children's art in Hitler's death camps

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recently discovered hidden children's art done at the camps was very revealing. the kids knew the score.

Hitler did a PR thing. he made a section in the camp that taught the captive kids art so he could show the public how humane his death camps where. art teachers, the whole nine yards. however the kids drew the truth and a teacher hid the pictures.

an interview with an old woman who had been one of the kids that survived the camps. said another dying woman kept telling her not to give up. that she had too survive and with her finger she would draw a heart on the girls arm. she did not give up and survived.

so we have a US Senator that likes to dress up as a Nazi and do enactments.

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this man should be covered with shit and run out of Washington, D.C.
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what is the matter with the House and Senate that they give him a pass?

too many of america's young people don't realize how awful those camps were.

as a reminder: they made change purses out of women's nipples. they made lampshades out of human skin. they did horrible experiments on women . . . . . .

just a few of their dirty, nasty deeds.

Boner needs to spend the rest of his life chained inside a sewer.

[alcibiades_mystery]

1. What Senator?

I know there was a CANDIDATE for the US House who did WWII re-enactments, which is bad enough, but what Senator are you referring to?

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2. Boner

nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

3. Wow

First of all, John Boehner is not a US Senator. He's a representative for the 8th District in Ohio...in the House of Representatives.

Second of all, Boehner was not the one who was a re-enactor, though he did campaign on behalf of that candidate, whose name is Rich Iott.

The depth of ignorance in your post is pretty astounding.

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6. whatever post he has in govt. - I don't spend much time on him

because he so dirty.

I get emotional about the death camps. I grew up seeing news movies and reading news reports in Wash. D.C. newspapers, and magazines during WWII. back then the news reels should the blood and gore of war. when the camps were liberated the pictures showed living skeletons smiling with joy. they were too weak to do much more then smile. it was horrible.

after posting the thread I broke down and cried and had to fix a cup of tea to get it together again.

so you think because I got his job wrong its ok he is a nazi fan?

[BlancheSplanchnik]

8. I got your point, ensho

and a damn good point it was.

Don't let the petty carpers get you down.

:pals:

[alcibiades_mystery]

11. "so you think because I got his job wrong its ok he is a nazi fan?"

Don't be ridiculous.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

7. third of all, missing the point of the post in order to ego-stroke yourself for your great knowledge

is ignorant. Slapping anyone across the face with hostile insults for a minor error is ugly.

The OP's point was to highlight the sewer of inhumanity that extremist politik is floating in; it is appropriate to address yourself to the larger theme and offer detail corrections courteously.

Petty carping over tangents is shallow.

[alcibiades_mystery]

10. Facts matter

They just do.

Larger points are nonsense when they can't attend to basic facts.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

12. sorry, but false equivalency, THE preferred logical fallacy of the RW, isn't acceptable

You're equating what amounts to misspelling a name with real factual inaccuracy--such as twisting the message or misrepresenting critical information, which impacts the conversation in a way nomenclature (such as Official Title) errors do not.

For example, if I mistake Jon Stewart's network affiliation, though it would be a factual error, I have not skewed the content of his message one bit.

If, however, I take remarks out of context and cut and paste to create something he never said and would never say, I have propagandized.

RW spin often derails attention to the truth of an issue in the same way you are, by DISTRACTING and DISCREDITING with trivial detail arguments/outrage that actually have no credibility.

Inability to see facts, context and consequence as a whole leads to rationality failures such as biblical literalism.

[alcibiades_mystery]

14. Yeah, but it wasn't misspelling the name

It was 1) misstating a job title, twice AND
2) misstating who actually did the Nazi re-enactment.

The OP was WRONG that Boehner is a Senator, and WRONG that Boehner did the re-enactment.

That seems to be fairly serious factual inaccuracy.

Here's what the OP actually says: "so we have a US Senator that likes to dress up as a Nazi and do enactments."

You think it's a trivial detail to say, well, no, we don't "have a US Senator who likes to dress up as a Nazi and do re-enactments"? The OP is false on its face. False on its face.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

15. Prima Facie... yes yes, very impressive. Logically and from life experience, we all know

that just because a matter appears to be evident from a certain presentation of the facts, it does not follow that that matter has any truthful validity - nor does it follow that mislabeling subverts the intended meaning of a message.

So, just because you insist on OP disqualification based on your presentation of prima facie evidence does not in fact make the OP's point invalid.

It is quite clear that the OP's point is, this: Emulating and idealizing Nazism is fundamentally abhorrent; a public figure Tea Partier engages in such behavior. Innocent mix-ups regarding senatorship does not change this central point.

OP's Corollary: The RW espouses violence and fascistic views and gives free passes to its own members regardless of their egregious behavior.

See how that works? How obsession with facts of lesser importance can discourage fruitful discussion?



Also, you completely ignore my original point. To repeat, the OP's point was to highlight the sewer of inhumanity that extremist politik is floating in; it is appropriate to address yourself to the larger theme and offer detail corrections courteously.

I was directing your attention to your hostile insult of the OP author which was boorish and uncalled for. As I said, hostile insults for a minor error are ugly.

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. Actually, I take false accusations to be a major matter indeed

You may feel it's "appropriate" to abstract from a directly false accusation to reach some larger point, as if outright falsehoods about a person - whether made out of ignorance or malice - are a "minor" matter. I don't think it's appropriate to make false accusations about people, as the OP very clearly did, and I will call people on it every time, and as forcefully as I can. In this case, the OP accused John Boehner of being a Nazi "enactor." It's fucking false. Maybe you can live with that by the power of abstraction, but in my world, that's a shitty fucking thing to do, whether to friend or enemy.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

18. there was no accusation of Boner--the author goofed

simply goofed. All out belligerence is way out of proportion, and as I've said several times already, out of keeping with the point of the OP.

It really was not the federal case you're making it out to be.

To me, you seem to be on a huge rant to justify yourself and your antagonism.

Just how your reactions feel to me--as I said from the start, you were nasty to the OP author for no good reason.


Signing Off on this convo
Blanche

[alcibiades_mystery]

19. Whether through ignorance or malice

The author goofed. Oh well.

OP: "so we have a US Senator that likes to dress up as a Nazi and do enactments."
Me: "What Senator?"
OP: "Boner."

That's a false accusation. Period. And it's ignorant on two levels, as I pointed out. The only one making "a federal case" in this thread is you.

[Fire1]

4. Not just Boner! McConnell and all the rest of these sheep in

wolve's clothing! Chained inside a sewer? I can live with that.:toast:

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5. yes, its not just him

nt

[Leftist Agitator]

9. Do you have a link to this art?

Por Favor?

[woo me with science]

17. This person has a photostream of them on Flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9679871@N04/3712809099/

You can also google "children's drawings Terezin," and you will see quite a few in the results.

If you google "holocaust children's drawings," you will also see some heartbreaking ones from Darfur.

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20. thank you for these links

nt

[Matariki]

13. How do you get from your horror at the terrible things done to human beings

to wanting someone chained in a sewer for the rest of their lives? Seems that if you have the empathy to be as upset about what was done to people in Hitler's death camps, you wouldn't fantasize torturing someone for being an insensitive lout.

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21. Boehner and his ilk need to go in front of an Ethics committe

then chained up in a sewer

[Matariki]

22. Your response made me laugh.

And then feel a bit guilty for it ;-)