Ugandan Parliament member: Death penalty for gays needed to protect the traditional family

[Amerigo Vespucci]

Kampala, Uganda (CNN) -- The member of the Ugandan Parliament behind a controversial "anti-gay" bill that would call for stiff penalties against homosexuality -- including life imprisonment and the death penalty -- says that the bill will become law "soon."

"We are very confident," David Bahati told CNN, "because this is a piece of legislation that is needed in this country to protect the traditional family here in Africa, and also protect the future of our children."

Governments that have donated aid to Uganda and human rights groups applied massive pressure since the bill was proposed a year ago, and most believed that the bill had been since shelved.

Not so, says Bahati, adding, "Every single day of my life now I am still pushing that it passes."

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/10/27/uganda.antigay.bill/?hpt=C1

[Renew Deal]

1. Obama should cruise missle this a***ole

And see if he still thinks it's OK to kill people in the name of safety.

[HillbillyBob]

2. The Theofascist from our own governments C Street house/ Family

at work. The same sentiments that brought us the Holocaust, and this disease spreads amputation is the only cure.

[customerserviceguy]

5. Yep, it's pretty much

the same rationale that the reich wing has against equal marriage. And just as groundless.

[CommonSensePLZ]

3. This guy's full of CRAP

Wanna protect African children? Then get them OUT of Africa! Maybe instead do something about the horrific violence, routine ethnic cleansings, corrupt governments and lack of good school systems.

I think every culture will agree that whatever the common local religion killing someone is more evil than their romantic lifestyle choice.

A man of his stature probably has the money to go to first world countries where we accept people's differences, and see that it doesn't hurt the children or the concept of family, just expands them.

He should be smart and sophisticated enough not to encourage more needless killing and be a better example for his people. I know cultures have different beliefs, but this just isn't right and it's not going to encourage developed nations to take Uganda seriously or to respect them.

[sam sarrha]

6. link>>

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/10/ugandan-gays-attack-outed-newspaper/

"..The Ugandan tabloid Rolling Stone (no relation to the US magazine) published the first part of a list of Uganda's 100 "top homos" earlier this week. The inside page where the story ran featured the headline "Hang Them." The paper has so far published 15 names, with promises of more to come..."

[Bluenorthwest]

4. American Evangelicals are up to their eyebrows in this as well

some of them with ties to the WH and other major politicians. It is a Christian thing, of course, and a tradition thing, God is in the mix, and Bahati is evolving, no doubt.
They are the new Nazis, Bahati and company. Pure evil.

[Bobbieo]

7. How well does this country treat its women?

[Withywindle]

12. About as well as you'd expect.

The "traditional family" this guy wants to fight for involves a lot of rape, child marriage, and very little if any education for women.

The two are intimately linked, because a paranoid sense of the need to defend "traditional" practices that translate to extreme patriarchy are always about elevating some kind of idea of the "pure" male as rightful head of society, and all women as lesser and all "gender traitors" as abominations to eliminate In this mindset, gay men are never seen as "real" men but as some kind of girl-cooties-bearing freak of nature.

Not much different from the kind of violent abuse happening on middle-school playgrounds in the US today, really--it's just that these people want to enshrine their superstitions into the law of the land, with the power to kill approved.

[Initech]

8. Xtian fundamentalist insanity isn't just limited to America.

[Toucano]

11. Polly wants his cracker

He's a parrot, repeating what he's been told by fundies in the U.S.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

17. That's like saying that water isn't just limited to the Rocky mountains.

Right-wing Christian insanity is much more prevalent in Africa than in the West.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

20. The West has functional states and democratic safeguards, thankfully.

If it hadn't... well, all you have to do is take a look at Uganda. And Saudi Arabia.

[Toucano]

9. No man would fall in love, get married, and have children if he can just go fuck a dude.

The only reason anyone puts up with a wife and kids is they not allowed to just fuck dudes.
:crazy:

At it's root, that argument is misogynistic, but it also smells like the thinking someone repressing homosexual desire, Bahati.

Gay people ARE your family and it IS traditional.

[Ozymanithrax]

10. Unless a traditional family has gay sons or daughters...

Killing family members does shit for traditional families.

Nazi torettes is spredding like wildfire.

[Shallah Kali]

13. & American 'Christians' are egging them on - New Apostolic Reformation & The Family

Globalizing the Culture Wars: U.S. Conservatives, African Churches, & Homophobia
http://www.publiceye.org/publications/globalizing-the-culture-wars/index.php


# The Anti-Gay Highway
# New Report Details Mutually Beneficial Relationship Between US Evangelicals and African Antigay Clergy
# By Kathryn Joyce
http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/religiousright/2046/the_anti-gay_highway%3A_new_report_details_mutually_beneficial_relationship_between_us_evangelicals_and_african_antigay_clergy_


Six Reasons Why Americans Should Care About What is Happening in Uganda - Rachel Tabachnick

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/10/14/154827/99

A May 2010 Vanguard documentary, Missionaries of Hate, shows the impact of a conference in Uganda featuring Scott Lively and the "kill the gays" bill proposed in their Parliament, but it took more than one conference to demonize Uganda's gay population. For years there has been a multi-faceted effort by western politicians and evangelists to promote a politicized Christianity in Uganda. Jeff Sharlet exposed the role of The Family in his book by the same name and his newly released C Street House. Kapya Kaoma produced a report on western evangelical involvement in Uganda in The Public Eye. Charismatic evangelicals, now organized under the authority of apostles, have declared Uganda as a prototype in Transformation movies. The situation for gay Ugandans is dire, but for the groups who have helped to bring this about, Uganda is a prototype to be replicated in countries around the globe. Following are six reasons why we should be paying more attention.

1. Although this could mean life or death to some gay Ugandans, this issue is not limited to gay and lesbian citizens nor is it limited to Ugandans.

As seen in the Transformations movies, an ideology is being taught in which mini-utopias can be achieved in communities around the world through a process of identifying literal demons to be purged. Some may mistake this as spiritualizing a battle against societal ills, but it is not. In Uganda this spiritual warfare has advanced from the abstract (spiritual warfare against demons) to the concrete (targeting the people who are believed to harbor the demons). Once this worldview is embraced, it can be used to demonize any group which is viewed as an obstructing the "Kingdom on earth." These demons/individuals are described as an obstacle to achieving Christian dominion. They therefore become the reason that illness, poverty, corruption, environmental degradation and other societal ills, can not be miraculous defeated. In plain English, this means that gays and other demonized groups are claimed as the cause of the misfortune of others.

2. Uganda is viewed as a prototype for merging church and state.



Lou Engle Supports Principled Stand of Ugandan Anti-Gay Bill Promoters
http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/sarahposne ...

Lou Engle Only One of Many of Sen. Brownback's New Apostolic Reformation Apostle Problems
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/10/17/11135/471/F ...

Transforming Uganda - video
http://www.vimeo.com/8749833

Bios of American and Ugandan Leaders in "Transforming Uganda"
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/10/14/213822/52

Six Reasons Americans Should Care About What Is Happening In Uganda
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/10/14/154827/99

Resource Directory for the New Apostolic Reformation
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/1/20/131544/037

Sam Brownback Under Fire For Ties To Controversial Evangelist Lou Engle
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/10/12/192218/65


Elite Fundamentism - The Fellowship's gospel of Capitalist Power
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/religionreport/stories/2008/23

Jeff Sharlet: Yes, exactly, and in fact they latched on to Museveni after Siad Barre the former dictator of Somalia died, and that was a relationship they'd forged through Senator Chuck Grassley, the conservative Republican from Iowa and still in office in the United States, and he went to see Siad Barre who was Muslim, and he said, 'Look, I want to talk to you', Barre had been a Soviet client and now he was looking to switch sides. He said, 'I want to talk to you, I can arrange meetings for you with the Pentagon, but first we need to talk about Jesus, we need to pray.' And these dictators were no dummies, they understood that the price was being exacted, which was an ideological one, a theological one, and guys like Soeharto, of course Muslim as well, were more than happy to pray to Jesus in exchange for this massive military aid. Museveni is really only the latest of these characters, who, it's pretty transparent the relationship. I write in the book about Museveni makes friends with a major family businessman, a guy named Dennis Bakke, who was at the time the CEO of AES, one of the largest energy corporations in the world, at a mid-'90s National Prayer Breakfast, and then gives Bakke a new big contract for a $500-million hydroelectric dam, which Uganda doesn't need. Well everybody's making money, they all think they're doing God's work, and they're being supported effectively by the American government, which is sort of subsidizing this kind of thing.

Stephen Crittenden: Just going back to Uganda, one public policy outcome of this connection with President Museveni is that through him, they were able to export a Christian fundamentalist abstinence program into Uganda's policy about how to deal with AIDS. In the 1990s Uganda was being held up for its ABC policy, Abstinence, Be faithful, use a Condom. Ten years later, the results are very poor.

Jeff Sharlet: It's one of the most dismaying tragedies in the fight against AIDS. Uganda was a country that had really turned around. It had a high AIDS rate, and through using this program had turned it around, had actually successfully rolled back the AIDS rate. But because it became so enmeshed with the American Christian Right, and the American Christian Right is part of President Bush's AIDS program, was able to put pressure on these countries to drop the 'C' from the ABC. So they still want Abstinence, they believe in abstinence, but they don't want Condoms. And indeed Uganda backed very sharply away from condoms, and as predictably as any scientist could have told you, the AIDS rate skyrocketed, and people are dying again. And the most horrifying part about that, for some of these people, that's not a problem. I spoke to Senator Sam Brownback about this, who has worked actually with Senator Clinton to change the laws governing US foreign aid to make it so that we can't give money to any organisation that works with prostitutes. The example Brownback's Chief Legislative Director gave me, he said he would rather a Thai prostitute die of AIDS than have her soul imperilled by using a condom. And it's just an absolutely horrifying vision of what the Gospel says.



God and the Fight Against AIDS
April 28, 2005
Helen Epstein
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2005/apr/28/god-and-the-fight-against-aids/?pagination=false

The Less They Know, the Better
Abstinence-Only HIV/AIDS Programs in Uganda
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2005/uganda0305/index.htm

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14. Funded by American dominionists at "Transformation"

Thanks Christian fundies...

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

15. Proof positive Christians are every bit as capable of Talibanization as Muslims.

It's only progress that's held them back.

When they find a place where progress is particularly weak... you get this.

Same crap, different woo.

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[marmar]

18. Wow, they even sound like the U.S. Religious Right - the Bryan Fischers and James Dobsons.

[piratefish08]

19. isn't religion great?!?

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