no hispanics? no hispanics!

[ensho]

the sanity gathering on the mall was wonderful, super, excellent. and I thank Comedy Central for having it live over the net but

no hispanic music? I don't understand. I kept thinking that maybe they would close the program. but no hispanics?

I don't understand. why not?

it was like they got a slap. that they are invisible.

I don't understand.

I'm sad

[panader0]

1. I'm sure Carlos Santana would have played if asked

[Codeine]

6. Good that they didn't then.

Lord I hate Santana.

[spanone]

106. how does one hate santana? oh well....i hate shellfish.

[DebJ]

78. Black Magic Woman with pics of ODonnell

[tridim]

2. The first person in the audience was hispanic.

WFT are you talking about?

[ensho]

22. I wasn't talking about the audience

what are you talking about?

[seabeyond]

3. was there any cowboy yeehaw music? didnt seen the whole thing.... nt

[EFerrari]

8. Cowboys are not our fastest growing voting block.

[seabeyond]

14. was it a dem rally? nt

[EFerrari]

17. Um, it's the fastest growing block IN THE COUNTRY

not only in the Dem party.

[seabeyond]

29. ok.... so. i am just not going to be outraged. nt

[ensho]

39. I'm not 'outraged'. I'm trying to understand why no hispanics or

hispanic music?

[seabeyond]

42. maybe they did not feel it was a rallying to represent all people and all culture.

maybe that was not what the rally was about or the intent and goal of the rally.

[Beaverhausen]

43. Do all hispanics only like hispanic music?

[EFerrari]

51. What does that have to do with anything?

I'm lost.

[Beaverhausen]

56. Because it just might be the case that hispanics liked the music that was played at the rally

and aren't concerned about not being 'represented' by a group playing "hispanic music."

[EFerrari]

62. What does that have to do with the OP wishing there had been some?

I don't think the OP was claiming to speak for all Latinos. This one really liked the music and yeah, it would have been nice to have an act on the bill.

/ack

[Iggo]

83. Hell no. In fact, a lot of us don't think much of the word 'hispanic.' (n/t)

[Codeine]

44. Define "Hispanic music".

Tango? Bolero? Rumba? Salsa? Bambuco?

[AsahinaKimi]

118. There was no Asian music either..

I have no beef over that.. I think the entire event represented all of us.

[EFerrari]

Who is asking you to be outraged?

Is that the only speed we have here any more?

LOL

[seabeyond]

57. it sure sounds like op and you.... perception. if not, i would think first answer would

about cover it.

[EFerrari]

59. This place cracks me up any more. n/t

[seabeyond]

61. ya i laugh a lot. one of the things dear about it. also makes me shake my head more...

like this op. you understand how big the cc music audience is? huge....

[EFerrari]

90. So when people express a wish to you, you laugh at them?

Cool.

[seabeyond]

100. ah, it is a wish. didnt know. if it is a funny wish i may laugh with them. and....

i thought we were talking du as a whole. and as a whole du does often make me laugh. wasnt talking about anything specific. this causes me more to shake my head....

EF... really, this post of yours has little to do with what i was saying, and just a fabrication for a jab, right?

[EFerrari]

101. Maybe you read a different OP than I did. And, ciao to this thread. n/t

[U4ikLefty]

114. I know Mexicans that say they were the first cowboys.

So maybe they are being represented after all.

[Codeine]

4. You folks will find anything to bitch about.

Jesus fucking Christ.

[seabeyond]

15. seems like, i mean... whites, there were whites there. nt

[ensho]

16. I'm not a 'folk'. I'm asking a serious question. they left out a whole

huge amount of americans.

I don't understand why.

[Codeine]

27. Because they didn't play "hispanic music"?

Seriously? You think they're going to be offended? I thought all the music was universally shite and I remain unoffended. :shrug: Pandering in that fashion is rather classless anyway.

[WolverineDG]

109. cuz everyone knows hispanics only listen to mexican music in your book, right?

sheesh.

stereotype much?

dg

[Bluebear]

81. "You folks"....a riff on "you people"

[WolverineDG]

107. no shit

too many white people showed up, the right wing nuts will make fun of us....why bother having rallies at all...woe is me....the sky is falling....

jeepers.

dg

[proteus_lives]

122. +1000

What? There the was no Mongolian throat-singing?

The horror!

[sagetea]

5. Well...

there were no Native Americans there either, maybe we just have to compromise?

Ho
sage

[ensho]

9. I noticed that too. I don't get it. I don't understand.

nt

[sagetea]

35. I really don't care about it,

there would never be enough time to have everybody speaking.

It was very good rally, and Jon's speech at the end was very eloquent.What I said in that reply to the op was a little sarcastic.

I just thought we should all just be happy with what this was supposed to be.

Ho
sage

[lunatica]

7. Oh please! Hyperbolic much?

There was no Asian music, or Italian Arias, or Celtic Riverdance singing, or Irish ballads either, but I bet there were plenty of those people there.

[Phentex]

10. Italians rule!

This is America afterall!

Go Italy!

Go Anthony Dominick Benedetto!

:nopity:

[txlibdem]

96. Father Guido Sarducci

For the benefit of those too young to have caught him on Saturday Night Live...
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Father%20Guido%20Sarducci

And, no, he's not a "real" Catholic Priest.

[Codeine]

11. No punk rock, death metal, goth, emo, screamo, thrash,

house, techno, or apocalyptic folk either.

I'm enraged. Also concerned.

Write your fucking Congressman RIGHT NOW!

[Phentex]

18. No children sang...damn ageists!

:)

[EFerrari]

21. What about 7 Year Old Girl? She was on for the finale.

This thread pretty much shows that whole unity thing doesn't work. So far, no one has said,"Hmm, you know ensho, you're right. I wonder why they didn't have a Latino act."

How hard would that be?

lol

/typing

[Phentex]

26. Did she sing?

I thought we were talking about all of the groups who did not perform?

[EFerrari]

28. I don't know. She made some great faces into the camera.

lol

:)

[Phentex]

31. some great WHITE faces!

oh, the outrage

[EFerrari]

45. Really, really tone deaf. The OP didn't express outrage.

And, btw, Latinos come in all colors including white. :hi:

[Phentex]

Then how do you or the OP know they weren't singing?

the op says none were represented. How do you know?

[ensho]

63. maybe I used the wrong word and should have said Latino?

nt

[EFerrari]

64. Everything at DU has to be made very obvious these days

because peopole go into threads looking to defend a side.

[Phentex]

67. or see a "side" when there was only ONE side at the rally,

no?

I saw the rally as one side. The OP didn't see a Latin representation. WHO is the divider here?

[EFerrari]

71. Noticing there was no Latino group is not divisive unless you are looking for a fight.

Duh.

[Phentex]

74. that's why the OP posted

really it's flame bait

[EFerrari]

77. LOL

[Hekate]

135. Actually, the OP did express a mild annoyance by saying it was "a slap... they were invisible"

A mild annoyance then carried through the rest of the thread so that we could all understand just how very annoying that was that Latinos were slapped and made invisible.

At a rally held by two comedians.

But you're right. It wasn't outrage as such.

Hekate

[Hekate]

134. They totally needed a Mariachi band.

[cliffordu]

12. You are always sad.

Big deal.

[ensho]

19. and you always follow me around like a puppy dog

nt

[Name removed]

85. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Obamanaut]

94. +1. LOL! nt

[NYC_SKP]

41. Yo.

Apparently you missed my earlier post because Jerry Brown came to Mayberry this morning, I was setting up since 7 am, waitin' on ya.

FFS, if you hurry you can catch him in Merced, a little spot even more miserable than here, tho they do have a UC.

Bro.

:toast:

[cliffordu]

82. Not me, I've just about rounded up this gaggle of lawyers for some

therapy.

We're gonna play Undisclosed Location Waterpark.

[Codeine]

13. Music event. nt

[blogslut]

20. Oh.For.Fuck's.Sake

gah!

[jillan]

23. There was no country music - wtf??

:P

[EFerrari]

24. Maybe next time, ensho.

:hi:

[ensho]

25. we can hope

as they say

[devilgrrl]

30. Why no Reggae or hip-hop either?

:eyes:

[Phentex]

33. Kid Rock has done hip hop...

next!

[Hekate]

133. NO REGGAE?! I'm outraged, I tell you. OUTRAGED.

I have a cousin who's a reggae band promoter, and I will tell her she ought to be writing Stewart and Colbert a stern letter RTFN. :grr:

Hekate

[NYC_SKP]

32. CSPAN caller just now, "In DC, where were all the blacks, blah blah blah blah"...

Seemed to be suggesting that the crowd was 'unnatural' or something.

Well, maybe a lot of people came from many places outside DC, maybe tourist who come from all around were present.

As to the music, well, I was wondering why no techno, no house music, although we did have the Staples' "I'll take you there."

And Tony Bennett.

:bounce:

[Phentex]

34. LOL!

:rofl:

[Journeyman]

36. Seems ensho missed the whole point of the rally. . .

too bad -- maybe someone can explain it to her, in Esperanto perhaps. . .

[ensho]

49. as I said up top - it was great, super, excellent. John's ending speech

was perfect.

I'm just trying to understand why no hispanics

[Journeyman]

80. Mi ne komprenas vin . .

"I don't understand you." The event was "great, super, excellent" and ended with a perfect speech, yet you fault it because it didn't fulfill your narrowly defined need. As is said below, "Part of the sanity bit is realizing that not everything should be run by racial/ethnic checklists." But you'd prefer to amplify rather than reflect. Kial estas tio? Why is that?

[EFerrari]

55. Wait, ensho can't be sad there were no Latino acts without

missing the whole point of the rally?

:wtf:

[Journeyman]

37. Seems ensho missed the whole point of the rally. . .

too bad -- maybe someone can explain it to her, in Esperanto perhaps. . .

[Codeine]

38. The disgusting lack of both Cannibal Corpse AND Dethklok

has left me completely enraged! No metal is just a slap in the face.

[taterguy]

105. Did you watch the fucking rally?

Ozzy fucking Osborne is fucking metal.

He went off the rails on his Crraaaazzzzy Train.

[Codeine]

111. Ozzy is my mom's metal.

:evilgrin:

[taterguy]

113. That makes me sad

[proteus_lives]

124. DETHKLOK RULES!!!!!!

PLAY AWAKEN!!!

[Beaverhausen]

40. No showtunes! Where were the GEEKSTERS?

[Systematic Chaos]

46. It's clearly your punishment

for all the times you post your anti-nuclear bullshit in GD instead of Environment/Energy where it can receive the proper treatment it deserves.

:)

[Codeine]

47. BWAAAAAHAHAHA!

:rofl:

[ensho]

54. lol

nt

[Fuzz]

48. I didn't see any smurfs either.

[DevonRex]

69. I saw them. They were hispanic smurfs.

And man, Santana has just the cutest drummer EVAH. And Sly and the Family Stone kicked ass.

Oh. Sorry. I was watching my Woodstock vid again. Ahem. Cough, cough. :smoke: :hippie:

[EFerrari]

110. Smurfs? Are you for real?

[flor-de-jasmim]

50. Part of the sanity bit is realizing that not everything should be run by racial/ethnic checklists.

[Codeine]

53. Wisdom right here, guys. Read it. Learn it. nt

[saras]

52. WTF?

Anywhere else in the liberal world, this whole thread would be dismissed as profoundly racist.

The question is pretty much the exact equivalent of "how come so few minorities in CEO positions?"
And pretty much every commenter throws out the racial implications to focus on musical trivia.

WTF?

[ensho]

58. the music at this event was not trivial

each music piece had a point.

[Phentex]

60. and what part of there is only so much time

do you not understand? You feel slighted? How the HELL would they represent every "kind" of music? THIS WAS NOT THE OPENING CEREMONY OF THE OLYMPICS!!!!!!

[EFerrari]

66. Why are you yelling at the OP?

lol

[Phentex]

73. just because

}(

[ensho]

68. no where have I said all kinds of music. a huge amount of americans

were left out

[Codeine]

91. How were they "left out"?

Hispanics don't like Cat Stevens or The Roots? Shit, by THAT measure I was left out!

[Beaverhausen]

65. There were only 2 female musical performers- should I be sad about that?

why do you think they chose the performers they did?

[EFerrari]

70. If you are, should you be mocked and bullied?

:shrug:

[Beaverhausen]

72. I didn't start a thread about it, did I?

I want to know if/why Ensho thinks they deliberately did not have any 'hispanic' music on the show.

[EFerrari]

76. People on this thread are really looking for a fight.

Which is a little strange but is apparently the new normal.

[ensho]

84. I don't know if it was deliberate. do you?

nt

[Starbucks Anarchist]

75. Because they only listen to that kind of music, right?

Sounds kind of racist to me.

[Codeine]

79. Haven't you heard?

For America's fastest-growing voting bloc it's all narco-corridos all the time!

This place. :rofl:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

119. And "La Cucaracha" is their "Freebird."

:rofl:

[EFerrari]

121. Seriously. Only here could I read that a Latino act would be

all "narco-corridos" or that "our" Freebird is "La Cucaracha".

This place, indeed. I've never seen such overtly racist crap at DU in all these years.

[EFerrari]

89. It's your conclusion so maybe you can do something about it.

Is this thread for real? I was hoping it was a prank.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

115. Do what about it? It's a non-issue.

[EFerrari]

116. .

[Kurovski]

86. Ricky Martin would have been fun.

especially if George W Bush got up to dance with him, just like in the old days.

[UndertheOcean]

87. ensho is right . I always feel that mainstream culture in the USA resists the inclusion

of Spanish Language , music and customs into its Fabric , and mostly treats it as alien.

I bet you even if Hispanics reach 50% of the population the government will not make Spanish an official language.

Remember the freak out about the national anthem sung in Spanish a few years ago ?

[Codeine]

88. The government will not make Spanish an official language

for the same reason we've never made English an official language. we don't do "official languages" here.

Not to mention the fact that - as with every immigrant group - Latin Americans will stop speaking Spanish after a geeration or two.

[EFerrari]

129. Um, Spanish is already an official language in all the territories

covered in Guadalupe Hidalgo. And if you think Spanish will go away after two generations, you're wrong. It's been here longer than English and going strong.

[HereSince1628]

92. Perfect. A little bit of bitter to set off the sweet.

This is just what today's recipe needed!

Thanks!!!!!

[Obamanaut]

93. Was there music from ALL or any of the various nationalities that

are represented in the varied citizenry of the US?

If not, why not ask about these other omissions as well?

[Codeine]

95. No Oompa Music?!

:mad:

[ensho]

98. because latina is a huge group of americans

nt

[Codeine]

99. Who are not culturally monolithic and who listen to

a shitload of different varities of music, from tangos to Spanish-laguage death metal.

[tammywammy]

104. +1 n/t

[sufrommich]

108. +2 . nt

[EFerrari]

123. ensho never suggested Latino were culturally monolithic.

That's your projection.

[Kurovski]

97. I feel like I wandered into a "Cave".

Geez.

definitely, when someone expresses sadness, that's the time to switch on the shredder.

Yes THAT Cave.

[Xicano]

102. I Thought It Was An Awesome Show!!

As a Mexican I didn't have a problem with the show and I suspect ensho didn't either.

As far as not having hispanic music in the line-up. Being that this was a political rally with the emphasis being (as far as I am concerned) liberal values vs the lunatic-fringe of the conservative right, I don't think it is a big deal with the line-up they had.

On the other hand, and I only say this because of the rabid anti-Mexican attitude being displayed by the conservative right - like for example what Arizona did. I think it would have been nice to see a distinctly Mexican act on the stage just to tweak the noses of the bigoted right-wingnuts and to make a point of inclusiveness. The gesture would have been nice, but, I don't it was a big deal. Now if they would have done that, then, I think there's only one choice to make as to what kind of music to play. Well, there are other sounds of course, but, this one would of been my choice for that.

Some Mariachi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL_3MF01WTY :)


But lets try and keep this into perspective. It was a brilliant show. I loved it!!



P.S. Oh I think it would of also been nice to see a haze of indica/sativa smoke hovering over all those thousands of people in the audience. Ha ha! :)




Peace,
Xicano

[AsahinaKimi]

120. +1

Totally agree. I watched the whole thing on Youtube. It was totally awesome. And best of all...It inadvertently kicked Glenn Beck in the backside.. which tickled me no end!

[EFerrari]

103. ensho, I went out of this thread for a few hours because it made me ill.

You were so careful in your OP. You praised the rally fulsomely before asking your question -- a very legitimate one, considering how vital Latinos are to our coalition and how dysfunctional "mainstream" culture is when it comes to including us.

What happened on this thread is embarrassing to me and I've been here since 2004. The kind of insensitivity shown here should get some kind of award because it was that good.

In any case, thanks for asking. I appreciated that.

[lightningandsnow]

112. Ugh, the replies in this thread...

:puke:

People of colour, as well as other marginalized groups, constantly have their concerns dismissed around here.

[boppers]

117. Armando Galarraga... is what?

Huh.

Why do you think they were invisible to you?

[proteus_lives]

125. Why it's because Stewart and CC are horrible racists.

It can be nothing else.

:sarcasm:

Here would be a fun exercise, track down the Hispanic people who went to the event. See how offended and outraged they were before claiming it as your own.

:eyes:

[EFerrari]

126. The OP did not express outrage. Better switch to knee jerk reaction #2.

[proteus_lives]

131. Yeah, because that's what I was talking about.

[Xicano]

128. Yeah proteus_lives I believe EFerrari is correct.

The OP did not express outrage.

[EFerrari]

130. My brother got home not too long ago. He's a jazz musician

and he sat in at a club in North Beach tonight.

I told him, this thread at DU says you should only be playing narco-corridos and La Cucaracha. He thought that was pretty funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj1sgGQQrew

although, he can front Latino, too. He's the flute on this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUrnvkeCh8k

DU might check out what they think "Latino" is, tal vez.

lol

[proteus_lives]

132. No, just idiocy.

[Morning Dew]

127. CHI - LE! CHI - LE! CHI - LE!

n/m