Jon Stewart seemed positively giddy over the GOP victory

[NJmaverick]

he even had on the FAUX news anchor to celebrate. Jon you frickin corporate sell out! We are all going to suffer thanks to your efforts.

[Jennicut]

1. He IS in the business of comedy. Repubs in power is full of comedy.

I don't think he personally wanted them to win the House, however.

[negativenihil]

15. +100

It's good for business so to speak.

[BootinUp]

2. ridiculous

He was doing his job, being a comedian and taking shots at Faux news and politics in general.

[bushisanidiot]

3. I'm not a Jon Stewart fan anymore. Colbert is still hilarious, but Jon

has skewered our side so much in an attempt to show that he is "fair" that he is bordering on using Fox's right wing spin to prove his points.

I'm very disappointed in him.

[NJmaverick]

4. I agree

[madmax]

7. He's skewered us because we deserve it

He points out the obvious and OUCH! Sometimes the truth hurts. Just sayin :shrug:

When I write 'us' I mean American voters.

[NJmaverick]

12. Jon skewered the wrong people

[negativenihil]

16. This reminds me...

...of the South Park fan who loves the show for ages...


until they pick on that ONE special public figure.

[NJmaverick]

18. Nope, Jon sold out

big difference

[negativenihil]

39. I'm sorry you feel that way.

By all means, there are a galaxy of other programs on at 11pm. I'm sure you'll find something suitable to your tastes.

[madmax]

80. Ok, we agree to disagree

:)

[Fla_Democrat]

142. Make love, not Warcraft.

:evilgrin:



:smoke:

[DaveinJapan]

58. +1 nt

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

155. NOPE! Not true! What did it for me is the false equivalency. Bill Maher was brilliant tonight

pointing out the ludicrisy of Jon Stewart, equating the teabaggers with Olbermann and those of us on the Left. There is absolutely NO equivalency.

Example: Imagine the horror if the majority of the teabaggers were black. Imagine how the teabaggers would be treated if they called for bringing guns to rallies just miles from the Congress and White House during Bush/Republican administration?

No, Jon! We are NOT the same as the Far Right Loonies!!!

[sabrina 1]

161. That did it for me too. And Rachel was aiming her

whole 'different from Fox' at him tonight also. And her brilliant take on the Rightwing noise machine last night, was also aimed at his false equivalency, when, after spending nearly 30 minutes demonstrating the absolutely unbelievable stupidity of these people, she asked the question and I think she was asking him 'just HOW do you talk to these people'.

Anyone who hasn't seen that show from last night, Turborama has a thread with a link to it somewhere right now. It is classic and while Rachel is more subtle than Keith, it was obvious she was giving Stewart a lesson on why there cannot be common ground with some of these lunatics.

Same thing tonight in 'different from Fox.'

I think Stewart lost a lot of respect when he did that. I see the apologists trying to explain it, but sometimes ARE just what they appear to be. He was arrogant, and I am tired of arrogance. I'm still a fan, but with a little less trust.

[Supersedeas]

165. the equivalency argument is a robust attempt to silence rational criticism from the left

[iris27]

169. We don't have to imagine - we just have to look back

at the Black Panthers.

[sufrommich]

5. Oh, come on. Stewart is a political satirist, nothing more or

less.

[Leopolds Ghost]

151. EVERYONE CHEERED the firing of Rick Sanchez for criticizing Jon (using poor language)

After an interviewer suggested (just a thought, to keep in mind) Jon Stewart was (a) a serious political satirist (b) a discriminated-against minority "just like" Sanchez. This KO debacle is called "bad karma" coming back to bite us in the ass.

Folks are only upset about inappropriate behavior from journalists when our "OWN SIDE" does it. Which creates the perfect excuse for the networks, since they know that liberal bloggers hold their own talkers to a higher standard. We EXPECT IT of Rush and Beck and they know it too, we're WHIPPED and know they won't fire Rush and Beck for similar offense, so we call out the circular firing squad anytime they come up with an excuse to fire a liberal or moderate.

It's also called pragmatism (as in, we shouldn't expect others to defend your favorite journalist fron getting fired if we don't defend the principle of journalists not getting fired. And yet people see no creeping silencing going into effect, like a frog in a pot of water, already reliant on only two channels for information, you don't even bother to tune into broadcast or radio)

I have never gotten the sense that Jon Stewart was anything more than just another "fake liberal" making a schtick out of genuine outrage against the Bush admin. Now that RWers are outraged against Obama it's just another comedy routine.

Postmodernism at its finest: Making fun of the media corruption of news by recapitulating it to his own great personal fortune.

Watch him make fun of KO on his next show, I'll warrant. Just like Sanchez and Sanchez's replacement (who got him fired).

It's ironic because Steven Colbert's persona is TOTALLY MADE UP and yet he comes across as more sincere and thoughtful, through the satire, than Stewart. Notice none of Stewart's other satirical fake journalists come on the show anymore... he no longer satirizes his own bosses.

[madmax]

6. Lighten up on Jon

he's making a fool of the American Voter. It's his schtick like SC being like O'R.

[Leopolds Ghost]

152. Unfortunately a lot of people get their news from satirists who claim it's all fun and games

Everything is fun and games to the media, be they liberal or conservative. The ones with genuine hot button issues that get them outraged, like Olbermann, they get fired.

[Donnachaidh]

8. oh puhleeeze

Total FAIL. I can't even believe a grownup posted this nonsense. :eyes:

[EnlightenedOne]

9. He's supposed to be on Faux on Sunday

at least it should be interesting. I feel a set up, but we'll see.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

114. this should be good ...

can't wait for this ....

[Poboy]

10. Jon practically gave Chris Wallace a BJ in public!

Fawning, gushing praise. Asked to go on his show. He was also VERY prickish to MSNBC and its commentators. Quite bizarre.

The 'journalist' he praised does the very thing he claims to despise.
Chris Wallace??? They were up each others asses. Jon must want to retaliate for the criticism (he mentioned it in a pissy way), and if it means trading in the things he clams to hold dear, so be it.

Maybe his real agenda was to cut down MSNBC because they do some of the same things TDS usually does in pointing out the crazy that is Fox 'news'. Can't have anyone else doing what Jon-jon is doing. I think it is more basic than that though. He gets minor criticism for his Washington picnic, refuses to see and accept that the false equivalence he inferred is inaccurate, so he's decided to go apeshit-bitchy and reinforce his bogus claim by kissing the ass of Chris Wallace.
Paraphrase: 'Please ladies and gentlemen, watch Chris Wallace, he's a great news man. Sunday mornings (gives time)". Repeat how great Chris is...A great show, etc., etc...

Jon, sure can't handle being criticized. Or maybe he can. He handles it by becoming more petty and small minded.

[flamingdem]

13. Ouch, you may be right about Jon being competitive with the hosts of MSNBC nt

[seabeyond]

32. +1. and sneered at obama the next night, more than once. not for a joke, not to be funny

but solely to disrespect. there was no joke in it and too sincere.

[tom_paine]

45. One would expect nothing else from a party that most resembles the German Social Democrats of 1932.

I swear this is like a Disney ride. I get to watch a nation basically undergo the same transformation that Germany went during it's RW Authoritarian transformation without the danger of being physically beaten or killed!

Up to and including German Liberals' and Jews' confusion, coawrdice, denial, befuddlement and false equivalence until it became obvious what was going on and therefore too late to do anything about it.

Jon isn't unique to history, nor are any of us. Humanity has been replaying this same story with the same available roles over and over and over again.

And the Jons of history never learn. Again and again and again, they try to appeal to reason, when science has long ago concluded that human beings are not even close to being creatures of reason, we are emotional, infantile, easily manipulated creatures, as a quick glance at history will show again and again to retroactively confirm the literally thousands of hours of research at universities, PR firms, focus groups, and many other places.

That being said, I do very much appreciate Jon for The Daily Show and other stuff he has done, even though the now standard response of Rationalists when facing rabid, unquestioning authoritarian types, is more rationality. I am not turning on Jon, but it's time we recognized him for what he is. Yet another German Social Democrat of 1932. And his answers, where he bothers to give any, are remarkably similar to theirs. How'd that work out back then, I forget?

Yep, if we just settle everyone down and get more rational, we can BEAT those Nazis!

[Poboy]

53. Well said Mr. Paine. -nt

[AndrewP]

72. Perfectly said n/t

[tom_paine]

83. Thank you for your kind words. I've had 20+ years to connect those dots and finally believe the

evidence of my own lying eyes. I could say my first true awareness was as a young man watching the comically tanked debacle of the Iran-Contra Hearings. Wonder why they ruled from the outset that they would look at NOTHING before 1985? Yeah, why look into how the relationship between the Iranian Terrorists and the Bushies started or anything? How could that possibly help the case? (facepalm)

I couldn't, wouldn't put it all together, even as the evidence piled up before my eyes that something was going on here during the 1980-present period that was so extra-political as the 1919-1933 period in German history, and that many of the same methods were at work, still as successful as they were then.

The Stolen Election of 2000 slapped me awake and suddenly it started falling into place, what I had been seeing all along. We've never met on the Internet, so I have no idea what your story is or how long since your eyes opened to the true nature of recent history.

But it's an awful thing, being able to see it and so very few else can, even at this late date, when we're pretty much locked in a stateroom on the Titanic and she's just beginning to tilt while the water's sloshing at our ankles. I am sure that you know exactly what I mean.

It was once said on an old TV show, "The avalanche has begun, it's too late for the pebbles to vote."

Thanks again for the kind words. Kind words and comfort are pretty much all of us who actually believe in the Founders' now dead vision, have left. Try to stay safe, happy and well for as long as possible.

Buckle up, though. This next part of the Disney ride looks like it's gonna be bumpy!

[Poboy]

96. You express exactly what I feel as well. ALL OF IT. I have been

preparing for the worst for a few years now, and see no reason to slow down on this.
People here are naive and may say "Goodwin's Law" all they like. The rest who refuse to admit are whistling past the graveyard. You take care too, and once again, that you for your posting.

[puebloknot]

120. I've posted many times at DU about ...

... "Defying Hitler" by Sebastian Haffner.

"Haffner occasionally descends to uninteresting generalisations about "national character", but mostly he is more concrete, offering some fascinating insights into the events that moulded his generation.

"The remainder of Defying Hitler covers the Nazi Revolution of 1933. Haffner describes, from the perspective of an ordinary person, the response to the Reichstag fire, the inaction of opposing leaders, the meek surrender of Communist and centrist popular militia, the Jewish boycott, and the steady erosion of freedom amid surface normality.

"It was just this automatic continuation of ordinary life that hindered any lively, forceful reaction against the horror. I have described how the treachery and cowardice of the leaders of the opposition prevented their organisations being used against the Nazis or offering any resistance. That still leaves the question why no individuals ever spontaneously opposed some particular injustice or iniquity they experienced, even if they did not act against the whole. <...> It was hindered by the mechanical continuation of normal daily life."

I'm reading "C Street" by Jeff Sharlett, having already read "The Family" by the same author.

"There are none so blind as those who will not see." (No attribution at the moment.)

[Demstud]

134. I didn't get any of that from watching him.

It's some of you guys on here who seem to have trouble taking criticism. Most of your post is just paranoid bitter drivel.

[sharp_stick]

11. Blaming Jon Stewart

is kind of dumb. Actually it's more than kind of dumb it's dumb all over.

[NJmaverick]

14. Your comments are lacking

in any reason, thought or sense

[sharp_stick]

29. If it fits the OP

it's just about right in my opinion.

[Le Taz Hot]

163. Funny, that's exactly

what I was thinking about your OP. Epic Fail.

[Dreamer Tatum]

43. and maybe a little ugly on the side. nt

[Goblinmonger]

102. He could have said it was "fucking retarded."

That's OK apparently.

[Dreamer Tatum]

113. What, no one remembers their Zappa? nt

[Goblinmonger]

116. I'm ashamed of myself.

No kidding; that was completely stupid on my part. I'm listening to the song right now after you pointed it out. I feel like a failure or an English teacher for not getting that allusion. My apologies to you and Frank.

[MadBadger]

17. Unless this is satire...This thread is a fucking joke

[Champion Jack]

19. +1000

[NJmaverick]

21. Response #10 answers your comments perfecttly

[MadBadger]

26. MSNBC had only Liberals on for their Election Commentary

They DESERVE to be called out for that.

God Forbid Jon Stewart is allowed to like any conservative, any at all. I do remember him though saying to Wallace that hes been a complete softy on Sarah Palin, basically giving her a BJ during those interviews

[Cetacea]

42. Wow. They get three or four hours on one station.

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[NJmaverick]

28. Hulga was that a personal attack?

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[MadHound]

22. And under the bus goes Stewart,

At least until you need him again. Kinda like what the Democratic party does with liberals, teachers, the LGBT community, anti-war folks, civil libertarians. . .

Thank you for being an exemplary model of a modern, centerist Democrat.

[NJmaverick]

24. He joins Liberman and Jan Hamersher who are all deserving

of that trip

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[NJmaverick]

48. Irrational is not a good position

[MadHound]

51. I bow to your expertise on the subject of irrationality,

You seem to have that more than covered.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

121. Jon Stewart went under the bus when he mocked Code Pink last week as being equal to Teabaggers

Did you miss that?

Jon goes "under the bus" regularly.

What needs to go "under the bus" is the overused phrase "under the bus"

[Leopolds Ghost]

153. Do you think that Code Pink are "equal to Teabaggers"?

Much as I disagree with them, I would have no problem with the Tea Party's existence were it not for the fact that they are inveterate racists and/or astroturf. It's only elitist assholes that make fun of grassroots activists. They turn on left-populists and anti-war activists and go after them, too, on a dime. And grassroots activists on the left have no institutional support, no politician willing to associate with them, unlike the Tea Party.

[tom_paine]

23. I want to thank you, NJMaverick, for helping me to overcome my denial.

About our new Democratic logo. Denial is one of if not the most powerful humna emotion and driving force of our civilization. Our civilization is as much defined by what we've done as a species as to what horrors we have consitently closed our eyes to.

I know, it's the Big Picture, and not the Cable TV Conventional Wisdom you so often espouse. Sorry about that. Feel free to dismiss me out of hand.

But when the new logo came out, it kicked in my denial with 100% effectiveness. I shut my eyes. I ignored what the new logo said, nay screamed, because I just didn't want to. Kind of like how you are when legitimate criticism is directed at Obama and the Democratic Party.

Like most FDR New Deal Democrats these days (and there are damned few of us and many more of you DLC corporate types), I see very little of FDRs Democratic principles in our modern craven, half-complicit corporatist Democratic "Leadership", with very few exceptions.

But back to the logo that I shut my eyes to because the truth was too painful. I denied it's existance and disappeared it in my mind. But it really is the perfect logo for our party, from a reality-based perspective.

1) Sterile and empty, not just running from history but cowering from it in it's banality

2) Resembles a substanceless-less corporate logo (even Obama's logo had some substance and meaning)

3) Brings to mind the fast-talking lawyer talk at the end of radio commercials, "Prices do not include taxes and tags. Individual state laws may apply. Democratic Inc. and Republican Inc. are subsidiaries of Ruling Aristocracy, Inc."

Anyway, I want to thank you and others for putting the logo in your sigline, where I had it shoved into my face again and again until I could no longer deny it's existance and it's reality. It is indeed the perefct logo for the New Democratic Party.

P.S. Yes, I voted straight Democratic this election, as I have done in every election since 1998 and I realized that it wasn't a joke, but that the NeoConfederate Republicans had fully resurrected both the KKK Southern Media of the "1870s-the invention of nationally televised TV" and Goebbels strategy for "persuasion". But I knew what the elections' outcome would be as early as April 2009, when it also became clear that the 1993-1994 script was being replayed in it's entirety by both subsidiary parties.

[Major Hogwash]

97. So that's what it is.

I didn't know what the hell that logo was.
I thought he was a Detroit Lions fan.

[Ignis]

122. Aren't you glad we have minders to keep us in line?

Some of us were dangerously close to expressing an opinion on the logo that didn't align perfectly with The Official Word.

[axollot]

132. Thanks for pointing out the logo! Was wondering what that was and yes, we do have

some hard core corporate Dem's. You nailed it, mate. Nailed it!

Cheers
sandy

[Matariki]

172. Jeez - Great Post - depressing, but great.

[Cetacea]

27. He picked an interesting time and place for his BS false equivilancy critique

Obermann and Shultz=thirty years of Rush, "Crossfire" Fox News and just about every other media. Right Jon. If you really believe that then you are a lot dumber than you act.

[MadBadger]

31. He says they both go over the top (which they do). He never said they are equals

Stop making shit up

[NJmaverick]

33. He implied they were equals which is just as bad

[Cetacea]

34. He gave them equal visual time and it was deceptive.

Over the top? They have thirty years on us.

[tsuki]

47. I don't watch Stewart anymore. Husband fell in love with Maddow to the

point he put her on his future wives list along with Steph Miller (Good luck, old man. Looks like you are stuck with me.) I did see this clip. And after a long absence, I found it strange.

The back and forth about Rupert Roo's TV News seemed a little pat, not scripted, but not spontaneous.

To complain to Chris "you're the only journalist, and do good work" Wallace about being criticized for a false equivalency charge was strange. I think that the best straight journalist on that channel is Shep Smith.

Strange timing, strange guest, strange interview. That's my take.

[Cetacea]

60. I wasn't aware of the contents of the Wallace interview.

That is almost weirder than the false equivilancy bit. Maybe it's just a competitive thing with the MEN of MSNBC. He didn't go after Maddow (nor Stephie for that matter).

[Poboy]

68. Very petty he was. Praising Chris profusely for the very thing he claims

to object to. The height of hypocracy.

[seabeyond]

30. 2 nights in a row i saw a lot of snarky to obama, flat out disrespect.... he must not

have bonded during his interview. but hey, fox and msnbc are the same only dems dont do it as well as fox, and he will be on sunday morning with fox's true and awesome reporter

[NJmaverick]

35. Jon has lost me as a viewer. Jon's betrayal of the Dems and liberals

is not something I take lightly. If he thinks he can pick up a following from FAUX news he is badly mistaken

[readmoreoften]

156. For once, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

While Colbert's rally could have been an interesting parody of the right, Stewart's skewering of the left, which necessarily included the One Nation march that happened only three weeks before was offensive and apolitical at a time before an election when the opposite was needed.

[Major Hogwash]

36. Because he knows his show will be even more popular next year.

And Jon will continue to "play it down the middle".
He's on too late for me.
I can't watch him even if I wanted to.
The only night I can stay up that late is Friday, and he ain't on Fridays.

What's up with that?

[JitterbugPerfume]

40. Jon disappointed me one time to many

I rarely watch any more

[Stinky The Clown]

41. Sell your teevee

Problem solved

[Cetacea]

44. Just don't vote.

Problem solved.

[Major Hogwash]

46. Stop breathing.

Solves everyone's problem.

LoL

[Cetacea]

49. Just ignore everyone being brainwashed. Gets liberals elected.

Right?

[Dr.Phool]

69. Link?

[Leopolds Ghost]

159. So you think that cable TV is an obligatory expense? Interesting.

No wonder this country has gotten so right wing.

[donco6]

50. "Hon, the stick shows a 'minus' sign. What's that mean?"

"It means I don't love you anymore."

Slam.

[Bobbie Jo]

52. ...and this matters, because?

I stopped giving a shit about popularity contests in high school, you?

[Catherina]

54. So Jon is the corporate sell out, not the Administration? Must be sarcasm n/t

[NJmaverick]

59. Yeah it's not like the Daily show doesn't have corporate sponsors

or the Comedy channel isn't owned by a big corporation

[Catherina]

62. Or the Administration doesn't have corporate sponsors with deep pockets n/t

[NJmaverick]

66. Obama's biggest "sponsors" were the American people with small donations

[Dr.Phool]

71. link?

[NJmaverick]

76. This should have been a given

Small Donations Create Big Obama Donors
By Sarah Cohen
This week, The Washington Post estimated that Barack Obama's campaign has raised about a quarter of its money, or $154 million, from people who gave less than $200. Yesterday, the Center for Public Integrity Responsive Politics pegged small donations at about half of Obama's total. The Campaign Finance Institute's figures are somewhere in between.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/10/small-donations-creating-big-d.html

[SunsetDreams]

78. try factcheck.org

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/what_is_the_average_size_of_obamas.html

[Catherina]

79. Okey dokey. n/t

[Lorien]

101. And the Daily Show's biggest sponsor is tthe America people who pay for cable

too bad Obama doesn't ACT like any of us matter as much as the banking, fossil fuel and insurance industries.

[axollot]

135. Yes and no. Did he have a lot of small donations from folk like me? Yes. Was it

the only type? Oh hell no.

Dems should never ever lock-step. It's ok to question and doubt the D's and have intelligent conversation about it. Please remember Jon was a corporate entertainer before Obama was our Prez - if you didnt notice his corporate connections till now then don't know what to say.

The root of the problem will never be fixed if we refuse to see it. Corporate dollars officially run this country now. Worse, we arent sure which, but CU was not used to it's fullest extent this election - give it the next 2 years to flex it's muscle.

Cheers
Sandy

[Lorien]

99. ....

:spray:

And you think that your heroes don't have corporate sponsors??? HELLLOOOOO???? Goldmann Sachs anyone?

[ShamelessHussy]

55. so now you are blaming a comedian?

:shakes-head:

[seabeyond]

57. shake your head, as we go to the ready comment about comedy pretending he is not influential

or followed, or believe.

for real?

[ShamelessHussy]

61. i think passing the buck is not a wining strategy

:shrug:

[seabeyond]

70. who is passing the buck? nt

[ShamelessHussy]

74. all the folks blaming everyone else but those actually in charge

i believe this election makes clear that now is the time to take a good look in the mirror, however i don't believe our leaders think they are doing anything wrong, and i am sure those they rub elbows with won't think so either.

:shakes-head:

[seabeyond]

106. ah... people are discussing stewart and his action. he gets to own it. nt

[Poboy]

65. Yeah, that his 'out'. Oh, just a comedian...what a disingenuous load. -nt

[arcane1]

56. Did we watch the same show?

He gave Wallace shit upon shit, even to the point of saying there is no truth being told on Fox.

I guess it's in the eye of the beholder.

[walldude]

136. LOL.. You and I watched the same show...

I loved the crack about Fox winning the election...

There is apparently no more room for the truth is if makes you look in the mirror and realize that you may be part of the problem.

[walldude]

137. LOL.. You and I watched the same show...

I loved the crack about Fox winning the election...

There is apparently no more room for the truth is if makes you look in the mirror and realize that you may be part of the problem.

[fishwax]

63. lol

:crazy:

[WilliamPitt]

64. (facepalm)

[Major Hogwash]

87. Did you go to the rally?

I didn't get to go.
My sanity hasn't been restored.

But, I did order some "Restore Sanity" stardust online.
I can sprinkle it on my pillow and go to sleep and wake up with my sanity restored overnight!*
I hope to use it as soon as it arrives in the mail.

STEWBEEF!!
Did you see that episode with Tracy Morgan?
OMG, he was killer.
I love Tracy Morgan.


*Not available in stores.

[Poboy]

162. btw, how's that "Obama has no honor" article coming?

[Vickers]

67. Unrec until you get a sense of humor. n/t

[Greybnk48]

73. Wow! This is so off the mark I don't know what to say.

John Stewart is clearly furious and is barely able to contain it. He is so far on our side that he can't even see the other side.

Trouble makers need to find another target. John Stewart is beyond reproach.

[ourbluenation]

75. you figured it out. he' s really a right winger under deep cover as a liberal political satirist.

good for you for outing him. good for you!

:sarcasm:

[madmax]

81. That's the ticket!!!

He's a reverse Stephen Colbert! What a sneaky bastige. :rofl:

[YOY]

77. All the entertainment I need is embodied by you Mav!

You are the sun and moon to me. Every word like ambrosia to my eyes.

Ave Mav! Ave!!!

You sir, are the best of the best!!!

[meow mix]

82. yup im done with him.. mr both sides are the same libertarian guy

maybe watch colbert once in awhile

[NJmaverick]

85. Colbert hasn't sold out like Stewart

[ehrnst]

84. The amount of material that he has to mock just got much bigger.

Remember how giddy he was in the segment the Monday after Cheney shot his friend in the face?

[NJmaverick]

86. It wouldn't surprise me if he has been thinking a GOP victory would

benefit him in a big way by providing his show with material.

[Goblinmonger]

89. So Rush really wanted the GOP to lose, then, right?

OR, Stewart wanted the Dems to win because he really hates them and wants to make fun of them some more.

Get's kind of hard to keep straight when you drink it up through a crazy straw, doesn't it.

[NJmaverick]

91. Rush's show works either way since he doesn't work in satire

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[NJmaverick]

92. Pointing a finger at those you perceive as "DLC types" and

accusing them of "point a lot of fingers" (which should have been "a lot of finger pointing") is pretty ironic.

[Goblinmonger]

98. It is the capitulation of the DLC to the needs of the Republicans that is the problem

They are the politicians that lost (I haven't forgot that you have NEVER addressed the fact that the progressive caucus lost very little in this election but the DLC lost a shitload). I point the fingers at the DLC because of one pretty clear reason: THEY LOST THE ELECTIONS. The DLC, on the other hand, rather than figure out why they lost the election point the finger at the progressives (who clearly came out to vote) and now Stewart. Never a reflection backwards.

That's like saying "My dog ate the steak I set on the ground on my way to grill when the phone rang; it must be his fault; or the fault of the person that called me; but it isn't my fault." And when someone says, "You're the dumb shit that put the steak on the ground with a dog nearby" you say "Stop pointing fingers."

[NJmaverick]

103. Grayson and Feingold didn't "capitulate to the DLC"

The DLC serves as a bogyman for those that have mistakenly helped the GOP by tearing down the Democrats.

[Goblinmonger]

107. Feingold was the baby with the bathwater.

It's my home state. Every newspaper in the state backed Feingold. Even Johnson's conservative hometown newspaper backed Feingold. His loss makes no sense other than it was just part of the wave.

[axollot]

133. Didnt Feingold not take corporate dollars too? That's what I think did it. n/t

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[blondeatlast]

93. FFS. (facepalm). Repeat of the cry "Where's the sadly shaking head icon?" nt

[Brickbat]

94. He's an entertainer whose paycheck depends on being able to make fun of things.

He's not a politician. He's not a journalist. He's not on anyone's "side." He's a TEE-VEE PERSONALITY. Yeesh.

[Mz Pip]

112. Good point.

Comedians are not required to be our water carriers. Jon Stewart has no obligation to tow some imaginary political line.

I remember seeing an interview with him several years ago where he said if anyone expected that of him they would be disappointed. He's a comedian. People can watch him or not. If he fails some political purity test from those on the authoritarian left they can turn off his show.

[Leopolds Ghost]

157. And if he doesn't he gets fired, like Olbermann. Why do people here even bother with cable?

[GrpCaptMandrake]

171. It's a pity

we can't rec individual responses, because I'd rec this one.

How hard is this to comprehend? Jon Stewart is a comedian: first, foremost and always. He wasn't kidding when he said TDS is "fake news."

He's paid by a major media corporation. Did anyone really expect him to call out the REAL problem? I didn't. The real problem is the concentration of media ownership in which the people cutting his paychecks eagerly participate. So instead, he creates an impression that everyone is crazy, which merely means he's broadened the total horizon of his available targets. Ha-ha! So funny!

On the other hand, we need a MUCH less fancy phrase to describe what Stewart did at his "rally." "False equivalence" is much to academic, much to "elite." How about "bullshit comparison?" Even a hillbilly like me can get THAT!

Let's do remember one thing: CNN revived Crossfire to give the so-called "Left" a chance to fire back at the right-wing. Stewart crushed that, too, with his no famous "Don't-be-a-dick" appearance on the show. Crossfire withered to husk shortly thereafter.

As such, Stewart's "both sides are equally to blame" trope is nothing new. He merely re-packaged it, as any good corporation does from time to time.

[Lorien]

95. Giddy? Seriously? By that standard, Obama seemed not the least displeased by the outcome

in fact, he sounded like he just couldn't WAIT to cave in to GOP demands!

[Leopolds Ghost]

158. Well, considering Obama is talking about privatizing SoSec and making Bush tax cuts permanent...

If HCR is the "progressive" model that Democrats support, why NOT apply it to Social Security? The answer is that HCR is a right-wing abomination but the Nazis on the right have painted Dems into the corner of saying it is too far to the left and the answer is to go even more right, and put in place mandatory private investment accounts for seniors.

[krabigirl]

100. well, he will have more material to draw from.

[neverforget]

104. Lame! We are not suffering because of Jon's efforts. We're suffering

because our message was muddled and watered down thus making it uninspiring. We let the Republicans take the initiative and once lost, we never regained it.

[NJmaverick]

105. The message wouldn't have been as muddled if Jon didn't help

muddle it

[neverforget]

110. Like it's his job to message for the Democrats. I thought that was Kaine, Obama

and the Democrats in Congress job? Finding a scapegoat is easy. Fixing the problem is obviously going to be more difficult when you can't even see who made the mistake.

[NJmaverick]

111. The right is constantly creating false propaganda. It's all of our responsibility

to fight that and set the record straight.

[neverforget]

141. His job is entertainment. Is there something about that you don't understand?

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[NJmaverick]

109. Jon's corporate sponsors are very pleased with his work

as is his corporate employer.

[Matariki]

115. Off topic - I *really* dislike that stupid 'circle D'.

Every time I see it, the first word that comes to mind is 'Dumb'. Or an almost failing grade.

I don't think they did any sort of 'usability' testing on that - just a little self congratulatory group telling each other how great an idea it was.

That really needs to go.

[Forkboy]

117. It's everyone's fault but yours.

[NJmaverick]

124. Are you implying that you are taking some of the blame

or are you just pointing fingers at others and accusing them of acting like you are?

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[NJmaverick]

126. Yes you could have done things differently

you can change though. You can start by stopping your attacks on loyal Democrats like myself.

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[NJmaverick]

143. When you practice what you preach come see me

otherwise you are simply guilty of the worst kind of do as I demand not as I do

[Forkboy]

144. Glad you're above that....

:rofl:

[NJmaverick]

145. You were making the demands, not me

a fact you would prefer wasn't noticed

[Forkboy]

166. Link to one of my demands.

I made so many that it should only take a moment for you to find one. I'll wait.

[Forkboy]

168. Kick

[Blue_In_AK]

118. The Republicans are comedy gold.

He IS a comedian, after all.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

119. I wish Jon would not try so hard to be "in the middle"...

He needled Wallace a little, but he praised him for asking McCain the tough questions. That was just bizarre.

I don't think "his efforts' had anything to do with the midterms though.

[CommonSensePLZ]

123. ...Just in case you're serious

1. The tea party is the least 'sane' people that could've possibly been elected!

2. They're full of the homophobes and bigots he mentioned in the rally that he dislikes

3. He was sarcastic against Chris Wallace when he said "Way to win the election, Fox News!" like we all didn't know that was literally their job.

4. He made fun of the people who have irrational opposition to Obama on their basis that he just doesn't get "it".

I think Jon's trying to be respectful of the outcome, the rally was about participating, but respectfully disagreeing, but I think it probably makes Jon sick that people would vote for people on the side of Joe Barton - Whom he flat out said he doesn't like.

I'm gonna keep watching. :)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

128. Lol.

[Forkboy]

129. Pragmatism run amok.

;)

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[walldude]

138. Ouch a shot and a Floyd reference...

It's no wonder I love you Swampy.... :toast:

**runs off to fund Ummagumma CD**

[Swamp Rat]

140. Play "Pigs" now.

It's more appropriate. :smoke:



Big man, pig man, ha ha, charade you are
You well heeled big wheel, ha ha, charade you are
And when your hand is on your heart
You're nearly a good laugh
Almost a joker
With your head down in the pig bin
Saying "keep on digging"
Pig stain on your fat chin
What do you hope to find?
When you're down in the pig mine
You're nearly a laugh
You're nearly a laugh
But you're really a cry.

Bus stop rat bag, ha ha, charade you are
You fucked up old hag, ha ha, charade you are
You radiate cold shafts of broken glass
You're nearly a good laugh
Almost worth a quick grin
You like the feel of steel
You're hot stuff with a hat pin
And good fun with a hand gun
You're nearly a laugh
You're nearly a laugh
But you're really a cry.

Hey you Whitehouse, ha ha, charade you are
You house proud town mouse, ha ha, charade you are
You're trying to keep our feelings off the street
You're nearly a real treat
All tight lips and cold feet
And do you feel abused?
You gotta stem the evil tide
And keep it all on the inside
Mary you're nearly a treat
Mary you're nearly a treat
But you're really a cry.

:toast:

[cynatnite]

131. This is a joke...right? n/t

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[Swamp Rat]

146. WAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!

I so mean! :cry:

[tigereye]

147. because they are more fun to make fun of!

seriously. How are we going to suffer? He was the only person on tv who was holding Fox to account for all their bs. :shrug:

[Quantess]

148. Yes, because now he knows his career in comedy is secure!

I'm sorry, how naive do you have to be, to not see that a comedian would not personally rejoice over good news for their comedic material?

[Leopolds Ghost]

160. Unlike Kieth Olbermann and anyone else who loses their job, who he'll feel free to make fun of.

There's such a thing as professional courtesy, e.g. in the Rick Sanchez case.

[Raster]

149. You do realize he's a comedian, right?

republicans generally provide the best comedy.

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[readmoreoften]

154. O my god. We agree on something.

[Warren Stupidity]

164. teh stupid: it burnz!

but I can't wait for the rest of the blame list.

[Johonny]

167. He has always done that

so if you enjoyed the show before, there is no reason to not like it now. It's the same Jon and the same show. He's always had these people on and always gave them space to talk. I don't have to like every thing said on his show (and I generally turn off his conservative guest because TV channels turn so easy). But he still has some of the funniest people in the business working for him. That show is still fing funny. Life is boring if everyone acts like you.

[Poboy]

170. Now he can laugh it up and make fun of Keith. Can't wait!

Big laughs Jon, big laughs!

[cleanhippie]

173. Your sense of humor meter must be broken.

He pretty much made fun of them the entire time.

Lighten up, man, Stewart is a comedian. Considering he does more good than any other pundit or "journalist" out there, he gets lots and lots of leeway.