*** Monica Goodling Thread #11 *** Conyers is hitting the reset button on the room.

[helderheid]

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http://www.cspan.org/watch/cs_cspan3_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3 back at 1 Eastern

[DS1]

1. Cspan has fuckface graduating someone

where the testimony link is

[Donnachaidh]

2. are there any protesters in the area?

And will they be shown?

[DS1]

5. heard "before you graduate today I want" and clicked it off

[Duer 157099]

6. Same here. Muted the minute I heard the "other" whiny annoying voice n/t

[Norquist Nemesis]

10. As soon as they said they'd be airing Bush for our enjoyment

I scrambled to stream our only progressive station in the area. It was a close call.

[L. Coyote]

3. They covered up Carol Lam prosecuting Medicare Fraud.

Republican questioners sure worked hard to make sure that the Carol Lam firing was blamed on "Coyote" issue. Hee hee

30 U.S. attorneys investigate BILKING BILLIONS, Medicare, Medicaid, Military’s Healthcare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x877011

US Attorney Firing: Voter Fraud, Medicare Fraud, WHICH IS IT ???
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x853813#873507

And on the Cunningham prosecution, with an emphasis on the timeline not matching. The Medicare Fraud prosecution does match the "Coyote" timeline of stone-throwing at Lam. They started throwing patently false immigration accusations at here when she went after the Republican big donors bilking billions.

[Blackhatjack]

13. IMHO this is the elephant in the room ... Carol Lam is just too hot to touch.

It would not be beyond question that there have been threats against both Repubs and Dems if questions are raised about Lam investigating billions of dollars in Medicare/Medicaid fraud.

How can there be a legitimate questioning of Lam's firing without asking these questions?
Answer: There cannot be.

L. Coyote has been all over this, and for good reason. The truth is out there ... who wants to know? And if they do not want to know, why not?

[Justitia]

16. Yeah, they keep throwing up Feinstein as a distraction. -eom

[L. Coyote]

24. They are using Feinstein to reinforce the view that this was about Cunningham

because her letter predates the understanding of the Tenet connection in the Lam firing.

The big cover-up, and we now see which R's in the Committee are complicitous, is still in place. Someone needs to bring up question: "Who all had and when all were there discussions of Carol Lam prosecuting cases herself, and to what extent was her firing related to the Medicare fraud prosecutions?" And not let her evade the question with clever parse-lies.

[L. Coyote]

22. More like threats against campaign contributions and no more bribes too!!

Tenet hired GOP chair Gillespie as their lobbyist for $360,000 in 2006. And, Carol Lam gets the ax. Check the Sampson timeline:

Day 1. HHS says they will cut off the Medicare faucet to Tenet. The company would have crashed! OHHH. Stock portfolio HELL for R-Pals.
Day 2. Sampson e-mail about Carol Lam "problem right now"



If people can't read this one, I'll make an audio and give it my best howl!!

It's all about the $$BILLIONS$$ and not about the Coyotes!

Details: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x853813#862205

[Eurobabe]

4. On recess, and they have to show Asshat in CT for 30 min.

:eyes:

So did I miss anything important? Sounds like no.

[Blackhatjack]

7. Reposting from #10- There were important differences she testified to today...

There were important differences she testified to today... especially AG and his testimony
She puts AG Gonzales 'in the room' and engaged fully in discussions about who to fire.

She contradicted Kyle Sampson's testimony and attempted to lessen the impact with self-serving statements like 'maybe he forgot'.

She definitely 'threw McNulty under the bus' to save her sorry behind.

She admitted she 'crossed the line' in using politics in making hiring decisions.

She admitted communication with Karl Rove's office, Scott Jennings and Harriett Miers.

There is quite a bit more, but now we have testimony under oath by various officials involved here, and somebody has lied under oath.

In the end, it is a battle for the documents which the White House is withholding.

Unless one of them comes back and changes their testimony, we have different stories regarding the facts of this situation.

[spooky3]

9. important--how about starting a separate thread of "highlights"

for cube rats and others working?

Thanks!

[Justitia]

12. I want McNulty in there & those e-mails REC'D from Harriet Miers. -eom

[yy4me]

8. Perhaps during this recess, someone will come up with

questions that are relevant to this hearing. This is too much of the same-old, same-old. Do the members on this board questioning this fluffy little thing really believe they are asking real, relevant questions? Is this the best they can do? It is a poor soap opera and little Monica will be the heroine.

[marlakay]

11. As soon as they asked her about her notes

I pictured people in her office running to the file cabinets and shredding that very moment...

[rodeodance]

15. prob. shreadded long time ago

[senseandsensibility]

14. I just watched a video clip at TPR Muckrakers

I assume it was from earlier this morning, several hours ago. It showed goodling being questioned by nadler and I was struck by something. Nadler was just making headway with goodling when conyers interupted him by saying his time was up. Nadler looked annoyed. Then conyers said said to goodling, "You may finish your answer, ma'am" in what sounded like a really ingratiating voice. Now, I'm talking appearances here. If I knew little about this case and was watching this exchange. I would assume that conyers was irritaed with nadler's "rough" questioning of little monica and cut him off. His super-polite tone to monica seemed to indicate that he liked/approved of/sympathized with her. I KNOW that this is not reality, but the Dems need to work on PR and get their act together IMHO.

[L. Coyote]

17. "Conyers is hitting the reset button on the room." to restore critical reasoning??

I cannot believe how they just let her slip out of questions by giving indirect answers with her own choice of qualifiers.

They need to hold her feet to the truth fire and say, "You did not answer the question. Please answer the question directly instead of evading the questions. Or your grant of immunity goes out the window."

[BuyingThyme]

18. Good afternoon. What SPAN are we on?

[helderheid]

20. in approx 40 minutes (1:00 Eastern) it will be on c-span 3

http://www.cspan.org/watch/cs_cspan3_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3

[BuyingThyme]

21. Thank you.

[Blackhatjack]

19. Battle is joined! Will McNulty now spill everything he knows since he's the WH designated scapegoat

I am thinking that McNulty has already filled Chuck Schumer in what really happened, and the White House knows or suspects this is the case.

Now that McNulty has been designated the scapegoat for this, we only have to wait and see what the second highest official in the DOJ knows and what he is willing to disclose.

This is following the same pattern that the 8 US Attorneys were sucked into. Once their competence and performance was listed as the reason for their termination, they came out with guns blazing.

McNulty should do the same thing.... with possible perjury charges to follow.

[marlakay]

23. Why do they put these on Cspan 3?

I have the most cable you can get with extra for my husband HD stuff so we have expanded cable and still only have 1 &2. Its almost like they want to make sure the country doesn't see it.

[Inuca]

27. CSPAN 1 & 2 are....

... contractually obliged to show the House and the Senate respectively.

[WillyT]

28. I Believe 1 And 2 Are Required To Show...

the House and the Senate when they are in session.

:shrug:

[grasswire]

25. Maxine Waters was on to something but failed to ask THE ??

Waters questioned Goodling about her former work at the RNC's opposition research office, working with Barbara Comstock who is the originator of most of the dirty tricks played on Dems in the last ten years. Goodling was brought over to DoJ by Barbara Comstock. Griffin also worked in that RNC office and was brought over to Comstock's staff at DoJ.

The question that wasn't asked:

"Ms. Goodling, did you ever communicate with Barbara Comstock about hiring or firing of anyone in the Department of Justice after she left DoJ? Did you discuss any DoJ matters with her in written or spoken communication?"

And then, if yes...

"Do you have copies of any communication with Ms. Comstock?"

And then,

"Would it be useful for this committee to interview Ms. Comstock?"


I can predict a seismic shift if Congress could get Comstock under oath.

[L. Coyote]

26. K&R. Recommend these threads for visibility.

[StrictlyRockers]

29. Thanks for the play by play Helderheid and DU!

Come on Dems, put this shill on the SEAT OF HEAT! Don't let her weasel and squirm her way out of this hearing without giving up some goodies.

[Straight Shooter]

30. From reading the Monica threads, I have the impression of a Potemkin hearing.

It seems as if everything is being done for the sake of appearances, to throw some crumbs to the angry masses, hoping that will be enough and we will go away so the politicans can return to "business as normal."

It's enough to make a person puke.

[BuyingThyme]

33. Me too.

This has the makings of a very bad week.

[NotGivingUp]

84. yep. seems that way to me, too.

:puke:

[helderheid]

31. WHILE WE'RE WAITING... check this out:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x949630

[LSK]

32. shit, I completely forgot about this, anyone can give me the cliff notes?

[GreenPartyVoter]

34. Goodling and the Pubs are winning :^(

[helderheid]

35. She's a good Christian who crossed the line but didn't think she intended to break the law, had

nothing to do with Rove (but yes with his office), she thinks she can't remember, can only answer yes and no questions to Republicans, answers maybe to the Democrats. Am I missing anything?

[helderheid]

36. Damn, I meant 2 Eastern, not 1 - should be coming up soon

[eleny]

37. Where did Monica's attorney go to law school?

I wish someone would ask that. We know he didn't go to her alma mater.
:rofl:

[helderheid]

38. WE'RE BACK!

[WinkyDink]

40. Doesn't sound thrilling.

[Norquist Nemesis]

43. First up! There's a War on Christians!!!

*sigh*

[senseandsensibility]

39. AOL welcome screen has a pic of Monica

with the teaser who's being called not fully candid? (paraphrase) Wanna guess?

[Blackhatjack]

41. OH MY --Forbes(R-VA) plays the "persecuted Christian charge..."

[ShortnFiery]

44. Why Regent is a goin' to compete internationally ... in what? Hog calling?

:rofl:

[Patsy Stone]

46. Soon he will wonder where the lions are.

:puke:

[WinkyDink]

52. Except he's too stupid to realize that it is, indeed, astounding that RELIGION, esp. Fundie

Christianity, is a factor in discussing GOVERNMENT employees.

[blogslut]

42. It's back on

Who is this goober worrying about the persecution of Christian Monica?

[LSK]

45. WTF, singing Regents praises????

[malaise]

54. I have not heard one Rethug not carry the party line

Not fugging one.

[underpants]

72. Regent is at the Beach (Va.Beach) which is near Forbe's district (VA-4th)

and Forbes is probably a Robertson tool

http://forbes.house.gov/fourthdistrict/interactivemap.htm

[flyarm]

47. regent u advertizing agent rep randy forbes...a ass kiss up candy from randy...eom

[Duer 157099]

48. Hahah, Regents is good at "winning" (wink wink nod nod) contests

but not passing the bar

Says it all eh?

[Gregorian]

49. Another fascist speaks.

Puke!

[Blackhatjack]

50. OK how many times will 'fishing expedition' be used by Repubs today?

[blogslut]

51. Look at Forbes attack his own committee

Way to run a government, Mr. Congressman

[ShortnFiery]

60. Gawd, as angry as I get at spineless Dems, these Republicans are Smarmy beyond belief.

I feel that I need a shower to wash off all the slime this horses a**, Forbes has spewed. :puke: :crazy: :puke:

[pberq]

53. Randy Forbes up - sickening!

talking about how great Regent U. is.

[dogday]

55. There goes lunch

:puke:

[Duer 157099]

58. he's wrong -- says there's no wrongdoing

but she has already admitted to breaking the law!!

[Manifestor_of_Light]

56. I went to a REAL Law School.

South Texas College of Law. It was damned hard and damned grim.

I can't imagine what kind of crapola they teach at Regent University.

I also got my bachelor's degree at a Christian university. It was Presbyterian, not a bunch of fundies indoctrinating people. The religion department was like an extension of the philosophy department. We had graduates of Harvard and Princeton teaching various religion classes, not indoctrinating us.

[WinkyDink]

63. Do you think they make students research in Aramaic?

[Manifestor_of_Light]

80. My religion prof could read many ancient languages.

He was a graduate of Princeton with a Doctor of Divinity. He could read Greek, Latin, Hebrew, English, Spanish, Amharic, Aramaic, Linear B, and who knows what else. He told us that in divinity school he had to read St. Thomas Aquinas -- in the original Medieval Latin. Wow!!!

I took Latin in high school. They teach us Roman Latin.

[ShortnFiery]

75. Thank you for demonstrating that we can attend Christian Schools without feeling

a need to constantly proselytize. Thank you especially for being a fellow Christan (I'm a liberal Catholic) who feels that "setting the example" of Christ NOT preaching is what makes a positive force in this world. :applause: :thumbsup:

[Manifestor_of_Light]

97. Well, I'm not a Christian.

I tried Christianity. I got baptised, and prayed and studied and after all that I was still depressed as hell, unemployed and none of these so-called Christians would help me find a job, so I decided it didn't work. Nobody would help me find a job.
I decided that if God works through his people on earth, God wanted me to be unemployed and starve to death, despite three college degrees and lots of experience. God didn't speak to me either. And I don't have time to go to every church around me and find out who is gonna help me. I would starve to death first.

I'm an atheist Unitarian. But I grew up around educated Presbyterians and Episcopalians. I have a lot of respect for them. I can't stand these fundies that get in your face, telling you that you are going to hell unless you believe like they do. And then they wonder why you refuse to speak to them at all. My aunt, who is a Methodist, gave me a commercial for Jesus, and I am never going to speak to her again. I thought Methodists had more sense than that, but apparently she doesn't, and maybe her congregation is fundie.

They never took a Dale Carnegie course in "How to Win Friends and Influence People".

[Hepburn]

57. Fucking Asshole Rep from VA....

...where the hell does he get off that it is NOT OK to question a Christian about his/her actions??? What an unmitigated load of total bullshit.

Gag......:puke:

[blogslut]

59. Blah blah blah

Is Forbe's time up yet?

[yy4me]

61. Good grief, I've got to leave the room, this guy is a boob.

Maybe its just me but I am sick of religion being thrown around as a crutch for this gang to lean on. It should not have anything to do with these hearings.

[Blackhatjack]

62. Forbes has no questions to ask, goes off on earmarks allegation...

these guys need to have to sit through replays of their performance in campaign ads next time they are up for reelection.

[Norquist Nemesis]

68. blah blah blah --- Just enter it into the record and move on!

[lpbk2713]

69. Reading entirely from a prepared statement ...

... right off Rover's desk.

[Gregorian]

70. The good news is we don't have to hear Monotone Goodling.

God, what total morons.

[Hubert Flottz]

64. Randy is getting randy with Monica...

His bowels are in an uproar.

[blogslut]

65. Wexler!

[Hepburn]

66. Wexler up. n/t

[IChing]

73. Thank you he is going back to the white house like I said

that is the direction the hearing should go.

[spanone]

67. Christians are being prosecuted???? GodAlmighty.

[underpants]

76. Culture of victimization

a long American history of that-pitting poor whites against poor blacks and making the middle class blame them for everything

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

100. Feeney! Bullshit! Bullshit!!! Bullshit!!! He doesn't even belong there! He stole his election!

Grrrrrrrr!!!!!!!

[Blackhatjack]

71. Wexler (D-FL) hones in on meeting w/Fred Fielding, Dana Perrino, etc at WH

[malaise]

79. Rove was there

Looks like she's ready to answer some questions.

[blogslut]

74. Wexler asks about meeting with Rove

Goodling confirms she was there. So, I thought she never discussed the USAs with Rove?

NOTE: Meeting came after the firings...I'm a goon

[spanone]

77. Randy Forbes is a major ASSHOLE.

[Blackhatjack]

78. She cannot remember what Rove said, or how long he was in the meeting...

[blogslut]

81. What occured at the meeting

Discussion of Moschella's testimony.

[ShortnFiery]

83. Major SHILL whitewash alert ... "I can't remember" "I hesitate to guess"

:puke:

[ShortnFiery]

96. Republican up again - Granting Ms. Goodling the characteristic of "POISE"

Oh these boys sure like to protect "Thar Women."

Holy Cow ... another "They're bashing us Christians at Regent" again! :eyes:

"Theys (Regents) got Cree-dent-tuals ... a suck-sessor to Yale founded on RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES (CHRISTIAN)...

Thank you sweet Jesus and Pass the Koolaid." :crazy:

[WinkyDink]

82. Wexler needs to cut her off at the Ramble Um Pass.

So, did Wexler accomplish anything? I couldn't tell.

[pberq]

85. Rep. King - trying to equate Harvard with Regent U.

[dogday]

86. Is this a hearing or a Christian Education Class? nt

[blogslut]

87. LOL

King slips! Commends Goodling and tells her that her testimony is definitely not "scripted". Uh huh.

[Norquist Nemesis]

93. And as "truthful as she can possibly be" with "chosen words".

[LSK]

88. now we have to attack Harvard University??????????

:wtf:

[LSK]

91. So Regent Univ = Yale of 1701?????

[helderheid]

89. 12 is up:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x950164

[Vadem]

90. Conyers needs to pound that gavel and bring this hearing back

on track and shut these bloviators up!

[Blackhatjack]

92. Now King(R-Iowa) is plowing the 'Christian persecution' row....

there is no serious attempt by Repubs to get to the truth in this matter regarding the US Attorneys.

He is now saying the will stand up with REpubs for their 'Christian principles'

[Botany]

94. So Rove was the meeting but she isn't sure why he was there?

Who is this useless fuck from Iowa .... and what is he trying to do?

[youthere]

98. She said she had never met with Rove.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

95. mis-direct and obfuscate -- fuck you!

[ShortnFiery]

99. My GAWD! How many words per minute does Ms. Goodling blathe?!?

Chatty! The world may never know. :shrug:

[LSK]

101. Shes lying about Carole Lam

"Lots of discussions about her immigration record"

What BS.