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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 02:01 AM
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Why you should be very afraid--and it could get much worse after Tuesday...
Representation of the Often-Untaxed Elite - The US Corporatocracy
(original 10/29, Dan S., Seattle)

"US corporatocracy" - the system of government that serves the interests of, and is essentially run by, corporations. It primarily seeks to further ties between government and business--where corporations, multi-national corporations, conglomerates, and private parties including political organizations and highly-paid corporate executives are the primary controls, and are the elite. Areas of control rely on direction and governance often tied to contrived (sometimes fearsome) mass-media visages of elements, ideas, and persons within the country. Within the corporatocracy, objective news reporting is hard to find. The system depends on highly-paid "pundits" for dissemination of major themes.

There is a revolving door between the components of the corporatocracy, including those formally in government. The system retains the superficial appearance of being a democratic republic, by relying on long-standing faith in the democratic voting, legislative, judicial, and executive processes--but below the surface, it is a system of government without true representation of the people. Make no mistake, it's government serving corporations and money for the elite. Big money.

Major activities of the corporatocracy include carrying out economic planning notwithstanding the "free market" label. Because the major interests served in the system are corporate-related, the general welfare of the nation suffers--the benefits of productivity do not proliferate. Compensation as a share of national income falls. Taxes "invert," placing a greater burden on everyone but the rich and the ultra-rich. Some ultra-rich individuals and corporations pay little or no taxes at all; yet ironically, it is this elite group which is the most highly represented in the corporatocracy.

As a result of the massive disparity in distribution of wealth within the consumer-driven economy, demand necessarily relies on easy credit, and/or economic boom/bust cycles. The US Federal Reserve is intimately involved in creating these cycles, but in doing so, has recently run up against a fundamental math barrier (near-zero interest rates). The US Treasury is used as a source of income for the elite, through a series of complex transactions and events which obfuscate where the money is going--but ultimately leave the taxpayer and our children bearing the cost. The corporatocracy distorts basic sciences such as economics; it even presents production of other nations as its own.

The corporatocracy ensnares the US judicial branch within its overall goals. In fact, the judicial system enhances the finances of the system and protects the corporatocracy as if it had the same--if not more--rights than the individual, via the Citizens United decision. It does so against the will of 80 percent of the people. "Unlimited, anonymous funds" allowable through corporate donations to political organizations result in a huge "multiplier effect" on political speech, given the nature of high-tech, mass-media, and broadcasting--a fact not accounted for in the Citizens United decision. The corporatocracy relies on US and foreign financial influences, channeled anonymously through political organizations.

Communist China provides the underpinnings of cheap production, labor, and credit for the corporatocracy; the US nurtures China via offshoring and investment, without the slightest consideration of the long-term consequences. China is about to surpass the US in industrial production, and they are projected to surpass the US in the area of innovation by 2012. They have the worlds largest and most advanced high-speed rail system. They are making far larger strategic investments in Africa than the US. China recently announced the worlds fastest supercomputer.

At the nucleus of the corporatocracy is a non-elected body, the US Chamber of Commerce. This powerful group, known mainly for its political attack ads, is extremely well-financed through mostly anonymous, sometimes foreign entities. It acts as a major focal point for corporations, with a distinct emphasis on the biggest. The Chamber is growing, becoming increasingly dominant in the corporate, media, political, election, legislative, and judicial spheres. It prefers foreign interests over US citizens, carrying an agenda aimed at offshoring US jobs--and tax breaks to corporations which do so. The Chamber also recently kicked off a campaign to change a law which prevents foreign corrupt practices.

Not surprisingly, in the corporatocracy, unemployment is high even during boom periods where corporate profits are rich and the stock market is high, because of a reliance on offshoring and offshore investment. The corporations always seek out what's known in economic terms as "absolute advantage," which in lay terms means "utter selfishness and disregard for the rest of the US." The US tax base is eroded as a consequence (those that profit the most aren't taxed), and the federal debt climbs quickly. Congress acts in lockstep with the Chamber...the President has limited powers...and the judicial branch has been swayed to serve the Chamber. So the Chamber has a lock-down on the three branches of government. In summary--the big money, influence, and decisions flow through the Chamber and its biggest corporate constituents, while the three branches of US government are merely tools.

Through the Chambers comprehensive approach, the corporatocracy achieves an unprecedented fusion of formerly separate powers not only nationally, but on a world-wide basis--against the fundamental principles of separation of powers upon which America was founded. As scary as this reality is, the Chamber goes much further--not only does the Chamber create attack ads up until elections, but it also spends huge (and now anonymous and unlimited) money after elections. This money goes toward spoon-feeding the text of self-benefiting US laws, via the Chambers lobbying activities. And here, not only is it the biggest influence in the world by far, but foreigners can contribute and influence laws without disclosure. Congress--while elected--is handed many of the critical details of US laws by the non-elected Chamber. Make no mistake, it's government serving corporations and money for the elite. Big money.

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=s

"The selfish spirit of commerce knows no country, and feels no passion or principle but that of gain."

- Thomas Jefferson to Larkin Smith, 1809.

Related article below:
- Murdoch-Owned Wall Street Journal Silences Economist, Former Editor
- Murdoch also owns Fox News

America’s job losses are permanent
By Paul Craig Roberts
Online Journal Contributing Writer

Oct 29, 2010, 00:22

Now that a few Democrats and the remnants of the AFL-CIO are waking up to the destructive impact of jobs offshoring on the US economy and millions of American lives, globalism’s advocates have resurrected Dartmouth economist Matthew Slaughter’s discredited finding of several years ago that jobs offshoring by US corporations increases employment and wages in the US.

At the time I exposed Slaughter’s mistakes, but economists dependent on corporate largess understood that it was more profitable to drink Slaughter’s Kool-Aid than to tell the truth. Recently the US Chamber of Commerce rolled out Slaughter’s false argument as a weapon against House Democrats Sandy Levin and Tim Ryan, and the Wall Street Journal had Bill Clinton’s Defense Secretary, William S. Cohen, regurgitate Slaughter’s claim on its op-ed page on October 12.

I sent a letter to the Wall Street Journal, but the editors were not interested in what a former associate editor and columnist for the paper and President Reagan’s Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy had to say. The facade of lies has to be maintained at all costs. There can be no questioning that globalism is good for us.

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_6511.shtml
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 02:08 AM
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1. Keep fear alive. "China" is a manufacturing platform for foreign capital.
If "China" is gaining power, it's our own capitalists funding it.
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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 02:12 AM
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2. Exactly my friend
Boosting China while sucking the US dry. And the republicans will only accelerate the process.
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hendo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 02:20 AM
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3. If you are serious about not wanting to support China...
boycott all of the major tech companies. However, doing that would leave you without a computer, and without the routers and servers are are essentially the internet in itself.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 02:23 AM
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5. almost 100% of electronic exports out of china are wholly foreign-owned.
Edited on Sun Oct-31-10 02:24 AM by Hannah Bell
who, exactly, do you think you're "boycotting"?

capital is global, not national.

i said nothing about not wanting to support china. or wanting to support china. my point was entirely different.
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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 02:39 AM
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8. More forceful measures are needed, and it's gonna be a fight against the republicans
A trade war may be in the cards, but...

We have to basically develop some set of policies to bring our economy back, and quit rewarding behavior which is destructive to the US in the long term. The republicans want quick money.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 02:52 AM
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11. it's not just republicans, if it were, things would be much easier.
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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 03:56 AM
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12. As I point out in my article above ^^^ it's the system of corporatocracy
Edited on Sun Oct-31-10 03:56 AM by OlympicBrian
Not just republicans. In fact, although they are in lockstep with the Chamber of Commerce, I don't mention them once in my article.

:-)
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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 12:21 AM
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21. Obviously though, vote Democrat!
The Corporatocracy is in a love affair with the US Chamber of Commerce and the Republicans.

The Democrats, at least introduced some bills to stop this.
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CommonSensePLZ Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 02:25 AM
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6. Yes, this is when a little fear is NECESARY
We SHOULD be concerned for the future but without making shit up for political gain like FoxNews does.
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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 02:29 AM
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7. The part about the WSJ silencing the economist scares me the most
I mean the guy used to WORK for the WSJ as a columnist and editor!

WSJ and Fox News share the same owner.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 03:59 AM
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 02:22 AM
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4. bkmd to read later.
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Gravel Democrat Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 02:41 AM
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9. It doesn't get any worse than Karen Ignagni
And that happened before Tuesday

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Ignagni

Health Insurance Premiums pay Karen Ignagni $1.58 million + yr

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7914493

When you are told you must attach your "Acceptable Proof of Health Insurance" to your 2014 Federal Tax Return...

Be sure to thank Karen Ignagni.

The Democrats are the party that *ARRESTED* Single payer advocates (Doctors and Nurses) at a HEARING while Karen Ignagni made 1.58 million dollars a year.

Thank You Max Baucus et al.
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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 02:45 AM
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10. It is the duty of the governed, to endeavour to rectify
"It is the duty of the governed, to endeavour to rectify the mistake, and appease the passion. They have not at first any other right, than to represent their grievances, and to pray for redress, unless an emergence is so pressing, as not to allow time for receiving an answer to their applications which rarely happens. If their applications are disregarded, then that kind of position becomes justifiable, which can be made without breaking the laws, or disturbing the public peace. This consists in the prevention of the oppressors reaping advantage from their oppressions, and not in their punishment. For experience may teach them what reason did not; and harsh methods, cannot be proper, till milder ones have failed.

If at length it become undoubted, that an inveterate resolution is formed to annihilate the liberties of the governed, the English history affords frequent examples of resistance by force. What particular circumstances will in any future case justify such resistance, can never be ascertained till they happen. Perhaps it may be allowable to say, generally, that it never can be justifiable, until the people are FULLY CONVINCED, that any further sub-mission will be destructive to their happiness."

- John Dickinson, The Pennsylvania Farmer's Remedy, 1768.

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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 05:37 PM
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14. I forgot to mention...regarding China
China has the world's largest military, and is ramping up on equipment. They have also shown increased aggression towards their neighbors. Yet, we nurture China.

Who is to say when, like in Venezuela, the Chinese government starts to expropriate US facilities there?
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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 07:13 PM
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15. This, though somewhat unrelated, is another reason to be scared
Edited on Sun Oct-31-10 07:19 PM by OlympicBrian
They are suggesting Obama ally with war-monger Republicans in the direction of what could end up as a nuclear confrontation. Let's not forget, Iran will have a bomb soon, and Israel already has many. And who knows if any of the thousands of Russian bombs has somehow snuck away to Iran already?

The war recovery?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/29/AR2010102907404.html

p.s. How exactly would the Republicans keep their campaign promise of lower spending with increased military spending on a new war with Iran?
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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 09:45 PM
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16. A supporting graph for my piece...
Edited on Sun Oct-31-10 09:48 PM by OlympicBrian
To summarize economic trends visually over the last 25 years--­illustrati­ng the growing gap between corporate profits and compensation--from a reliable source, I provide this:

http://research.stlouisfed.org/publications/net/page21.pdf

Notice the growing gap between corporate profits and compensation as share of national income (in the second graph down), over both the short- and long- term.

Do we really want pro-corporate Republicans and Tea Partiers in office who would seek to widen this gap? Have that sinking feeling? Why are corporations allowed to pay next to zero taxes, in some cases?

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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 01:55 AM
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17. Tax rates on richest have dropped, while taxes have gone up on poorest
Notice the huge drop in tax rate on the highest income tax bracket over time, while the tax rate on the lowest tax bracket has gone up over time.

http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/history-of-federal-individual-1.html

Expect more of this if Republicans and Tea Partiers win.
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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:50 AM
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18. Everybody go out and vote!
:-)
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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 09:34 PM
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19. kick
:-)
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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 12:03 AM
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20. Corporate America is using these bonds to shift millions of dollars of tax liabilities
Wall Street is like a heist movie

...

Corporate America is using these bonds to shift millions of dollars of tax liabilities from their boardrooms into your living room.
...

Your retired parents will pick up some of that tab through their bond fund. The rest can be borne by other taxpayers. But the caper doesn’t even end there. These companies can take this money they’ve borrowed from U.S. investors and send it overseas. That will create no jobs here — and if it goes to open a cheap, low-wage factory, may undercut some of the jobs that remain. If they do that, the corporation may escape U.S. taxation on the profits from that money altogether. That’s because corporations get generous tax breaks on overseas profits. It’s a double sting. The bond interest cuts their taxes here. In addition, the money is invested overseas, where it escapes U.S. tax as well.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/wall-street-is-like-a-heist-movie-2010-11-02

p.s. I actually am tired of finding more and more ways Congress put in ways for the ultra-rich to hammer the little guy, while at the same time increasing the federal debt.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 01:01 AM
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22. Yes, PLUS an agenda attacking the EPA,unions,education ,SS,Medicare,
Edited on Tue Nov-02-10 01:03 AM by deacon
science,climate change,VA healthcare, healthcare PLUS subpoeneas will flow.

And, the last thing this country needs is gridlock. You can't have gridlock during an economic crisis. This would be a disaster pointing to a a "right" turn onto Bush Blvd. - a wornout roadway too often traveled that leads off a cliff.
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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 09:13 PM
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23.  Subversion of the US Supreme Court
This study of the rulings of the Burger Court in cases involving the U.S. Chamber of Commerce from 1981-86, like our prior study of the rulings of the Roberts Court, provides only a snapshot in time. It documents a five-year period when the Chamber prevailed in slightly less than half of the cases in which it participated, compared to the 68% success rate it has enjoyed in recent years.

http://theusconstitution.org/blog.history/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Burger-Chamber-Report-10-25-10-FINAL1.pdf

Related:

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/20/scalia-thomas-koch/
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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 11:16 PM
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24. kick
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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 11:26 PM
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25. Social security in the stock market?
What if there were a terrorist attack on the US? How would this affect retirement investments?

The Republicans will push hard for this abominable idea.
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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 05:01 PM
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26. kick
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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-10 07:14 PM
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27. Bill Moyers: "Welcome to the Plutocracy!"
A interesting piece, though I still lean towards calling the US a Coporatocracy, since it's more descriptive. A Plutocracy is control by the wealthy--but could exist without a corporate system of control.

Perhaps, then, it is best to describe Corporatocracy as a special form of a Plutocracy.

http://www.truth-out.org/bill-moyers-money-fights-hard-and-it-fights-dirty64766
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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 03:07 AM
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28. kick
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 03:23 AM
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29. Open Secrets is a treasure.
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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 06:41 PM
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30. Corporate fat-cats take more of the pie while rest of economy ails
Corporate America's profits have been rising to all-time highs, even with our economy in tatters, with millions out of work, and American incomes actually going down. Remarkably, ultra-rich corporations are now taking this opportunity to grab an even greater share of income and productivity--while they refuse to create new US jobs. With the Republicans in office, corporations will no doubt ask for still-more, in the form of tax breaks--despite the fact that corporate profits and cash hoards are near all-time highs.

Foolish people will let Congress give corporations tax breaks, because they are told the corporations somehow need them. Fact is, many corporations already use tax loopholes to avoid paying any taxes at all.

Meanwhile, here is the state of things for the rest of us...

September 10, 2009, 11:52 am
A Decade With No Income Gains
By DAVID LEONHARDT
The typical American household made less money last year than the typical household made a full decade ago.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/10/a-decade-with-no-income-gain/

(note the second graph here)

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/10/poverty-rate-rises/

WSJ- Wages Still Under Pressure
Rising Tide of Unemployed Lets Employers Keep Lid on Pay Amid Productivity Gains

"Wages of U.S. employees are generally stagnant and likely to remain so as the pool of unemployed workers helps employers keep wages from rising even as productivity, or output per hour of work, soars."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126300214621122539.html

The above is also nicely illustrated by the St Louis Fed graph below, which shows a distinct long-term downward pressure on compensation as percent share of national income (over 25 years), as well as a sharp drop in this line in late 2009 and the first half of 2010. In this graph, note the skyrocketing corporate profits as percent share of national income--near all-time highs--as well as the longer-term widening gap between the corporate profits line and compensation (see the second graph down):

http://research.stlouisfed.org/publications/net/page21.pdf

You can see some of the same trend of sagging wages in this table--the "wages and salaries" line drops:

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=EC_ectbrief

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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 11:20 PM
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31. Tax burden being shifted to middle and upper-middle class while ultra-rich get huge cuts
Edited on Fri Nov-05-10 11:23 PM by OlympicBrian
Here's an expert opinion on the US income tax system--as written by a Northwestern University Professor.

"We need to know how the ultra rich ensure they pay an effective tax rate vastly lower than the average US citizen. This is an inversion of the federal income tax system put in place in 1913. It was exclusively a tax on the richest citizens. Anyone making less than $95,000 (2010 dollars) was exempt. Zero income tax. It was aimed at those with the greatest ability to pay. It remained a tax on the wealthy until 1939. From then on, the great inversion began, so that by the second half of the 20th century a tax intended only for the rich barely touched them.

We are seeing in the comments a lot of standard complaining about taxes (extortion, theft, etc). It is not just the absolute level of taxes that angers people, but the grotesque unfairness of the system (either burdens fall heavier on those less able to pay, or the supposedly progressive system is subverted by things like the Income Defense Industry so that those with resources evade paying their fair share)."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/JeffreyWinters/americas-income-defense-i_b_772723_64729413.html

Nice graph:

http://www.visualizingeconomics.com/2007/11/03/nytimes-historical-tax-rates-by-income-group/

This substantiates that the middle and upper-middle class are bearing a greater brunt of income taxes, while the ultra-rich make out big--even before loopholes.
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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:28 PM
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33. How to fix some some offshore loopholes...
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 03:30 PM by OlympicBrian
"I made my living as part of this (tax evasion for the ultra-rich) industry. The brightest minds were drawn to it. My skill was to structure international transactions. I'd learn both the US and foreign tax systems and find and exploit places where the seams between the systems did not line up. I saved clients millions of dollars in tax. What I did was legal, and I slept at night, sometimes, by justifying to myself that my clients could use the money more productively than the government. I had limits, yet knew many who did not, and sometimes lost clients to them. One of my competitors who stole clients from me was convicted in the KPMG scandal. Serves him right.

The IRS had no chance. I never lost a case. 95% of the time they never found the issue. And when they did, they didn't have the intellectual horsepower to win. $65,000 a year government bureaucrats just can't keep up with tax accountants and lawyers making $1 million. There is a reason why they work for the IRS - they are not very smart and they don't work very hard.

Can Congress shut this business down? Not easily. The IRS has limited ability to tax outside the US, and draconian measures would make American companies uncompetitive in world markets. So there will always be jobs for people like me, moving money around the world, keeping it away from government.

I retired from that business by the way. Now I teach new generations how to do"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Amalek/americas-income-defense-i_b_772723_64700254.html

And his suggestion how to FIX part of this:

"Yes, here is an easy one to start. Private equity gets to pay tax at capital gains rates on their earned income. It is called a carried interest. They have been trying to close this loophole for years, but congress keeps getting bought off. There is big money here, and no justification whatsoever for this treatment.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Amalek/americas-income-defense-i_b_772723_64709494.html
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johnlucas Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 12:24 AM
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32. I hope it gets MUCH worse. It's the only way people will get energized.
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 12:30 AM by johnlucas
In the Bush era, I hated everything that administration stood for & I hated its so-called opposition the mealy-mouthed weak-willed Democrats.
After so much flagrant corruption unchecked from that joke of an administration, after awhile I hoped that Bush got everything he wanted including that war on Iran.

Why would I want such a thing?
Because there were not enough calls for his head, that's why.
People were just content to complain on message boards & whine to friends. But they certainly weren't about to DO nothing about it.
Some ol' sad "write your congressman" jazz like that ever did a damn thing.
Their asses were never on the line. YOURS is!!

Why would you think someone who never had to deal directly with your situation can fight for your cause? Why do you believe in fighting by proxy?
That's like saying my child misbehaved so I'm gonna go next door & have my neighbor deliver the punishment.
YOU have to do the spanking, the scolding, & the time-outs. YOU YOU YOU!! Not nobody else. YOU!!!

It was always peculiar how we had to have Representatives instead of a person suffering the problem directly arguing his/her case passionately (the only way true passion can come is from the direct source). In city council meetings, you have citizens come to the city hall directly & argue their cases. It might not slickly done or oratorically correct but it's from the heart & from someone directly dealing with the problem. That type of person will always be able to tell you the details of what's wrong.

Americans like to think everything formed by America is the best ever made by default. We think our governmental system is the best of all possible governmental systems. It's NOT.
If it was, we wouldn't have all of these lingering problems from generation to generation. There's something better out there.

It's sad but people don't react like they should until they know in all senses that their ass, their very survival is on the line. If they're in any way comfortable, you won't even get them to MOVE. Status Quos don't reform a damn thing. It takes that radical energy to move mountains. When people are put into a fight or flight reflexive response, THAT'S when we're gonna see results.
And either they confront or they cower. Either stand up to 'em or they run away.

THAT'S why I wanted Bush to run the country BELOW the ground not just into the ground. When his stupidity caused people to recognize just how dire their situation is, THAT'S when you were gonna see action. We got a taste of it in 2008 & Obama got in on that wave. He dropped the ball & that's why people like suckers voted back in the very jabronies that got 'em into this situation in the first place.

From now on I hope the Republicans tear up every single thing that they can. The very existence of a Middle Class is why we don't have the proper energetic response to this corruption.
The so-called Democratic advocates are removed from the reality of the crisis. They're fed, housed & comfortable.

Destroy it all Republicans! Maybe, just maybe, before you're finished with your destruction, people will get energized enough to destroy You.
And I ain't talking about voting.
John Lucas
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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 03:32 PM
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34. You sound angry, see my post above...
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johnlucas Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-07-10 04:01 AM
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35. It's far beyond anger at this point.
Edited on Sun Nov-07-10 04:01 AM by johnlucas
Angry was 7 years ago.

And about that quote you referred me to...

I say this to that.

The governed can only be governed if they let themselves be governed.
Might makes right & the governed's numbers outweigh the numbers of the governors.
It's just a matter of when the governed exercise that might.

We don't need permission. We always had the power within ourselves.
Laws are just words written on paper.
John Lucas
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OlympicBrian Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 12:42 AM
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36. kick
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