"If we started impeachment today, we wouldn't have enough time

[proud2BlibKansan]

to finish the proceedings before his term was up."

This is what my congressman's office just told me. He is a very conservative Dem. So I guess this is the chickenshits' latest talking point. "WE DON'T HAVE TIME!" I refuse to call them Democrats; they are now to me known as chickenshits.

The really sad part is that the aide I talked to at my congressman's office agreed with me. He said he wanted them impeached too, he agreed they were war criminals. But he said there is just not enough time to impeach.

I said well they need to do something. How about impeaching Gonzalez or at least a no confidence vote on him? He said well I think he will resign before we need to do that. I said I doubt it, remember how long it took Rumsfeld to get out?

Then I launched into my 'if we had impeached Nixon we wouldn't have Cheney today' lecture.

They are not listening, folks. They don't represent me; they are CHICKENSHITS.

[EFerrari]

1. They're not listening. Maybe we need to buy them all hearing aids.

What is it going to take, camping out at their offices? Didn't we just try that? I honestly don't know what to do today.

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. I am very disheartened and downright depressed.

[EFerrari]

3. I remember Nancy's townhall about 18 months ago.

People were already mad then.

[helderheid]

4. Bullshit. Took 4 months with Clinton.

[proud2BlibKansan]

6. I asked if the repukes worried about time

when they impeached Clinton. :eyes:

[Individualist]

5. Failure to start impeachment proceedings plus

yesterday's complicity with the cabal equals political suicide, IMO. There was already widespread dissatisfaction with the party because of their refusal to impeach. When they caved in to the cabal yesterday, they were also sending a message that they won't oppose anything the neocons want. That was the nail in the coffin.

[proud2BlibKansan]

7. What can we do?

I am soooo frustrated.

[Individualist]

11. There's very little we can do at this point

I would suggest taking to the streets or a march on Washington, but since Pissypants has received congressional approval to do any damn thing he wants, that would be an excuse for him to institute martial law all over the country. Contacting elected dems is an exercise in futility since most of them are obviously only listening to their DLC handlers. What I'm going to do is write in Kucinich in '08. I would write in Gore (he'd win in a landslide if a draft Gore movement were started now), but he has made it clear that he prefers doing what he's doing now and doesn't want the presidency.

[Rosemary2205]

8. Congress does not have a mandate for impeachment - not yet

The mandate was for oversight, put some speedbumps in front of Bush to slow him the hell down, and start the process of going toe to toe with him regarding Iraq (which even I am beginning to think they have decided not to do).

There's no mandate (yet) for impeachment. All the investigating in the world won't matter if the press is on the President's side and refusing to make the case to the American people.

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. The president is a criminal

isn't that more important than any mandate?

[Rosemary2205]

18. In my VERY humble opinion - it's a tossup.

Congress is to uphold and defend the constitution but they are also to respresent their constituents in Washington. IMHO it will take a much bigger constitutional showdown that what we've seen to date to get Congress to be willing to flip the bird to their constituents and go for impeachment regardless.

IMHO the only option at this point is to keep up with the oversight and investigation and see if anything sticks with the American people.

[proud2BlibKansan]

20. I understand completely

I also want the investigations to proceed. But they need to stop telling us impeachment is not on the table.

[Tyler Durden]

9. We kick him out of office, does he lose "Diplomatic Immunity?"

All ex-presidents have enjoyed that, even Nixon because he resigned and was not removed by the law.

THAT is a very interesting thought.

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. If we had impeached Nixon, we wouldn't have Cheney today

An impeachment ruins the careers of the underlings as well as the office holders.

We are looking at little Miss Monica in 30 years as a potential VP unless we impeach the bastards.

[EFerrari]

10. I posted on another thread that maybe we could send a few bucks

to Dennis this weekend -- to show we REMEMBER and we will REMEMBER that he has consistently been a voice for peace and accountability. I don't have a lot to throw around but something beats nothing.

[mmonk]

12. I know they are not.

Unfortunately, the situation is more serious than many are aware of. We are moving towards an elective dictatorship form of government. Ultimately, that's what unitary executive is. Ultimately, that is what unaddressed acts and crimes against the constitution are. The system has been broached. For any that think it is ok, we'll just wait until the next election cycle, understand that the precedent is set for an unenforceable constitution. That is what is agreed to today by enough people in government to make it so. In America, some will live above the laws and foundational constitutional constructs that protect Americans from tyranny of power and protects the idea also, that constraints on majority will on the minority no longer exists in practice.

[AnneD]

15. Even if the impeachment takes a long time......

at least it might hamstring this admin and keep them from creating more problems (like starting a war with Iran).

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. That's a great point.

Thanks.

[H2O Man]

16. We don't have time

to not impeach.

[mmonk]

19. Precisely.

The move towards lawless government advances with every day that it goes by unaddressed. At some point, it may get too far ahead.

[proud2BlibKansan]

22. Amen!!

[TahitiNut]

17. Gee... they found "time" to come back to DC and take up the Shiavo case.

:eyes:

I don't personally give a flying fuck if they have to stay in session 24x7.