Mission Accomplished. It is Mr. Bush's war now. He started it. He now owns it 100%

[L. Coyote]

The bottom line is the President could sustain a veto.
Time to move on to the next strategy.
Maybe the Articles of Impeachment?

This is now perceived as Bush's war. That Mission Accomplished!

[mnmoderatedem]

1. Exactly

with all the talk of "caving", I think democrats have accomplished what they set out to do, and all they really can do; put the entire mess in shrub's lap, where it belongs.

[mrcheerful]

2. Yep history will show this as a republican war no matter how they try to spin it.

[proud2BlibKansan]

7. So history will forget about yesterday's bill?

I doubt it.

[pampango]

I agree, though I am not sure that bothers you-know-who at all.

Congressional Repubs sure, but not "he whose name must not be spoken".

I do wonder whom History (well that small fraction of History that politicians choose to use in their future campaigns) will hang the inevitable defeat on (the coming "Who lost Iraq?" debate)? Not questioning whom we will hang it on, that should be obvious, but how the spinmeisters and professional politicians will be able to play it.

[L. Coyote]

27. I get the impresson sometimes that DU is half infiltrators, like Chicago '68.

Is this Dem-bashers Underground?

Hey, we're dealing with really dedicated people here.
How many people in DU have walked the Halls of Congress, or know a Congress person personally?
How many understand just a little bit of what is involved and the difficulties they face daily?

It is very easy to bash away and throw stones.
It is very difficult to build a house of stone.

Pick which group you want to be know as!

[proud2BlibKansan]

36. Me me and me

But I still think they are chicken shits. They caved. To the worst president ever. He is a war monger and a criminal and they not only refuse to impeach him but they are giving him his war chest as well.

I am so disgusted I just want to :puke:.

[John Q. Citizen]

31. Yes the public was confused before now, which is why they voted Dem in Nov.

But now they got it straight.

That's why they won't be voting Dem come 08, because, oh, wait a minute, now I'm confused.

What did you say again?

So when the Dems vote to fund bush's war, that puts it in bush's lap? How so?

[whistle]

3. Yes, Impeach Dick Cheney, then Bush, then the remainder of the Bush

...operatives including Rove, Gonzales, Rice, etc. Clean house and take our government back

[Atman]

4. BUSH DOESN'T CARE! You need to realize that. This was a BUSINESS deal.

The fake "democracy" installed was only to make the oil theft look like their choice. Remember the scene in F9/11, at the trade show where they were essentially selling off Iraq's resources? That wasn't a figment of Michael Moore's imagination as the freepers want you to believe. That's what it's all about...the invasion of forceful take-over of a nation and it's resources. And more importantly, the building of the super-embassy and endless contracts for the likes of Halliburton and the defense contractors. Bush could give a flying fuck if he is perceived as "owning" this. He and Unca Dick can sop up their tears and the blood of our children with fresh new hundred dollar bills looted from the treasury.

I repeat, these people just don't care. It's all about the money. And they're doing quite well in that department, thank you very much.

.

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. No the Dems own it too

They sent him the damn bill he wanted. Bastards. Chickenshits - all of them.

[durablend]

8. Own it and got pwned at the same time n/t

[Critters2]

39. Exactly. Thank you. nt

[Robbien]

6. Bush could sustain a veto and funding for Iraq would therefore end

But Democrats couldn't let that happen.

Oh no. Democrats clearly want the Iraq carnage to continue so put forth a bill with full funding and no plans on leaving.

[L. Coyote]

22. Have you lost your mind, or are you watching the news from another planer?

You write, "Democrats clearly want the Iraq carnage to continue..." So, you're a Republican now?

[Robbien]

26. We are now presenting a full funding bill for the Iraq Carnage to continue

It contains full funding and has no withdrawal plans. Democrats plan on making sure it passes. Democrats plan on twisting arms to make sure.

If I am a Republican, then so must Nancy Pelosi, Steny Hoyer and almost every single Democrat in DC.

[Beelzebud]

9. This was already Bush's war. The Dems just bought a share of it.

[L. Coyote]

19. They sold their share of it to the 40 plus who would not override the veto.

[Beelzebud]

21. keep telling yourself that...

[Raven]

10. How many kids will die so that the Democrats can make a point?

I would applaud the tactic if so many weren't dying everyday. Anyway, this will be Bush's war until January 2009 when it will become the Democrats' war and any blood shed during the withdrawal of troops or after we're gone will be on the Democrats' hands. We have to start leaving now, not later.

[BOSSHOG]

11. The best evidence that this is bush's war

is the loud denials from conservative republicans when someone says it is. They opine that this is America's war. I find that odd, wouldn't they not want to give credit where credit is due? Wouldn't they bray proudly about how our situation in Iraq is how conservatives solve problems? I think they should. Pride, after all, is a conservative value. So is failure.

[bowens43]

12. Nope. It's now just as much the Democrats war

as the presidents. Thye have the power to stop it and they refuse. They are no better then the Republican controlled congress. The Dems own this war.

[L. Coyote]

24. This is not over. The next chapter awaits. No veto override was the problem.

There are other ways to proceed, like impeachment.

Remember the Articles of Impeachment? House Resolution 333 ???

[acmavm]

13. I have to wonder how anyone here can feel that this move to

give Chimpy & Co. all the money they want to use how they want could in any way be interpreted as a smart move or a victory for the Democratic Party.

Sometimes this place is soooooo Twilight Zone.

[Individualist]

32. Twilight Zone, indeed!

Up is down, betrayal is good, enabling the neocons is best, ignoring voters is preferred procedure, governing for corporations is the ideal, etc.

[trotsky]

14. Maybe the next president should appoint HIM as "war czar".

If it didn't mean even more of our brave men & women coming home in coffins, I'd be all for it.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

15. The American People vs George W Bush (we need a refund)

We the people want G W Bush to fund his own wars out of his own pocket. He can tap the rest of his family for it if he runs short.

[Monkeyman]

16. How Many More KIA's How Many More Wounded

How Many More Families Destroyed
How Many More Will take their own life's
How Many More will suffer with mental problems
How Many More Put on the dam waiting list
How many more

[Ganja Ninja]

17. Every Democrat that votes to fund this war without end is ...

a co-owner as far as I'm concerned.

[The Stranger]

18. Ralph Nader was right.

The Democrats are funding the war. It is the Democrats' war.

[mrcheerful]

28. Ralph in Japans pocket Nader? The guy who got an american car taken off the market

yet never said a thing about German or Japanese death traps sold to americans? You trust him? What you trying to get a laugh or something? Nader is a sell out and has been a joke since 1965.

[The Stranger]

33. Whatever. He sure as shit was right about these Democrats.

Now that they have been elected, and you may as well have elected Republicans.

[GeorgeGist]

20. Oh my are you reading the tea leaves backwards.

The Democrats are buying this War because Bush vetoed further funding. Remember?

[keopeli]

23. Not for long. The Dems are about to buy a controlling interest with my money. n/t

[mmonk]

25. Funny. Someone who is conservative told me

bush couldn't have gotten away with all the abuses of power and this war without congress. It's not so clear that this is bush's war only. And as long as we're speaking bottom line, the executive branch has no veto over congress if congress decided to de authorize the war. The authorization was a resolution, not a bill. A deauthorization would be a resolution, not a bill. The congress is the only branch that can levy funds and declare war (check the constitution). No, this is our government's war, both republican and democrat. That doesn't mean the democrats can't try and stop it though.

[On the Road]

29. I Think People Here Underestimate the Effects

of letting the funding languish. I do not think it would be seen the way DUers see it.

That is why I tend to like the idea of attaching an Iraq timeline to another essential bill such as funding the operation of the civilian government. It is all about perception, and it is better for the government to shut down than to leave the troops without money.

There are simply not enough votes. The Democrats have a choice between (a) passing a watered-down bill and falsely claiming moral victory, which is what they did, and (b) proposing a bill that is going to fail, in which case the Democrats will be portrayed as losing a functional majority.

The current bill is disappointing and frustrating, but I don't think the leaders have enough support to win the funding war. The immediate impact is not good, but it is moderate enough to allow the Democrats to regain momentum with further action on DoJ.

[opihimoimoi]

30. Despite whats being said; THIS IS BUSHIES WAR

He LIED for it, got it, and now, cannot end it. ITS ALL HIS and the GOP who sucked for him for 6 years...its THEIRS TOO...

Never mind trying to slough off any crap on the DEMs...Bush owns this War and he/GOP gonna pay... one way or the other

[L. Coyote]

34. At least in Vietnam, Bush had a strategy for getting out of the war!!

Remember how Nixon lied too? He campaigned on ending the war, then immediately did an about face. Nixon also invaded countries illegally and lied, lied, and lied.

[opihimoimoi]

38. Bushie made sure he learned to fly an airplane no longer used in Nam

It was his excuse for not going there....

Too boot...he absconded with an AWOL Permit...."I finished my obligation" excuse but no records exist...they were lost...not my fault..." too sweet.....

[MLFerrell]

35. I disagree...

See here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x947815

[Johonny]

37. I wonder what

most of DUers thought was going to happen? I mean did they really think the Dems were not going to fund the war? Why? The Dems said even before the veto they were going to fund the war. It's not like toothless bench marks are any more toothless than toothless end of occupation dates. The war wasn't going to end with this bill no matter what. The war won't end until Americans elect a president that is against this war. If they don't then they only got themselves to blame. Personally I vote Dem in 06 to get the hearings that have been and continue to go on. I think many Dems are doing their job. Hopefully the reaction to this current toothless bill will be enough to get even more Dems and a few Republicans the backbone currently missing in September. But frankly I doubt it.