A question concerning Nancy Pelosi

[Bill219]

I just got back from voting and was outside talking to 2 of my neighbors who are Independents. The both claim not to like Nancy because they said that after "Obama's "Bailout" was passed Nancy gave a hyper-partisan speech that they felt should not have been given.

I told them that I did not remember her giving a speech like that and also had to remind them that the TARP bailout was passed on George W Bush's watch. They looked at me like I had two heads.

Anybody know what the hell they were talking about concerning her speech?

[gateley]

1. No, but Nancy doesn't shrink from calling out the Republicans, which is one of

the reasons I like her, so I wouldn't be surprised.

And, what's wrong with a partisan speech? They do it all the time. Do they dislike Mitch McConnell, too?

And good point about TARP being Bush's thing. :thumbsup:

[joeybee12]

2. Simple...she's a woman...

women are still treated unfairly...they're not supposed to act like men and be powerful.

[babylonsister]

3. Did they offer any further details? I thought not. Here's probably

what they were talking about. They've been told to be angry at her, so they are. Oh, and she took the rethugs to the woodshed while she was at it. :D

I also wonder how independent your neighbors really are. If you believe that, maybe this article will be helpful to them.



Republicans accuse speaker of shattering fragile bail-out deal

Democrat Pelosi's blunt assessment blamed for turning vote


Angry Republican leaders blamed Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic Speaker of the House of Representatives, last night for shattering a mood of bipartisan cooperation and destroying the US government's $700bn financial bail-out package.

Keen to shake off responsibility for failing to deliver votes from their own members, embarrassed Republicans said a feisty speech by Pelosi had been so offensive that some of their number shifted sides and voted against the plan at the last moment.

"I do believe we could have got there today, had it not been for this partisan speech that the Speaker gave on the floor of the House," said John Boehner, the Republican leader in the House.

A 68-year-old San Francisco liberal, Pelosi is known for being outspoken: in the past, she has raised eyebrows by bluntly describing George Bush as "incompetent".

In her speech to the House yesterday, she delivered a broadside against seven years of "budgetary recklessness" by the White House for creating America's economic mess.

"When was the last time someone asked you for $700bn?" she asked.

"It is a number that is staggering, but tells us only the costs of the Bush administration's failed economic policies - policies built on budgetary recklessness, on an anything goes mentality with no regulation, no supervision and no discipline in the system."

Pulling few punches, Pelosi said her party believed in the free market - but the market had "created chaos" because it had been left entirely to its own devices.

"It is our responsibility today to help avert that catastrophic outcome," she said.

more...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/30/congress.wallstreet

[texastoast]

4. What is with the stupids forgetting that TARP and the implosion WAS ON BUSH'S WATCH?

BUSH gave us this steaming pile. It's the Republicans who have dumped on America. How quickly they forget fucking EVERYTHING!

[EFerrari]

5. Ask them how many times they objected to the Republican speaker

(it was the cat killer, wasn't it?) praise Bush's legislation when they controlled the House. It's customary for the Speaker to make a statement after major legislation is passed.

(And it was Bush's bailout and Obama's stimulus, afaik.)

[MikeMc]

6. Yes. They are talking about this:

In late September of '08, McCain was running for bush's third term. 'The fundamentals of our economy are sound', he said, right before the economic crash. His campaign's top economic adviser was Phil Gramm, Senate repug from TX. Gramm was the guy that had sponsored the Gramm Leach Blyly Act, which de-regulated the banks, insurance companies, and investment brokers. You know, "Whiner" Gramm, who said Americans that were upset about the economy were in a 'mental depression', and Americans had turned into a 'nation of whiners'. Gramm said this ~ July of '08.

McCain the Senator had voted with bush on economic deregulation 95 % of the time, and that deregulation caused the recession. And the rubberstamp repugs in the US House of Reps had voted with l'il bush 95 % of the time, during both bush terms.

McCain and his campaign did not repudiated one of bush's deregulation moves, before or after the 2008 economic disaster. McCain, bush, and the House Repugs made this mess together, which could still put us in a Depression. The swinish bush family has worked for the banking Morgan, Mellon, and Rockefeller families since before the last depression. The banks that are currently loaning us the money (with huge interest payments due) to get out of bush's mess, and that are getting billions of dollars in bailout money from us, simultaneously.

Sooo, in September of '08, bush begged the House Dems to come to an economic conference to fix his mess, and McCain used this as an excuse to try to slime his way out of the presidential debate, since he was rushing back to DC to 'fix' the mess, and 'it was time to put partisan politics aside'. He wound up debating after the media called 'bullshit' on his little game.

L'il bush's Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson got down on his knees (literally!) to Speaker Pelosi and the House Democrats to keep them on board with bush's financial bailout deal, after repug House members walked out.

After all the low comedy the repugs could perform on stage, the rubberstamp repug congress (2/3 of House Repugs) and McCain decide to vote against the deal, a 1.5 trillion dollar bailout, half of which was spent under l'il bush. Those 'no' votes are the financial recovery measures that McCain 'accomplished', when he rushed to DC to meet with House repugs (Notice he did not meet with Senate repugs, his colleagues).

For the first time in 8 years, McCain and the repug house disagreed with bush. Repug Minority Leader Boehner (OH), blamed the vote against it on an ‘extremely partisan’ speech that Speaker Pelosi gave before the vote (this is reminiscent of the hissy fit that former repug Speaker of the House Gingrich threw because he was treated poorly by Clinton on Air Force One. So he and the repugs shut down the government.)

In other words, the guys that spent 8 years kissing bush’s ass took extreme umbrage at the woman whose ass bush was currently kissing, because of an 'extremely partisan' speech, so they weren’t going to kiss bush’s ass anymore. Therefore, the economic crisis became 'the Dems fault'. The economic catastrophe and the resulting bailout that bush Treasury Sec. Hank Paulson begged for on his knees -- those became the Dems' fault. The repug's opposition to the first half ($750 billion) of the bailout caused the Dow to suffer the biggest one day drop in history.

McCain then ran campaign ads saying that Obama was mum on the economic crisis, or Obama didn't have a plan to deal with the economic crisis. These ads ran just days after Obama ran ads, where he talked to voters on camera, about the economy. Next, McCain ran ads saying that Obama would cost us a trillion dollars (with the plan McCain said didn't exist). Keep in mind that the economic policies of bush, McCain, and the House Repugs had already cost US taxpayers $4.7 trillion in national debt, during the last 8 years of bush economic stewardship, (not including $3 trillion in projected costs for the Iraq War).

Again, for the first time in 8 years, McCain and the repug house disagreed with bush. Speaker Pelosi's 'extremely partisan' speech, which she gave when delivering the bailout, that the bush Admin begged for on bended knee -- that caused all of America's economic problems.

The total national debt, at that point, was 10.4 trillion. That amount was accrued by every US presidential administration in history put together, and repug Presidents Reagan and Poppy had contributed 3 trillion. L'il bush and the repug House and Senate gave us 4.7 trillion in debt, during the '01 to '08 period, with no spending bills vetoed.

The bush repug tax cuts for the richest mellon, rockefeller, and morgans had not led to the economic prosperity that bush, McCain, and the House repugs said would occur. But McCain and the House Repugs are still not backing down on making them permanant. It is still the primary focus of their economic plan. That, and 'deregulation did not go far enough.'

[slipslidingaway]

7. Bush proposed the bailout, but more Dems voted for the bailout. n/t