannabis like alcohol while providing tax funds to the government.

The Prop 19 Cartel openly admits that by voting yes, you will be creating new "strict penalties" related to the use of cannabis. Why would a law that claims to legalize cannabis create new crimes and new "strict penalties"? It’s simple, the people behind Prop 19 don’t care about cannabis users, they only care about increasing their profits.

Background:
– The Prop 19 Cartel spent $1.4 million to place Prop 19 on November’s ballot.
– The Prop 19 Cartel has close ties to Oakland’s political machine which has granted them large scale growing permits.
- Conveniently for the Cartel, Prop 19 only allows for the purchase of cannabis from licensed dispensaries (the Cartel currently owns two).

Prop 19 allows individual cities to grant large scale cannabis production permits. Why? The Prop 19 Cartel knows that the VAST MAJORITY of California cities will not grant these permits. This will make their operations in Oakland an extremely profitable monopoly. The Prop 19 Cartel also stands to greatly increase profits at their cannabis growing school, Oaksterdam University.

So why should you care? After all, weed will be legal right? Wrong! Cannabis already is legal in California. All you need is a medical recommendation for no age limits, no growing limits, no big corporations, no excessive taxes, and no crackdown from the Feds. Just readily available, high quality medical cannabis.

And even without a doctor’s recommendation, possession of less than an ounce in California is no more serious than a speeding ticket. Considering Prop 19 only allows you to have up to an ounce, what exactly is the advantage for cannabis users? You guessed it, there is no advantage. The only advantage is for the Prop 19 Cartel.

Want to read Prop 19 for yourself? Download the PDF http://70.32.87.43/documents/initiative.pdf
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[dionysus]

26. it's not working.. try better next time.

[girl gone mad]

21. Duly not noted.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. None, and i will vote for it

[dionysus]

25. someone smoked an extra big bowl of trollios today...