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DemocracyInaction Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:12 PM
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Obama/Perillo (sp?)--something here stinks
Edited on Fri Oct-29-10 11:14 PM by DemocracyInaction
Obama left DC (after this over-hyped terroist crap--which idot Amureka sucks up for dinner) to go to a rally for this guy who is trying to keep his seat as a first year dude in congress. We all know that it isn't even going to be close in seats in the House...we are going to lose the house by a significant number--we are not fighting over a seat or two to keep control. So why in these closing moments with (cough) national security on his plate, does he go to this "nobody" to campaign? Obviously, this "yahoo from nowhere isn't your local "yahoo from nowhere" to attract this power in the last moments. Why does he get the most important recognition anyone can get??? I just want know why this nobody is so important?????????
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Yeshuah Ben Joseph Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:15 PM
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1. I did notice the canned audience at the Jon Stewart show
seemed to cheer rather inappropriately when the President merely mentioned this guy's name. So the DLC clearly favors him for some reason. I never heard of the guy before this week, and I'm the freakin' Son of God!
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:24 PM
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3. Dad keeping secrets again??
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:17 PM
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2. And what's your point -- exactly? To Obama, P. is a study in courage.
He said as much: a freshman who voted for unpopular programs because he was trying to do good rather than save his butt. And what are you implying -- and with so much hostility towards Obama?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:31 PM
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:37 PM
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8. It has nothing to do with money. It has everything to do with showing that representatives in
Edited on Fri Oct-29-10 11:37 PM by BzaDem
conservative districts will have institutional support if they vote progressive on issues that might make them unpopular in their district.

This kind of message is invaluable to our prospects of passing progressive legislation in the future.
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PopSixSquish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:37 PM
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9. There is Something Special About the Congressman
Edited on Fri Oct-29-10 11:38 PM by PopSixSquish
and it's called voting for the people who elected you and support you and not caving into the Teabagger terrorists...
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:40 PM
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10. Are you sure you are at the right forum? Cynicism is a healthy thing -- but,
like everything else, in moderation.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 12:39 AM
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22. If that is Obama's reasoning, why is he not supporting Grayson?
Grayson is certainly a study in courage who not only votes to do good, but also champions Obama's causes more robustly than Obama has.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 01:29 AM
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23. Do you have anything in the way of proof that Grayson even wants
the President's help? Rightly, or wrongly, some Reps have tried to distance themselves. He's only one man, and can't be everywhere at once.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 01:43 AM
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25. Grayson certainly seems a little bitter that he has not gotten more help from the party
And even a little recognition from the President would be a step in the right direction. Obama has given more visible support to DINOs than to supportive Democrats like Grayson.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 01:50 AM
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26. Nice, but you still didn't answer the question. Do you have any "proof"
that Grayson wants the help of the President? I didn't ask you about "the party", or your warped opinion about the President's loyalties. I asked for "proof" that Grayson has asked for the president's help.

Pretty simple request, don't you think, and just as easy to admit that you don't know what the hell you're talking about? :shrug:
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:00 AM
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28. I never said that Grayson had asked for support from Obama
Or that Obama was not loyal. I'm just saying that more time for the congresspeople who have been more supportive of the President's agenda instead of spending so much time and effort on the marginal DINOs would be nice.

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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:30 AM
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29. This discussion was about Periello, was it not? Do you consider him
a "DINO"? And is it you who decides who's worthy, and who's not? I'm glad you finally admitted to making shit up, but we have Fox News for that, and it's really unhelpful within our own ranks, don't you think? He's the leader of the Democratic Party, and that includes people who may not pass your personal litmus test, but they are all "Democrats" nonetheless.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:28 PM
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4. If we lose the house, people like the op will have helped make it happen.
Sheesh. Some people.
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PopSixSquish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:32 PM
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6. How About the Fact That Congressman Perriello Has Campaigned on Democratic Accomplishments?
when the most of the rest of the Democratic candidates aren't? He voted for HRC and the stimulus and against the Wall Street regs because he felt that it didn't go far enough .

He's a good Democrat in a district that's majority Republican with the exception of Charlottesville which is deep-blue thanks in part to UVA. The unemployment rate in some areas of his district is 20% and he actually seems to care about doing something about this. He voted for cap&trade in the House.

But the name should ring a bell to a lot of people around here even before you use Google. Some Teabaggers were so upset about his vote for HRC, that they published what they thought was his home address on the internet (it was his brother's) and encouraged people show their displeasure with that vote. Someone cut the gas line at the brother's house and it was thought a serious enough threat to Mr. Perriello and his family, that the FBI investigated and the family hired security. There have been other threats against the Congressman as well.

So does that answer your question?
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:43 PM
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14. +1. There's the answer.
Perriello is a symbol of where congressional Democrats should be: unafraid of what they believe.
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Grown2Hate Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:44 PM
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15. EXACTLY. Freshman congressman, one of the few ANYWHERE running on Democratic
accomplishments (in a fairly Republican district), and touting his HCR vote. Why wouldn't President Obama campaign for someone that's actually NOT running away from him and Dem accomplishments? I will concede that it's a little late in the game, but it does demonstrate that he will support those supporting him and that (SURPRISE!) maybe Democrats should be running on their accomplishments and not letting the fucking TEABAGGERS frame the issues ("Government Health Care", "Failed Stimulus", "Cow Fucking Agenda", etc.).

PS. Isn't Charlottesville about a TWO HOUR DRIVE from Washington D.C.? It's not like the President flew to fucking Nome, Alaska or something like that.
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PopSixSquish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 12:00 AM
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19. Yup, Charlottesville is About a Two Hour Drive From DC
BTW - The Virginia 5th is also the largest district in the state and was actually Democratic (albeit Conservative Democratic) from when it was recreated in 1935 until Virgil Goode decided that he was really a Republican in 2002. He'd been elected as a Democrat in 1996.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:35 PM
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7. Because he is from a conservative district and nevertheless votes progressive. And his chances of
winning, while poor, are no poorer than many other Democrats across the country. So it makes sense that the tie would go to the candidate that actually votes progressive, and I am glad Obama did that. It will also help us pressure blue dogs on tough votes in the future, since they will see that people who vote with Democrats (even if it isn't aligned with their district) will get help and support in the end that they might not otherwise get.
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Ramulux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:40 PM
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11. You are clueless
First off Tom Perrielo is one of the strongest progressives in congress and he is from an extremely conservative district. Over the last 2 years Tom cast votes that he knew were going to bury him politically but he did them anyways because they were the right thing to do. I am guessing that Obama is simply repaying him for being an example of how a real democrat acts.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:41 PM
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12. we are going to lose the house by a significant number...i ain't conceding that
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:41 PM
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13. Payback to Perriello for destroying the Kenyan birth certificate
He's one of the top co-conspirators!1!! I'm series!1!! :tinfoilhat:

:sarcasm:
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:46 PM
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16. We are not losing the House.
Every seat matters and people who support Obama deserve to have his support in return.
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Grown2Hate Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:52 PM
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17. We either lose the House by 30 seats, or we hold on to it by 1 or 2 seats. I don't think there is
an in-between (undecideds will break one way or the other in the closer races). So EVERY bit of support helps and counts. G.O.T.F.V.!!!
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-29-10 11:59 PM
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18. Are you serious? You clearly don't know a damn thing about Periello. He's one of the good ones
who really deserves to win. If everyone in the Congress - whether they were liberal or conservative or moderate - acted as true to the spirit of the office and with as much of a sense of just doing what they believed was the right thing for their constituents and the Country then we would sure as hell be in much better shape.

Because he has done that in a very Republican leaning district, Obama loves the guy and will go out of his way to try to help him. The only reason he won in 08' and the only way he can win in 10' is if the young, African-Americans and the surge 08' voters show up. He also, shockingly, isn't getting blown-out like he should be in such a Republican district in such a Republican year. That is a testament to how much he just seems like a decent person to people. He hasn't voted like a person concerned about getting re-elected. It is unusual and appreciated.
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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 12:24 AM
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20. We're not going to lose the house
Why does you buy into that message?

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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 12:37 AM
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21. You're right.
Edited on Sat Oct-30-10 12:37 AM by dgibby
Something does stink. It's this op.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 02:32 AM
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27. +1. Nt
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:41 AM
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30. +2
A simple google search could have informed the OP--and we wouldn't have a post like this.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 01:40 AM
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24. Obama doesn't catch the crooks, that's the job of the Intelligence Agencies.
I think you've been schooled, just take a look at the reply of the day (post #6), which makes your o.p. an utter FAIL!

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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 05:35 AM
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31. Tom Perriello is my congressman.
Not a yahoo, not from nowhere.
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