Pelosi says she won't vote for this funding bullshit.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

"I’m Not Likely To Vote For Something That Doesn’t Have A Timetable."

-Nancy Pelosi, as of yesterday afternoon.

Lot's of misinformation floating around out there by very concerned people. Make sure you check up on that kid of thing.

[geardaddy]

1. link?

If she actually said that, it's very heartening.

[NMDemDist2]

2. I saw a clip of in on MSNBC

I don't have a link, but I personally saw the clip

[EFerrari]

12. I saw the CSPAN replay of the presser. n/t

/oops

[IChing]

13. I put it up last night on GD found it on crooks and liars.

watch the body language of all participates even when they are not talking.

[Zenlitened]

15. It's also in the NYT write-up:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/23/washington/23cong.html

Beginning in paragraph 3.

[geardaddy]

40. Thanks.

I like this quote from the article:

“There has been a lot of tough talk from members of Congress about wanting to end this war, but it looks like the desire for political comfort won out over real action,” said Senator Russell D. Feingold, Democrat of Wisconsin, who was unsuccessful last week in his push for a withdrawal of combat troops by spring. “Congress should have stood strong, acknowledged the will of the American people, and insisted on a bill requiring a real change of course in Iraq.”

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. link's dead, but...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x944089

[geardaddy]

39. Thanks.

I didn't doubt it. I just wanted to see for myself. ;)

[babylonsister]

17. Here, though I'll believe it when I see it/her:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3277062&mesg_id=3277062

[Robbien]

3. Bull, if she doesn't want the bill to pass

all she has to do is table it. Set it aside. Don't call it up for a vote.

Our troops already have their basic funds. This bill just funds the additional Iraqi carnage.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

21. Can she?

I know the Majority Leader can, but Hoyer supports this shit.

I suppose she could remove Hoyer...

[Robbien]

34. She is the one who decides the schedule

That is the Speaker's job.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

42. Wait a minute...

scheduling legislation is the Majority Leader's position...

That's Hoyer.

[Bluzmann57]

4. Is she feeling the heat?

All the wrath of DUers and likely others is probably raining down on her now and maybe she is beginning to see the error of her ways. Maybe.

[Wiley50]

5. But she didn't say she wouldn't let it come to a vote

and she has the power to do that

She's talking BS

[EFerrari]

6. Timely reminder. n/t

[Norquist Nemesis]

7. Actually, it would be funny if the Congress voted down the bill

Might give them back a hint of a spine.

[BuyingThyme]

8. Yeah, but she will put it before Congress believing it will pass.

The blood is on her hands. She is a failure.

Let's not ease into this thing like we did with Lieberman. We need to find somebody else. Now.

[mmonk]

9. I know they'll go back and forth on this.

Anyway, my major beef is the rule of law. Another is compromising too much when you just gain the House of Representatives. I say make them feel some heat.

[Horse with no Name]

10. This was a power grab brokered by the DLC

to make the leadership look weak.
My bet is that Emmanuel was behind it.
If you could look closer, there was most likely a "Gang of 14" type behind-the-scene scheme worked out by the DLC'ers.
So either the DLC was going to stand up and vote with the Republicans or they passed this and refuse to vote on funding it. Either way the Democrats were going to be made to be weak. For every Republican they could get to cross the aisle--my guess is that Emmanuel had a DLC'er ready to cross to the other side.
That's what I think happened.

[Justitia]

18. Totally agree. Emmanuel was up there grinning like a f'ing idiot about this.

He's a sellout thug and it's not the first time I've observed and noted it.

[Horse with no Name]

22. I'm frankly getting tired of the big tent mentality

There is NOTHING about the DLC that represents me or my interests. They should be put out with the rotting garbage in the WH as far as I am concerned.

[depakid]

35. Big Tent has come to equal enabling and legitimizing the far right

And it's precisely this sort of mentality that cost the Dems control of Congress for 12 years.

[Horse with no Name]

37. I will never be convinced that this wasn't designed this way

They infiltrated our party and will end up either destroying it completely or taking it over.
My real guess is that the repub party has been so damaged by bushco that they are just going to take ours over and force us to another party. That's my guess.

[Critters2]

33. I saw that, too. Emmanuel is a traitor. Period. nt

[EFerrari]

23. You mean, these guys who reopened the NYSE 9/17/2001

while the effen' air was still toxic? (I found that still.)

[Nite Owl]

27. I totally agree

this was a deliberate attempt to weaken Pelosi's leadership, the DLC types just couldn't let this stand. They are bringing down the party, it was a bad move though they don't seem to realize it. If this bill passes with mostly R votes it's as if being in the majority doesn't really matter. All we heard from them for 6yrs was that they couldn't do anything because they were the minority now they still can't but a GOP minority and make things move. They are still in control thanks to the conservative/corporate dems.

[HereSince1628]

11. I'll actually believe her when she castes that vote.

I don't think it is possible to be too cynical at this point.

[raouldukelives]

14. Exactly nt

[Robbien]

19. If she doesn't bring the bill up for a vote, THEN I'll believe her

As long as she lets the bill sail through the House, she supports the bill.

She is trying to have this both ways by saying she doesn't favor the bill but then puts it up for a vote to be passed into law.

[BuyingThyme]

26. Exactly. This thread is pretty sad in that people don't have a clue

what she's already done to sell us out.

[HereSince1628]

28. Yes, that's a good point. We'll note how she cherry picks her record

as she campaigns. I hope to hell her district holds her accountable for her actions.

[AndyA]

20. I hope the bill does go to a vote, and fails to pass.

I hope the majority of Democrats vote against it. Then, they'd have to go back to the drawing board. Pelosi and Reid could tell Bush, that a bill without timetables will not pass, so he's going to have to give.

If not, just say no more bills, Mr. President, we have other important tasks to tend to. Better start making plans to bring the troops home, because there's no more money for Iraq.

War over. Bush ended it with his veto. Simple, really. :shrug:

[Rosemary2205]

25. I really hope you are right.

I don't think you are but it's nice to hope. :)

[kwyjibo]

29. agreed. n/t

[Rosemary2205]

24. Pelosi can stuff her "no" vote where the sun don't shine.

Like I said in another thread. She has the power and responsibility over what is or is not voted on. Bringing this bill for a vote and then voting against it is a total cop out. IMHO.

[hatrack]

30. When she votes against a bill w/o a timetable, then I will pay attention

Until then, she can take a long walk on a short pier as far as I'm concerned.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. Smoke and mirrors. She's voting against the funding she authorized.

It's a CYA for the Democratic "leadership" giving the Democrats a chance to say they're against the war by voting against the bill, while counting on the Republicans and outright DLC types to give it to Bush.

The P.T. Barnum theory of political maneuvering in action.

[Individualist]

32. She knows she doesn't have to vote for it

All she and the other complicit dems have to do is abstain, knowing their republican pals will pass the bill.

[leftchick]

36. "not likely" is not the same as "I will not vote for it"

They always want wiggle room. And watch the sheep effect once the votes start. :eyes:

[liberal N proud]

38. She won't vote for it or she simply won't vote?

The talking heads are spinning this as if the Democrats in the house simply will not vote on the measure allowing all the republicons to vote yes for it.
They think that not voting will implicate the republicons and not the Democrats.

[Squatch]

41. How about voting AGAINST it?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

43. Presumably, against.