I'm now convinced the 2006 election was "unstolen" as a set-up for the dems

[Atman]

Look, we all know they have the technology and the ability and the infrastructure to have easily stolen '06 as they had the previous elections. But it went to smooth for "us." We skated in.

Today, we're seeing their machinations bear fruit. This is what they wanted to happen. Give the democrats control, then just pull their "unitary executive" bullshit, stonewalling and lying as stall tactics. They knew they'd just have to ride it out. With W polling in the low 30s they'd lose anyway and be able to pawn this whole mess off on the democrats.

Don't believe me? It's not hard to find posts on the freeper boards saying that we (democrats) own this war now, because we're the only ones who can stop and we won't.

Nancy and Harry have played directly into Bush's/Rove's hands. Or...they've been complicit in the whole cluster-fuck all along. Either way, by failing to take any action to reign in the out-of-control dictator Bush, we really, really do "own" this war.

Just as BushCo planned.

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[Gabi Hayes]

1. man o manischevitz! you should have seen the letters to Cafferty that were just on CNN.

that's pretty much what EVERY letter said!

it's ALL the Dems' fault! they were all blaming the DEMS for not getting us out of there, forgetting, all of them (the ones I saw....missed the first couple), that Bush has the VETO power, and the Senate Pugs have the power of the filibuster

a more ignorant bunch of idiots has never existed, and Cafferty certainly was playing to them today

not that I hold much with the Achordate Party's typical spinelessness, but to blame it ALL on them is as stupid as stupid gets

[yurbud]

20. GOP isn't the only party that can filibuster--did dems do it at all from 2001 to now?

[blm]

29. Kerry and Kennedy led filibuster of Alito and were attacked nonstop from within

their own side by those who wanted to keep their powder dry.

[yurbud]

30. I thought they only threatened to filibuster

[blm]

31. They did filibuster and were attacked for it nonstop. The DryPowderDems were

undermining them every step of the way, even as they pretended to be for it.

[yurbud]

21. what will the democrats excuse be when they have both houses and the White House?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

23. "We don't have 60 in the Senate!"

:cry:

:argh:

[yurbud]

24. they just need 41

to sustain a filibuster

[kimmerspixelated]

2. Not sure,

But an interesting theory. I think that with everyone watching, it was really hard to get away with the theft, for ALL EYES were wide awake this time...Also I think there was a some kind of rift between Rove and the admnistration and as revenge Rove decided not to tweak things with "the Math". Just a theory.

[rzemanfl]

15. Just a few more "loyal Bushies" as U.S. Attys and they would

have stolen 2006. The U.S. Attorneys who wouldn't play ball are gone now.

[Wiley50]

3. Oh, it was stolen alright

otherwise we would have had a landslide all across the country

They just didn't steal it enough

[helderheid]

5. Agreed.

[jgraz]

6. jinx!

:toast:

[Greyhound]

8. LOL! 3 in less than a minute. n/t

[tom_paine]

14. Yep. The thumb is permanently on the scale

[sutz12]

41. That's my thought.....they did seem surprised to lose, even with the polls the way they were..nt

:shrug:

[jgraz]

4. The election WAS stolen, just not stolen enough

The fix went in in early October, before the Foley debacle. Look at the exit polling vs the vote counts.

There's no way *Co wanted the Dems in control asking all these inconvenient questions.

[Greyhound]

7. Wiley50 nailed it. Somebody posted an excellent source here, that showed

how they did exactly the same things is '06, and while it was not sufficient to keep the Republik majority, it cost us 20 - 30 House seats and close to a dozen Senate seats.

[live love laugh]

9. They had to "let" us win a small victory, and I do mean small, to thwart the

appearance of tampering. In 2008, it's back to business as usual. Out and out theft. Watch.

[Swamp Rat]

10. They couldn't steal enough votes in 2006.

It will be even harder to steal 2008, unless they hack every goddamn voting booth computer/machine in America.

Though the M$M would have us believe otherwise, GOP is crumbling before our eyes.

[ecstatic]

11. I foresaw this too. Realistically they knew a Repug win would be scrutinized

So they didn't steal it--instead, they let us win (rightfully) so that public support for Dems would fade as the war continued. Yes, I know that the Dems were set up but it doesn't make me any less angry with them. They let the scenario play out EXACTLY as the enemy intended. On top of that, there are still no e-voting paper trails, because Dems foolishly gained a false sense of security once allowed to win. In 2008 it will be all Repug rule, once again.

[EV_Ares]

12. It could have been a good thing if we had good strong dem leadership

and would not just have investigations but follow up with action.

Also on the Iraq bill, hell don't cave, send Bush a bill the dems and the country believe in and that is a get the hell out of Iraq bill.

The dems need to quit being frady cats and be strong, stand up for what we all believe in and know is the right thing to do and it might work out. The way it is going, it is playing right into the republicans hands.

[dave_p]

13. This was always going to happen

Part of me wanted the GOP to win so they'd own this disaster 100%. We know from Reagan's day that they'll blame Democrats for their own incompetence and claim responsibility for Democrat achievements.

It's a little late to spot the catch: either Democrats end the war and fight the inevitable accusations of surrender by pointing out that it was a crime from the beginning and nothing but defeat was ever an option owing to WH mismanagement; or they fail to end it and share ownership, with the bonus that they'll be accused of having scuppered the "winning" strategy through interference.

It was always there. Not ending it's a sure way of being ripped apart in Nov '08. Cutting the funding off will be attacked but so willl anything else, and it's the only way of accomplishing what the American people want.

[MistressOverdone]

16. Oh my

if they are really that competent I may have to think my position on things!

[pampango]

25. Great point. If Bush can pull off just losing both houses of

Congress along with the committee chairmanships and investigations that go with it, because he KNEW he could play the Democratic leadership like a cheap guitar, and have us convince ourselves that he did it on purpose, he is indeed the "Decider." How I could not have seen this coming, I don't know. I should have voted Repub last year just to mess up his grand plan. I bow before their superior wisdom.

[The Inquisitive]

35. indeed!

I don't understand how people will call the bush administration a diabolical cold calculating borderline dictatorship in one sentence, and then in the next call him and his cronies a bunch of bumbling incompetent morons... aren't the two sort of mutually exclusive?

[Atman]

37. I'm not calling them bumbling incompetent morans.

They've pulled this off brilliantly. They took their time, they were methodical, they got their ducks in a row. Remember, if you buy that they FAKED they intelligence, that means they knew what the real intel was. IOW, they went into this knowing full well that this would go on forever...so they planned mega-bases and the world's largest embassy, and assured themselves never-ending contracts to supply the war machine. They knew they'd be safe no matter what. After all, they've looted the treasury and left everyone else out in the cold. Remember that magic date of September for Patraius to release his report...that's when the Super Embassy comes online. They could give a shit about anything else except taking up permanent residence in the Baghdad.

Bush IS an incompetent bungler, but he has almost nothing to do with any of this. He's a puppet front-man for his daddy's old-school invaders. He's just like Gonzolas...he can go out in front of the cameras every day and make a fool of himself because he doesn't care. He's being taken care of quite well. That's all that matters to them.

No, they're far from bumbling morans. They're brilliant, cunning morans.

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[The Inquisitive]

40. okay I guess I see what you mean

Bush is just the face, he and his public chronies are just there to spout out the same old tired rhetoric, while the a handful of cunning machiavellian manipulators play America like it were a guitar being played 80's cockrock guitarist shredding it up during a solo.

Personally I disagree with how you've framed the actions of the bush administration, I don't think anyone associated with the man is capable of coherent thought and true statesmenship, but that might be the result of my own biases rather than yours.

[StarryNite]

17. Harry and Barry

I'm beginning to think both parties are DOA. Truman and Goldwater are probably both rolling over in their graves at this point.

I guess we can't make fun of the republicans for losing their party to the neocons anymore.

[Hole in the Void]

18. The "unstealing" was already predicted.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2482849

With * as politically weak as he is (immigration has caused his base to desert) and the dems in power he is ripe for impeachment.

Guess who assumes power then.

No, you can't have a simultaneous double impeachment, the American people would reject it out-of-hand as a cynical effort to install Pelosi. Dick would then be able to appoint his VP, who would then hold "incumbent's advantage" in 2008; and that VP would also assume the WH if Dick resigned or was later impeached...for up to the 10 years alotted by the NEOCONstitution. With the dems too timid to end the war it would be all Dick, all war, all the time.

Ever feel like the dog that chased the car and caught it only to be left wondering what to do with it?

EDIT: BTW when they steal 2008 et al any complaints will be silenced with, "But you won 2006 and impeached *, why not use Diebold to thwart that?" If anyone has a good rebuttal for that one I'm all ears--ur--monitor.

[newyawker99]

22. Hi Hole in the Void!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[BlueIris]

19. Yep. To paraphrase a great American, "Rule of thumb: whenever you find yourself thinking,

'damn, this couldn't have worked out better for Bush and Cheney if Rove planned it that way!'--Rove planned it that way."

The other helpful thing the set-up will do for the neo-cons is allow them to duck and cover when the economic shit they've been piling together hits the proverbial fan while the Dems are in control of Congress. After that it'll be, "Welp, you can't turst them libruls with money, that's fer shure!"

[L. Coyote]

26. Are you well invested in the tin hat business or what, Theatre of the Absurd?

Rove: "Let's fix the elections so we lose, then blame the Dems for the war."

Bush: "I like that idea. We give away the Congress and the Senate so we can blame them for everything. Then Cheney will breeze into the White House in '08."

Condi: "But, they'll impeach us all."

Rove: "If they do. the people will hate them even more."

Bush: "If they throw us out, we can throw more blame on them. An impeached Cheney will play better in the heartland."

[Atman]

34. Your scenerio is absurd. I never stated anything like that.

But hey, go on and amuse yourself. You're not a very deep thinker are you?

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[WI_DEM]

27. Well, on the other hand whose to say it wasn't stolen, we could have actually have won 50 or more

seats and they were able to steal 20 of those because they were close enough!!!!

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. If that was the case we shoulo have gotten 20 more seats

in the house...

They did try to steal it, we outvoted the percentiles they change them by

[mr.alleycat]

32. Naw more like

We are seeing why Rove's called "Turd Blossom"

[mod mom]

33. I think rove fucked up.

They did steal it, just not as much as they hoped. We should have larger majorites.

[Generator]

36. WOW you f'ing with us?

But seriously, I know DU can make a conspiracy out of anything. And the thing is, I'm never sure it's completely wrong.

[Atman]

38. I'm sure I'm PARTLY wrong.

But I don't think I'm completely wrong.

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[liberalhistorian]

39. Ummm.....OK. I think you need to

take off your tinfoil hat and put down the KoolAid for a few minutes, at least.

[KingFlorez]

42. You have got to be kidding?

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard. No one "unstole" the election, the people voted for change and they got it.