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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 09:29 AM
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Refrigerator explodes in marijuana-distilling operation
http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20101028/NEWS07/10280343

COOS BAY — An attempt to distill the active ingredient from marijuana caused a refrigerator-demolishing explosion at a home on Monday, fire investigators in Coos County have concluded.

The Charleston Fire Department got a report at about 1:05 p.m. of a loud explosion on Jerome Road, Coos County Sheriff's Department Sgt. Pat Downing wrote in a news release. Fire crews found that a refrigerator at the home had exploded, shattering a window, dislodging cupboard doors and drawers, and scattering food around the kitchen. Firefighters called for the help of the sheriff's department and the state fire marshal's office to figure out what happened.

Investigators determined that one of four people living at the house had been extracting THC from marijuana with a method that used butane gas, Downing said. It appears that butane gas had built up in the home and when the freezer portion of the refrigerator turned on, a small spark ignited the butane gas, which caused the explosion. No fire erupted, but the blast blew the door off the refrigerator and through a wall in the home, Downing said.

Photos from the scene show a broken window, dangling light fixture and damage throughout the kitchen.

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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 09:30 AM
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1. THAT is a great headline
It would be hard to beat "Refrigerator explodes in marijuana-distilling operation."
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:35 AM
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30. This will be used as an excuse to treat cannabis like meth.
Watch.

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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 09:32 AM
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2. All that work and trouble for some hash oil?
Alcohol won't provide as clean of an end product, but the yields are much better and it's generally a lot safer. This is yet another type of awful accident that will be all but eliminated once marijuana is legalized.
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 09:42 AM
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4. You don't extract hash oil by distillation.
And you certainly don't use butane in the process.

I wonder if they just mean "drying?" Distilling marijuana makes no sense. You would boil off water, condense it, and have... distilled water.

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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 09:57 AM
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11. Well I've soaked pot in alcohol
180 proof and then boiled the alcohol away and it left me with some good ass pot oil that would knock your socks off. one hit and you were done for for a while until the high wore off

Don't partake of the weed any more as i have a lung condition that won't allow me to smoke with a clear conscience.

Methinks you've a lot to learn on this subject :-)
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:12 AM
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15. Actually some do use butane to make oil
There are far better and safer ways, of course. But this is in fact, done.
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montanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:14 AM
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17. You can. Its called BHO
Butane Honey Oil. But I don't know anything about it, so don't ask me.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:15 AM
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19. Yes you do.
I've done it a number of times. There's a very simple manner in which you can use some PVC pipe and butane to do a simple and quick extraction. The yields are incredibly little, but the product is very pure and powerful.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 12:06 PM
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83. No, distilling is not the right word.
They were most likely using butane to make hash oil, not a method I prefer, but that was what was going on.

Really, cold water bubble hash for the win. It's far safer and better.
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:05 AM
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13. if you use the right alcohol . I would think that wood alch would be a disaster
Then again the only thing i ever extract is coffee or tea via mr coffee.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:12 AM
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54. I typically use Everclear.
It's 190 proof, so there's very little water. It's (somewhat) safe for human consumption.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 12:08 PM
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84. It's also very good for tinctures. nt
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:22 AM
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21. Hash can be extracted with plain water and some screens. No need for any chemicals. nt
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:24 AM
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23. This is hash oil (honey oil), not hash.
Hash contains a lot of vegetative matter, honey oil does not. Honey oil is pretty much solely the active ingredients of bud (THC and other cannabinoids). It's a lot like kif, but in liquid form.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:31 AM
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28. Um, no. Pure THC is crystaline--that oil is foreign material.
"Hash contains a lot of vegetative matter, honey oil does not. "

Um, where does the oil part comes from? It's plant material. :hi:

"It's a lot like kif, but in liquid form."

What's the liquid made out of? :hi: :hi:
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:34 AM
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29. Sigh. This information is readily available.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_oil
Hash oil is upwards of 90% THC. Straight up hash isn't that strong. Hash has far more vegetative matter than hash oil does.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:38 AM
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33. Sigh yourself. You made a demonstrably false post in an attempt at know-it-all-ism.
Which part of my post were you even disagreeing with, in the first instance? Not possible to make hash with water? Or are you arguing that using butane (acetone also works good!) is some sort of superior practice? Or that BHO is somehow categorically different from hash, pure kief, or regular ol' bud?

In other words, what is your point (other than the incorrect one about BHO not containing plant matter.) :shrug:
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:40 AM
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34. You were the one who brought up hash, not me.
I was telling you there's a huge difference between hash and hash oil. Yes, BHO is categorically different from hash and regular ol' bud. I'm quite familiar with how to make hash, thanks. I was telling you that what you said had nothing to do with this conversation.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:44 AM
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36. Hash and hash oil are two different methods of preparing the same chemical
'I was telling you there's a huge difference between hash and hash oil"

LOL. Just like there's a HUGE difference between vodka and rum. It's a different manner of preparing the same stuff.

" Yes, BHO is categorically different from hash and regular ol' bud. "

Nonsense. It's a different preparation of the same stuff.

" I'm quite familiar with how to make hash, thanks. I was telling you that what you said had nothing to do with this conversation."

Again, that's nonsense. People make bubble-hash out of their trim. Just like these morons were making BHO from their trim. The former method is harmless. The latter method is dangerous. Your comments to me were an attempt to stroke your own ego, which is why the accuracy of your comments has been secondary to their emotive content. :hi:
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:51 AM
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39. You still don't get that they are different.
I specified from the very beginning I was referring to hash oil. You simply did not get that through your head. You aren't going to find any hash that's near 90% THC, it simply wouldn't hold together. Hash typically has 50% or more vegetative matter. That's all shit that's not good for your lungs. Hash oil has far less. You can't make hash oil with water, that's dense. Why you even injected that into the conversation is well beyond me.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:58 AM
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42. Vaping is far healthier than smoking BHO. Especially when the latter burns down your house.
:silly:
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:59 AM
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44. If you're stupid enough to burn your house down by making BHO...
Then very few things would be safe and/or healthy.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:01 AM
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48. You have to make BHO outside. But then your neighbors can see.
:hi:
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:02 AM
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51. Your neighbors would see some odd looking pipes.
Which might be suspicious in and of itself, but they wouldn't be seeing any bud. And the smell is non-existent.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:05 AM
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52. LULz. *I* would know what they were doing, and so would *you*.
Stands to reason that others might have some idea. At any rate, making it in the house seemed like a good idea to the bozos in the OP. :hi: :eyes:
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:42 AM
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35. And I'm very interested in what I posted that's demonstrably false.
You come here swinging crap around when it's quite clear you can't even follow the course of the conversation. It's not my fault you choose to speak without knowing what is even being discussed.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:47 AM
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37. The plant waxes and oils in BHO are plant material (as is the THC, but we'll set that to the side)
"Honey oil is pretty much solely the active ingredients of bud"

Wrong. :hi: Now change your argument to what "pretty much" means. I'm bored with you.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:52 AM
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40. Perhaps you smoke bud to lace your lungs with tar.
I smoke bud for the THC and other active ingredients. Dense is one word I'd use...
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:56 AM
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41. Your comments are bizarre and disjointed. Again, what is your point? nt
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:59 AM
Response to Reply #41
43. That hash and hash oil are two different things.
Something you have certainly yet to grasp. And it's quite clear you conflate the two by your first two posts on this thread. The fact that you contend that hash oil isn't distilled proves your ignorance on the matter.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:00 AM
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45. They're two (related) preparations of the same plant material.
One is slightly more concentrated than the other. That's all. You've painted yourself into some bizarre know-it-all corner. Just stop.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:01 AM
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47. Uh huh. And you think you can make hash oil using water?
And you can't make hash oil using distillation? Who has painted whom into a corner, exactly?
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:02 AM
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50. You can make hash with water. It's much safer than using Butane, on so many levels.
You act as if hash oil is some magical product, with characteristics quite unlike other marijuana products. It's a laughable claim.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:06 AM
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53. Once again with the conflation.
You are still proving your ignorance on this matter.

#1) This conversation was regarding hash oil, not hash. They are two different things. If I was looking to buy hash oil and received hash, I would be very upset.

#2) Hash oil is, in fact, distilled. You clearly don't know this.

Hash oil may not be magic, but it's awesome. You can do many things with hash oil that simply isn't practical with hash. Have you ever tried to dip a cigarette in hash? Just isn't happening. For people who have bad lungs and want to take a single hit of something that's not harsh at all, hash oil will do the trick and hash certainly won't. They are far different things, just as marijuana and hash are far different things.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #53
60. They're both extractions of the same plant, mostly made with waste material ("trim")
The comparison is easy and natural.

"You are still proving your ignorance on this matter."

And you're proving that this is nothing but cock-measuring to you.

"#1) This conversation was regarding hash oil, not hash. They are two different things. If I was looking to buy hash oil and received hash, I would be very upset. "

LOL. If I ordered a steak and received a cheeseburger I would be mad too. They're still both cow. :shrug:

"Hash oil may not be magic, but it's awesome. You can do many things with hash oil that simply isn't practical with hash. Have you ever tried to dip a cigarette in hash?"

Umm, #1) you were just telling me that you like BHO because you don't want to smoke the tar in bud. So that goes right out the window. #2) I have, on several occasions, heard of people cutting up bits of hashish and inserting them into a cigarette.

"or people who have bad lungs and want to take a single hit of something that's not harsh at all, hash oil will do the trick and hash certainly won't."

Um, you were just talking about dipping cigarettes. Anyhoo, vaporizing is much healthier than smoking any substance, and that includes BHO.

"They are far different things, just as marijuana and hash are far different things."

Right. Pot's the good stuff--hash is made with the leftovers. :hi:
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:36 AM
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63. Are you capable of making a single honest argument?
You start throwing your shit around as if we were talking about hash, saying how I don't know what I'm talking about when it's clear what I'm referring to has nothing to do with your shit flinging. Apparently you think that hamburger and steak are prepared the same way, because that's been the intent of your ungodly stupid argument.

I try to avoid tar as much as possible, I was talking about various things people look to get out of hash oil, not necessarily what I do with it. They are two different things and your simplistic mind has still to grasp that.

You talk about vaporizing which tells me that you are completely ignorant to the fact that pretty much the only way you can take in hash oil on its own is through VAPORIZING. You understand it's a liquid, right? When hash oil gets hot enough, it becomes a vapor, not a smoke. I've partaken with a number of asthmatics and none of them have any problem taking hash oil, it feels as if you're inhaling mist from a shower.

My god man, have you ever made an honest argument in your life? Everyone else sees that you're being an ass, apparently you're always the last to know.

And once again, do you honestly have that poor a grasp of distillation? Sometimes it's best to shut your mouth and be thought a fool, then to open it and remove all doubt.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #63
66. Dude, I refuse to get into any more sloppy, emotive, imprecise semantical arguments with you
Edited on Fri Oct-29-10 11:39 AM by Romulox
You like BHO. That's more than cool with me. But your claims as to it are unfounded and contradictory. It's silly.

"You talk about vaporizing which tells me that you are completely ignorant to the fact that pretty much the only way you can take in hash oil on its own is through VAPORIZING."

You just told me you can smoke it in cigarettes! :silly: You know what else you can smoke it in? A bowl of pot! :hi:
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #66
67. Says the man who thinks it can be made with water.
And definitely NOT through distillation. You're more than silly, you're ignorant and incredibly full of yourself as well. But hey, that's cool with me. You might want to look up the definition of hubris sometime.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #67
69. Hash can be easily extracted with water. I stand by that statement. Much better than fucking with
Edited on Fri Oct-29-10 11:42 AM by Romulox
Butane. I never suggested that you not haul the ol' PVC pipe out and just start pouring the lighter fluid or acetone, or whatever's handy down the tube. Just that I thought water extraction is superior, on several levels.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #69
71. Does arguing in the face of all logic and order get you off?
You've changed your argument a good dozen times this conversation. I've known lots of people who were often wrong, but you take wrong to the level of an art.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #71
72. Hash CAN'T be extracted with water? Hoookay.
"You've changed your argument a good dozen times this conversation. "

Read my first post on the subject. :hi:

" I've known lots of people who were often wrong, but you take wrong to the level of an art."

Betcha can't quote what I was "wrong" about.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #72
74. Sure I can.
Posts 22 and 28 are a start. You know, where you said that hash oil isn't distilled. Then you try to suggest that there's no THC in hash oil, that THC can only exist in crystalline form and that hash oil is only "foreign material". That's a good place to start with your ridiculously stupid comments, but I can add more if you'd really like. I know some people really like to revel in their stupidity. You seem like one of those people.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #74
76. Those posts were well after you started your hissy fit. What did I post that set you off.
I will even concede your point on "distillation", due to the fact that butane can boil at ambient temps (I did not know this.) That still doesn't explain the outpouring of emotion from you that happen WELL before that post. :hi:

"THC can only exist in crystalline form and that hash oil is only "foreign material"."

Now you're being dishonest again. Pure THC IS chrystaline (it's certainly not an oil), and hash oil contains plant waxes and oils that are non-psychoactive. Both of these statements are true. Which is why I made them.

"That's a good place to start with your ridiculously stupid comments, but I can add more if you'd really like."

Usually people call others "stupid" from a place of insecurity. I haven't called you any names, throughout any of this. :hi:
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #76
81. So you didn't know that butane is a gas at normal atmospheric pressure
and ambient temperatures? Really? If that's the point, I really don't think you should be having this conversation. I'm not saying that to be insulting, it's a simple truth.

You said that hash oil is "foreign material", you said that, not I. I'm quite aware that THC is crystalline, but hash oil can contain as much as 90% THC and, guess what, it's still an oil. Solids sometimes have the ability to dissolve into liquid, you can see this happening by boiling water and slowly adding sugar to create a simple syrup. As to saying that THC can only exist in crystalline form, that's completely untrue. That's very much akin to saying that fructose or sucrose can only exist in crystalline form, that's just wrong.

Hash oil contains a far greater ratio of psychoactive chemicals to non-psychoactive materials than does hash or marijuana.

You may think I'm being insecure, but I'm actually just amazed that someone who doesn't grasp these relatively simple concepts can be so loud in proclaiming his knowledge of them.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #81
89. It's obvious from the context of the story that it is a gas.
We were speaking of its boiling point, if you'll recall (since the "distillation" issue hinges on boiling. I have no clue where this latest claim of yours comes from.

"You said that hash oil is "foreign material","

Um. No I didn't. Which is why you can't provide a quotation to that effect. :hi:

"As to saying that THC can only exist in crystalline form, that's completely untrue."

I don't know what "can only exist..." is supposed to mean. Pure THC is crystalline, full stop.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #89
91. Time for another science lesson here.
When a liquid boils, it becomes a gas. So things which are gases at normal atmospheric pressure and temperature obviously have a very low boiling point.

I can't quote you saying hash oil is foreign material?
"Pure THC is crystaline--that oil is foreign material."

Wow, that was difficult. And you suggesting that hash oil is foreign material suggests to me that you don't realize that THC can exist in other forms. I don't know what you mean by foreign material, but by any definition, that is wrong.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:00 AM
Original message
edit: dupe. nt
Edited on Fri Oct-29-10 11:00 AM by Romulox
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #43
46. edit: dupe. nt
Edited on Fri Oct-29-10 11:00 AM by Romulox
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #37
55. you're being quite a jerk, as you seem to do with every post.
you even manage to be a jerk talking about dope.
:hi:
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #55
61. Quite a sensible post on the subject, as always!
Your anger with me is a pre-existing condition. :hi:
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #61
65. Kind of like your ignorance? NT
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #65
68. You're REALLY angry. About how Butane Honey ("hash oil") Oil is NOTHING like Hash.
And how you can smoke it in cigarettes. For purity!
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #68
73. Yes, one is a liquid, the other a solid.
One is loaded with crud to irritate your lungs, the other is not. One can easily be applied to almost anything, the other needs to be warmed and tediously broken apart. They are very, very different things. One is created via distillation... and apparently you are just now learning what distillation is.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #73
75. Anybody who cares about their lungs Vapes. The "good for your lungs" bit is silly.
Plus, everybody I know is into ORGANIC pot these days. I'll be damned if I get a hold of some nice ORGANIC nugs and start pouring lighter fluid on them (for my HEALTH?)
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #75
77. Ummm, have you worn out all of your foolish arguments?
So you turn to another argument to make yourself look less foolish? I don't give a rat's ass what everyone you know is into these days. And you should also be aware that butane isn't like the relatively volatile stuff you put into a Zippo, but I'm sure you'd get that confused. Butane has a boiling point around 0 degree Celsius, so any butane used in the extraction will NOT end up in your final product. Honey oil, without a doubt, is the purest way to ingest cannabis short of eating it. What a ridiculously stupid argument.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:59 AM
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79. I'm still waiting for you to quote anything I've posted here that is inaccurate
Edited on Fri Oct-29-10 12:00 PM by Romulox
(the distillation point is conceded.) And for you to calm down. It doesn't have to be in that order! :hi:

edit:

"Honey oil, without a doubt, is the purest way to ingest cannabis short of eating it. What a ridiculously stupid argument."

It sure don't make you either chill or mentally alert. Probably needs more lighter fluid! :silly:
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 12:06 PM
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82. That hash oil is foreign material is another.
And you suggesting that there's any lighter fluid in hash oil is yet another. Now that you are aware that butane is a gas at standard atmospheric pressure, that might make a bit more sense to you. At least you admitted you were wrong once. Just do it another 5 or so times and you'll be in good shape.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 12:12 PM
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87. I said that the OIL was plant material OTHER than "pure thc and cannaboids"
That's what I meant by "foreign". Jesus. This entire fit was a case of misreading by you? :silly:
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 12:15 PM
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88. So you're going to go off on me because you don't know what foreign means?
That's not misreading, that's illiteracy on your part. And you haven't addressed you thinking that hash oil contains lighter fluid. And are you still convinced that THC can only exist in crystalline form? Those are three you might want to ponder. And if you were wondering what "set me off", it's that you have the nerve to say that I posted falsehoods when that's what you've been injecting into this conversation from the very beginning.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 02:24 PM
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95. Perfect example of why drugs are not for everyone.
But just because this jackass can't seem to keep his house in one piece is no need to send me to jail for hitting on a fatty when I get off of work.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 12:09 PM
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85. Not the lower microns.
My 45 and 25 micron stuff is very, very pure.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 12:11 PM
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86. But what kind of yield do you get using 25 micron?
I'm imagining garbage bags of trim for a quarter sized pat. I guess if you've got a crap load of trim, that's not so much a problem.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 12:22 PM
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90. 16 to 1 with trim, 8 to 1 with buds.
I really do know what I'm doing, and it's not about yield, it's about quality. I've been a grower for some time, and I always do a half and half mix of bud and trim. Right now, from my last yield, I'm sitting on 8 grams of 73 mic, 10 grams of 45 and my biggest yield, 13 grams of 25. Basically, it's the only thing I smoke, or vape.

I've done the butane method for oils and I don't like it. In fact, I'm sitting on a bowl full of oil now and the only thing I ever use it for is coating my papers if I feel like smoking a joint.

I would never, ever touch my stuff with butane, but I do know a lot of people that love the oils, for me, it's always just too harsh.

Keep in mind, when dealing with reduction, if it's the right stain and done properly, you only need about a match head sized portion for a couple of hits, and you are good for hours. Bubble hash for the win.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 12:40 PM
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92. Sounds like good stuff.
But most people (including myself) work with such small amounts that it would never be pragmatic to make hash in that manner. Not only is it a lot of work, but I'd need so much product, I'd rarely have the chance to make it. If I could find hash around here for sale, I'd be all about it. I had it a few times in Amsterdam and it was great stuff. For some reason, there doesn't seem to be much of a market in the U.S.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 02:20 PM
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94. I guess you could say I'm basicly nuts for the stuff.
I'm working on a detailed "strain saver" program right now. So many good strains have disappeared or be bastardized over the years that I hear so many people wishing for days gone by. I make sure I put some of the keif away for storage so in 10 or 20 years I'll have something no one else can find.

The market, one day at least in Cali, will move toward specialties, and I think this will be a big part of it. Kind of like there are the big corporate wineries, and the small micro brews and family wineries.

I totally hear you on the amount, it is hardly practical way for some when they are dealing with small amounts of trim.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 02:48 PM
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96. That's one thing I'm really looking forward to regarding legalization.
Hearing all these neat sounding strains is really cool and all, but unless you know a grower who takes things very seriously, one has no idea what they're really getting. I've had a number of strains which were reported to be "white widow" or "white rhino" or "diesel" and other such names for KB and each time they're wildly different. Not that any of them were bad, I'm just sure that the person selling the stuff was just attaching a popular name to it in order to increase sales. Perhaps when it's legalized, we can finally start getting some truth in advertising and distributors will be legally required to properly identify their strains. I'm looking forward to finding a few different strains appropriate for a few different situations and sticking to them.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 08:12 PM
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99. Very good points all.
Also, cannabis soaks up different nutrients, sweeteners and carbohydrates like a sponge and all can have different effects on the plant character, smell, and flavor. I've seen clones of the same mother plant come out tasting completely different with both still having the attributes of the mother strain.

The key is taking it out of the realm of "dealers" and moving into the realm of true "bud-tenders". In Cali, I'm lucky to know many growers with integrity and honesty at the core of what they do.

Most strains just get played out. There is still some widow running that most are using for hash production, interestingly enough and I've seen no real rhino in a number of years. Out here, right now, it's all about the purple for the juniors that haven't learned the realities of reduction.

I will say, the real reason I'm a reduction freak is because I'm lucky enough to be a medical patient in Cali and that allows me a great and reliable variety, along with a workman like knowledge of the topic.

...and there I go again, a one trick pony.

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Zephie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 09:32 AM
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3. Marijuana distilling operation...?
Edited on Fri Oct-29-10 09:42 AM by Zephie
...What? The direct dry and light method isn't good enough anymore? :rofl:
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 09:47 AM
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5. Hell, microwave ovens are great for that if you don't overcook it.
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uncle ray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #5
59. oh, hell no!
it can be done in a pinch to dry a small amount, but is nothing like butane extraction.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 09:47 AM
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:28 AM
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26. LOL! Was it these guys?
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EarlG ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 09:49 AM
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7. Looks to me like a
Mythbusters episode waiting to happen...
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montanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #7
20. Nope. No myth at all. Buttain Oil extraction is
common enough and should NEVER be done indoors.
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EarlG ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #20
27. Point taken
I was just thinking the lads would jump at the chance to see if they can blow a door off a refrigerator and through a wall using butane gas (and then, probably, C4).
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montanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:37 AM
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32. In this case they would get the bang they were looking for.
without a doubt. They'd love it. I can just imagine these guys in Charleston though, a commercial operation no doubt, a dozen glass pie pans off-gassing butane into a closed refrigerator. Yikes. BHO: Its "the bomb," for sure.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 09:50 AM
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8. Was Dave there?
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:25 AM
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24. LOL
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 09:52 AM
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9. The work of true Okiegonians.
I don't apply this label to all who live in Oregon.

Just the obvious dipshits like the one who blew up his own house.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:10 AM
Response to Reply #9
14. Do you want to know what we call CA since Prop8 and Arnold?
Actually, you probably don't. Additionally, I'd like to point out that the State of California was the goal of and the source of vast discrimination against the Oklahoma immigrants, and it was your own State that made up the slur you know twist to fit yet another group of people.
The history of CA and the 'okies' is a nasty one, I invite all who read your post to read up on it, and see the context for your remark. The Okies were treated like Meg would treat the Mexican immigrants, it is a CA tradition. LAPD set up check points at the Nevada State Line. To stop Americans from entering California. Woody Guthrie will tell you all about that.
So carry on, but know that others know your history better than you seem to. The slur you use is particular to CA's most brutal history.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #14
18. Yeah, okay, whatever.
Turn me into a villain due to your own oversensitivity. Do what you feel you must.

Just know that my grandparents were indeed, ACTUAL Okies. So you don't have any right to lecture me AT ALL.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:26 AM
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25. As was my mother's entire side of the family
Actually, I'm sorry. I can see why Californians would feel the need to lash out, considering the last few years there!
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #14
38. What do you call CA since Prop8 and Arnold?
This San Franciscan and Giants fan wants to know.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 09:55 AM
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10. Geez, didn't these guys know there are machines that will do this?
Sounds like one of those "Hey man, hold this joint and watch this" moments.
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uncle ray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #10
58. there are no machines sold to make BHO
there are devices, and one that can be considered safe as it is a closed system that reclaims the butane, but it is fairly expensive.

for those curious non BHO-heads. here is a quick rundown of the process for informational purposes: you take plant matter, buds are great, stems and trim are fine too. break or chop it up and insert it into a glass or stainless steel tube(never PVC as a poster above suggested, the butane will extract chemicals form the PVC). one end is capped with a hole for butane to enter, the other end has a coffee filter on it. you simply discharge the contents of a can of butane into the cylinder, which extracts the THC as it collects in another dish that you have the tube suspended over. this part of the process is dangerous and should be performed only outdoors as butane gas is released to the atmosphere. after that the butane is evaporated off from the collection dish leaving highly concentrated THC. the end product is the cleanest, safest way to consume THC. the end product is freer of contaminants than any alcohol extraction, though alcohol is another acceptable way to make oil too. the BHO process is very quick, and actually safe if you follow basic safety precautions.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #58
93. I remember we used to do a buttered tea with weed and tea.
It worked. It was nice and mellow.
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:04 AM
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12. Damn. Couldn't they have waited until after the election?
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montanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:12 AM
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16. Hello Coos Bay. Never make BHO in the house.
Everyone knows that. What a hellhole that place is I can assure you all.
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #16
49. Easy there....
Some of us live here.
And no, it isn't Paradise but then again, it certainly is more liveable than LA.
As soon as the elderly finish their lives, Coos Bay might attain some coolness.
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montanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:20 AM
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57. lol.
I have a love/hate relationship with the place. I was just there a few weeks ago. I do love it. I miss it. And I hate it. And I never want to go back again. Where I live in LA is far more livable than CB, but then I know that goes against the common conception of LA. I can walk to work, I can walk to shopping and restaurants, I never get stuck in traffic, I can leave my doors unlocked without fear, I can see mountains with snow on them in the winter, I can pluck lemons from my tree all summer, the people are mixed in every way AND friendly, and they know not to make BHO in the house. I have high hopes for Coos Bay, really, I do. When the (my) elderly finish their lives, I have a piece of property there, so here_is_to_hope that the coolness happens!
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #49
97. Coos Bay is cool.
I spent a lot of time there as a kid, and I have friends there.

It's underrated and will eventually be discovered.

Good stuff out by Empire and Charleston. My mom's best friend lives in Eastside.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:23 AM
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22. That's not what "distilling" means. nt
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:18 AM
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56. That's exactly what "distilling" means.
And what's up with the quotes? Was that supposed to be ironic?
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #56
64. "...a method of separating mixtures based on differences in their volatilities in a boiling liquid"
"Distillation is a method of separating mixtures based on differences in their volatilities in a boiling liquid mixture. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distillation

God save us from the sloppy pedant! :hi:
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:41 AM
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70. Yep, you got it.
You may not be aware of this, but butane boils at a very low temperature. Far lower than THC. I think you might be finally grasping this science thing.
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 10:35 AM
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31. "Whoa, dude! That was, like, TOTALLY some good shit, man!"
:smoke:
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:30 AM
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62. Best. Flamewar. Ever.
:popcorn: :smoke:
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 07:05 PM
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98. Jeepers, I'm the OP, and I had no bleeping idea that it get to this level!
:wow:
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:58 AM
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78. This is about the dumbest method of extraction i've ever heard
What an idiot
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 12:03 PM
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80. I'm not interested unless Harisson Ford was in it. -nt
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