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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:01 PM
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OMG! Iran has a secret plan
US officials say :eyes:


http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,2085192,00.html


Iran's secret plan for summer offensive to force US out of Iraq


Simon Tisdall
Tuesday May 22, 2007
The Guardian


US soldiers visit an Iraqi army base in Amiriya, a Sunni neighbourhood in west Baghdad. Photograph: Sean Smith



Iran is secretly forging ties with al-Qaida elements and Sunni Arab militias in Iraq in preparation for a summer showdown with coalition forces intended to tip a wavering US Congress into voting for full military withdrawal, US officials say.
"Iran is fighting a proxy war in Iraq and it's a very dangerous course for them to be following. They are already committing daily acts of war against US and British forces," a senior US official in Baghdad warned. "They are behind a lot of high-profile attacks meant to undermine US will and British will, such as the rocket attacks on Basra palace and the Green Zone . The attacks are directed by the Revolutionary Guard who are connected right to the top ."

The official said US commanders were bracing for a nationwide, Iranian-orchestrated summer offensive, linking al-Qaida and Sunni insurgents to Tehran's Shia militia allies, that Iran hoped would trigger a political mutiny in Washington and a US retreat. "We expect that al-Qaida and Iran will both attempt to increase the propaganda and increase the violence prior to Petraeus's report in September ," the official said.

"Certainly it is going to pick up from their side. There is significant latent capability in Iraq, especially Iranian-sponsored capability. They can turn it up whenever they want. You can see that from the pre-positioning that's been going on and the huge stockpiles of Iranian weapons that we've turned up in the last couple of months. The relationships between Iran and groups like al-Qaida are very fluid," the official said.

"It often comes down to individuals, and people constantly move around. For instance, the Sunni Arab so-called resistance groups use Salafi jihadist ideology for their own purposes. But the whole Iran- al-Qaida linkup is very sinister."
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RL3AO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:02 PM
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1. I'd love to see Iran try to push the U.S. out of Iraq.
Edited on Tue May-22-07 04:29 PM by RL3AO
Thats just begging Bush to be invade and or nuked.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:03 PM
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2. There's no secret plan
:hi:
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:04 PM
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3. Invading Bush?
Ewww!
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:04 PM
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4. Bush is spreading this crap to pave the way for a preemptive strike.
You just watch.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:05 PM
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5. Geez. What obvious B.S.
First, every country with a military (especially ours) has hypothetical plans worked up for all kinds of contingencies. Of course Iran has a plan. They'd be negligent if they didn't. I'm sure we have plans for invading more than half the nations on earth.

Second, and our government knows about it, then obviously it isn't a secret.

Third, our administration just isn't credible. They are warmongers accusing someone else of being a warmonger.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:07 PM
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6. maybe someone should tell the Dems
not to trust this administration, they may fall for it again
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:12 PM
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8. And again, and again, and again.
We have too many people in our party who are too comfortable with wealth, power and privilage. It has become their primary goal, and they keep sacrificing everything else to keep that wealth, power and privilage. We need more activists. We need idealists who are willing to fight.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:29 PM
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17. Exactly. Somewhere, right now, we have a detailed plan for an invasion of Canada.
This story is more anti-Iran AgitProp...by the end of the summer,
they'll be blaming Iran for every insurgent op in Iraq.
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thoughtanarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:12 PM
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7. It's a double secret probationary plan.
Full of super secret intrigue and suspense and a scary beeping countdown segue to the next episode of '24'.


Scared yet?

:boring:

How about if we said they had enriched uranium to 5%? Is that scary enough?

:boring:

How about if we said Armadinajad, Bin Laden, Lex Luthor and Saddam's zombie corpse were planning on molesting children in public restrooms across Manhattan?

:boring:

Did you hear that Paula Abdul broke her nose?

:wow:
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:13 PM
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9. LOL! First post to make me laugh today.
:7

:applause:
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Jim Warren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:51 PM
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12. Abdul........Abdul.........
Just a gol dang minute, that's an A-rab name taint it?

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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:38 PM
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10. Sunni Iran
:)
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:46 PM
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11. Juan Cole's take on this article:
He's not impressed with this article in The Guardian.


Juan Cole
Informed Comment

May 22, 2007


I suppose I have to link to this silly article by poor Simon Tisdall in of all places, The Guardian, whom someone is using to push a sinister agenda. Yes, its sources are looney in positing a coming offensive jointly sponsored by Iran, the Mahdi Army and al-Qaeda. Anyone who reads IC regularly will see immediately holes in this story.

At a time when Sunni Arab guerrillas are said to be opposing "al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia" for its indiscriminate violence against Iraqis, including Shiites, we are now expected to believe that Shiite Iran is allying with it. And, it claims that the Iranian Revolutionary Guards are shelling the Green Zone. The parliament building that was hit to day by such shelling is dominated by the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council and its paramilitary, the Badr Organization.

Who trained Badr? The Iranian Revolutionary Guards. And they are trying to hit their own guys . . . why? By the way, the US has 16,000 suspected insurgents in custody. Tisdall should ask how many of them are Iranian. (Hint: close to none. What, do they just run faster than the others?)
The article even traffics in the ridiculous assertion that Iran is backing hyper-Sunni, Shiite-killing Taliban in Afghanistan. Why not just cut to the quick and openly say that Supreme Jurisprudent Ali Khamenei is in reality . . . Satan!

It really is discouraging that Tisdall didn't report instead on what crazy things the US military spokesmen in Iraq told him. US military spokesmen have been trying to push implausible articles about Shiite Iran supporting Sunni insurgents for a couple of years now, and with virtually the sole exception of the New York Times, no one in the journalistic community has taken these wild charges seriously. But The Guardian?



Oh, how we will welcome the day that truth breaks free over our starved nation.


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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:02 PM
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15. Thanks seafan
for that Cole link :hi:
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 09:52 PM
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19. Hi, seamslikeadream, glad to add it to your thread. The bamboozling never ends, does it?
Keep up the pressure on these people. We may succeed with just one more blow.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:52 PM
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13. LOLOLOL!!!
:rofl:



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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:01 PM
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14. it's really all Tehran's fault.
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/dd_guttenplan/2007/05/dont_get_fooled_again.html

Don't get fooled again
When George Bush's desperate 'surge' in Iraq fails, we Guardian readers will know it's all Tehran's fault.
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History really does repeat itself. Either that or the Bush administration has decided to show its commitment to the environment by recycling lies. Those are the only firm conclusions to be drawn from the Guardian's front page story this morning.

Iran, we are told, has a secret plan to force the US and Britain to withdraw from Iraq. Not only that, but "Iran has reversed its previous policy in Afghanistan" and is now supporting the Taliban. So when George Bush's famous "surge" - a desperate gambit to prop up a bankrupt policy - fails to usher in the cooperative commonwealth in Iraq, we Guardian readers will know it's really all Tehran's fault.

Attentive readers may have noticed that the story itself - though obviously based on a single anonymous "senior US official in Baghdad" and "a senior administration official in Washington" - was carefully drafted to include Iranian denials and the acknowledgement that even most of the US congress believe Iraq is in the grip of a civil war. No, what struck me about the story wasn't its credulous tone so much as the sense, as the great philosopher and NY Yankee backstop Yogi Berra once said, of déjà vu all over again.

I've spent most of the past month reading through accounts of the Vietnam War, particularly those of IF Stone, the legendary radical journalist, and David Halberstam, whose The Best and the Brightest could have been a shooting script for the invasion of Iraq with Donald Rumsfeld in the role of Robert McNamara.

Then, too, an internal social and political conflict was blamed on foreign meddling. Lyndon Johnson bombed North Vietnam into rubble on the theory that if he cut off the Ho Chi Minh trail the Viet Cong would have to surrender. But as Stone demonstrated - using the Pentagon's own statistics - 95% of Viet Cong weapons were captured from their foes. When the State Department issued a White Paper purporting to prove the insurgents were little more than pawns for Hanoi and Beijing, Stone demolished it. Richard Nixon used a similar argument to justify the invasion of Cambodia--with even more spectacularly disastrous results.

South Africa's apartheid regime was often described - in the right-wing press - as resisting Soviet infiltration. Supporters of the Greek colonels in the 1960s used the same sales pitch to keep military aid flowing to the junta. Indeed, this particular lie is so old that as Stone told the crowd at a 1965 Berkeley teach-in, the British claimed the revolution in 1776 was a French plot.

There was, of course, some evidence to support that last charge. And there is probably some truth in allegations of Iranian mischief-making in Iraq. But before the Guardian - of all papers! - lends its front page to the propaganda campaign, surely we readers have a right to see the evidence.

Where are these "huge stockpiles" of Iranian weapons? Or the captured infiltrators? I'm not defending the theocrats in Tehran - still less those who foment sectarian violence in Baghdad. And I resist - and resent - the implication that those of us who favour immediate withdrawal of British and American forces are doing the mullahs' dirty work. Instead I'm suggesting we pause before letting tragedy degenerate into farce. Because if that happens I doubt any of us will be laughing.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:32 PM
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18. Bahahahahaahahaha!
:rofl:

That made me snort Diet Dr. Pepper out of my nose.

:7
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:07 PM
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16. *snort*
Why would they do any such thing?

Our government is successfully destroying us from within, via domestic policies; and without, via foreign policy.

All the world has to do is sit back and enjoy the show.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 09:59 PM
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20. Iran is BFEE
Along with the Bush Military Industrial Complex,
Iran is the big winner in the US invasion in 2003.

There's a history...
Cheney and Co sold Iran oil gear in the 90s.
Bush and Co sold Iran weapons in exchange for holding hostages in 80s.
Nixon and Co sold Iran nuke technology in the 70s.

What's not to like, for the BFEE?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 12:10 PM
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21. and the ships have arrived
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