Cowards. Nothing but fucking posturing, spineless cowards, the whole lot of them.

[Redstone]

We did NOT send them to Washington to fold up lke a cardboard suitcase the first time they got a little bit of pushback from Georgie.

Chicken feathers all without one gut, as Les McCann so eloquently stated it.

Fucking cowards.

Redstone

[Coexist]

1. thats been my feeling all day, redstone

[AuntPatsy]

2. Not all, I will wait for the names of those that vote on this bill.

[Loge23]

6. Definitely, let's take names

I'm with you on this. As outraged as I am (the OP sums that up quite well), I will be very interested in seeing the role call on this one.
Last night, one of the Mods took down a post/mock poll way calmer than this one.
Hopefully, an opinion tidal wave is building.

[Redstone]

37. We don't need calmness right now. We need incandescent anger. Americans and Iraqis are DYING

every day. For nothing.

Redstone

[orleans]

46. yeah, well, even skinner posted in on this at 9am today

i don't know what post you were referring to yesterday, but the skinner thread should send a message to any mod who don't want to see us being pissed off at this blank check dems are going to give bush

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x946731

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

7. I'm with you, Aunt Patsy

their vote on this bill will separate the men/women from the boys/girls, imho. I note that Chris Dodd has said he will vote no and has a video out about it.

[Canuckistanian]

33. Just a hunch, but...

If you compare this future list of Congressmen to the list of those who voted for cloture on the Alito nomination and for the MBNA Credit Card bill - it would be damn similar.

I may be wrong.

[Redstone]

36. I'll bet $100 that you're NOT wrong. Helluva good point you make there.

Redstone

[ReadTomPaine]

3. Amen.

K&R

[BlooInBloo]

4. Just saw Olbermann, eh?

[sellitman]

12. Keith ripped us a new one tonight....

And I wish it was heard "round the world"

Signed,

A Democrat in mourning

[Redstone]

16. No, this was actually before I saw that clip. Now I'm even angrier, if you can believe that.

Redstone

[BlooInBloo]

17. lol! I think I'll step over *there* then! :)

[Redstone]

35. No no no, my anger is not with you. It's with those chickenshits in Washington.

You don't gotta go anywhere.

Redstone

[BlooInBloo]

38. (peeks out from behind a wall)

[Redstone]

40. Come on out and have a drink with me, OK? We just won't discuss this specific subject,

and I won't break anything, I promise.

Redstone

[BlooInBloo]

41. Woohoo! Liquor! :)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

5. Many of the Democratic Leadership are inbedded with some of the same interests as the

Repukes, and they will do what they are told. The more time goes on, the more I am convinced that this is just a dance they do for us, appear different, but when push comes to shove, they walk in lockstep with the sociopath in chief.

[AuntPatsy]

8. Well we are fixing to find out just who is in lockstep with this administration

when the role call is ended. Ko said it so well tonight, nothing would have been taken from the troops if the dems went against this tryant in office, bottom line is as KO said, if anything was taken away from the troops it would have been by bush and company and no one else, there was no reason to back down, I cannot for the life of me understand why unless blackmail or threats are involved...

[PBass]

9. I don't understand the dissaray on the Dem side...

Why in hell did Carl Levin and Jim Webb vote against Feingold/Reid's bill, while Schumer and Clinton voted for it?

What the hell happened to Jim Webb? Wasn't it just a few months ago that he rebutted Bush's State of the Union speech by saying Congress would "show Bush the way" if necessary?

What is happening to the Democratic leadership? Anybody got a rational explanation?

[porphyrian]

10. What do we do about it?

I'm frustrated and tired with being frustrated and tired with them and the criminals in our White House. If voting, protesting, writing, calling and marching don't work, what now?

[spag68]

18. What to do

I did my e-mails last night{ Clinton and McCarthy} I'm about to send more. Everyone within listening distance should do the same. Then it's time to hit the streets. I'm 65, and I did it in the 60ts, I think I have energy for one more march. E-mails letters, phone calls, just do something, it will do you all good to vent, let them know.

[porphyrian]

30. I've been doing that, but it doesn't seem to make a difference.

I don't expect an instant fix, but I'd like something that actually seems to work, and I have no idea what that is.

[bdamomma]

21. ask any Eastern block country what they would do??

[porphyrian]

28. Escape to the West? Get shot or keep quiet? Or did you mean something else?

Are those really our options now? I really don't want to get shot, but I cannot allow this shit to continue and nothing safe seems to be working. I'm not ready to give up, but I'm out of ideas.

[IndyOp]

11. Disagree - you lure the bad ones into the light by remembering to pay

homage to the one's who have courage -- Kucinich, Feingold, Waters, and many, many more.

Painting with broad brush strokes is bad strategy. I know the emotion overwhelms and still it is bad strategy.

[Jamastiene]

13. They certainly are not helping my morale right now.

We need to clean house and get our own people in there in 2008. This bunch talks the talk but can't walk the walk. They are a bunch of losers.

[MonkeyFunk]

14. I disagree

they're dealing with the political realities. Believe it or not, there was no mandate to end the war today, or to impeach Bush.

We have very slim majorities in both houses - that's reality.

I'm disappointed, too, but I think calling leaders like Pelosi a coward is unwarranted.

[many a good man]

22. But could the political stategy have been more pathetic?

They had to know how this would turn out a long time ago: bush would veto and the votes wouldn't be there to override. Couldn't our leadership have figured out a better way to get their point across without looking like totally feckless losers?

What brilliant strategery! :sarcasm: Strengthen your rival and make yourselves look weak and spineless. They had to know every newspaper in the country would paint this as capitulation and a betrayal of the base. Are they following bush's lead and lowering our expectations???

[MonkeyFunk]

27. I think they made their point....

this is Bush's war. They didn't have the votes to end it, but they're clearly outlining who's at fault.

[Telly Savalas]

59. They haven't made the point that it's Bush's war.

Part of the reason they don't have the votes is because a segment of their caucus supports the war and wants it to continue.

[Redstone]

26. Fuck a bunch of "slim majority" and "political reality." Whatever happened to COURAGE?

And thanks, Senator Dodd. YOUR courage is well-appreciated.

Redstone

[MonkeyFunk]

42. Fortunately

we elect people who are above throwing temper tantrums.

[Redstone]

45. Courage is not a "temper tantrum." Thank you so much for your contribution.

Redstone

[MonkeyFunk]

52. Stomping your feet and demanding an

immediate end to this stupid war is childish. It's not gonna happen. The votes aren't there.

She's doing the best she can

Monkeyfunk

[Redstone]

53. I've been in a war. Have you? Have you seen the dead, and the maimed?

If you had, you'd understand the desire of some to stop it NOW. And fuck a whole bunch of "political considerations."

If YOUR son or daughter was to be the next one to die, or to spend the rest of his or her life as a cripple, "political considerations" might be much less important to you.

War is obviously abstract to you. It's REAL to a lot of other people.

Redstone

[MonkeyFunk]

55. Don't be so fucking condescending

I oppose this war as much as you do. I'm discussing the politics of ending it, not the morality.

[Redstone]

60. Hey, you want to say that political expediency is more important than human lives, be my guest.

I don't happen to agree with that. PEOPLE are more important to me than politics.

Sorry if that offends you.

Redstone

[Forkboy]

63. That's what it seems to come down to in this debate.

Those who think it's some nebulous political exercise and those who don't.

[treestar]

71. I think that's probably so

And if they did not vote for the bill, what would happen? Is it a given that the war would end? Since Chimpy would still be President, that's hard to see happening. Other posts today were saying that without the funding, he could still have money for the troops, so that cuts both ways.

[pat_k]

69. 58% "personally wants GWB's presidency over"

Sounds like a pretty good "mandate" to me. (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2752103&mesg_id=2753090">Newsweek, Jan 27, 2007)

There is only ONE way to give the public its wish. Impeach Bush and Cheney.

Since "impeachment" is a subject that is apparently taboo for the MSM polls, Newsweek's question is as close as we get on the subject.

Even if "the numbers" weren't there, leadership doesn't mean "find a parade and get in front of it." The "mandate" is their Congressional oath to "support and defend." Take the lead. Trust the electorate to do the right thing. That's what America is all about -- the Constitution and the People's Government.

[samdogmom]

15. Uhmmm--please reconsider. A different topic, but we had heroes today!

Artur Davis (Alabama), RULES! But Keith Ellsion from Minnesota also made progress! And, a few other Democrats didn't roll over--I liked my rep. Tammy Baldwin's questions of Goodling. We're not totally lost, I hope!

[ShortnFiery]

31. Davis (D-AL) may be intelligent but he talks out of his ass about Iraq and "funding the troops"

he's just as "out of touch" about this immoral and illegal occupation in the midst of a BLOODY civil war.

IMO, he's got a little of the "I love myself too much" JOE BIDEN syndrome. :shrug:

[bdamomma]

19. I have been thinking about this also, the Dems just sealed our fate

and thinking that by September the repigs will give these thugs their answer, do you really think these thugs care?? Cheney has already said they do not worry about the Republicans fate. So there you have it, we have madmen running our government. And our so-called democratic leaders well, we saw how that went yesterday, now is our time to hit back hard.

[ShortnFiery]

32. And DimSon will bomb Iran to cast us deeper and deeper in "perpetual war."

:grr:

[Wiley50]

20. Until we have publicly financed elections, they all belong to the corporations

Sad, but true

We need a second party

[nevergiveup]

23. When Larry King

asked Al Gore last night about whether the Democrats had caved on the new bill he totally skirted the question. He basically played it safe. I could not believe he would not take a position. We have a president with an approval rating hovering around 30% and the Democrats are terrorized of him. It is all beyond my comprehension.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

24. This time Dem leadership has infuriated loyal, hardworking, rank-and-file...

...stalwarts who rarely if ever voice public criticism of the party -- and this time they've gone too far -- As Fineman rightly stated on KO, they raised the pot grandly with the turn of each card and then when the final card was played, decided it's time to fold -- WTF, who does that? It's not just spineless it's retarded.

Well, they'd better brace for quite a shit storm, because this time they've really got it comin'.

[BrklynLiberal]

25. You have captured my anger and frustration perfectly.

:mad: :grr:

[ShortnFiery]

29. You got that right!

Gutless wonder, pink tutu wearing COWARDS!

I am disgusted with The Democratic Leadership in Congress.

They are out of touch with The American People.

THEY HAVE TAMPERED WITH THE PRIMAL FORCES OF NATURE AND THEY WILL ATONE, i.e., lose their next primary to their democratic opponent.

[Redstone]

39. Oh, yes, I've been a proud registered independent ever since I've been able to vote, but

that's going to change. I NEED to ba able to vote in the primaries from now on.

Redstone

[bbgrunt]

34. i need my malloy fix right now.

[DancingBear]

43. Welcome to the club

We've been waiting for you.

The next step is to figure out why they do what they do, and that one is easy.

Follow the money.

It's easy to pretend to be a knight in shining armor - it's a bitch when people call you on it.

[Redstone]

47. It's always the money, isn't it? Damn depressing, that truth is. We gave them our votes, we gave

them our trust, and what did they do with it? Turned it into politics as usual.

I despair for my country.

Redstone

[DancingBear]

68. As do I

I grant myself some solace in knowing that they would behave exactly as they did (and getting reamed 10 times from Sunday here for trying to tell folks), but the fact that so many put so much hope in them is what truly saddens me.

Even worse is the fact that they are willing to do it again come November.

The ugly truth is that there is money - lots of it -to be made from this war, and those that pay lip service to the dead are doing just fine, thank you.

Doing a little checking into Pelosi's net worth (and where it comes from) will not be pretty.

[opihimoimoi]

44. Them Pubs surely are Cowards as you say they are...I agree

[Redstone]

48. Meaning what, specifically?

Redstone

[opihimoimoi]

64. Them Pubs are Cowards to the TRUTH, REALITY, SANITY, LOGIC

The Pub Evidence is Nauseating

They delve into BS on a high level

They twist Reality into Fantasy

Counterproductive for the Long Term...They avoid the Realm of LONG TERM(HOMO SAPIENS....)

Logic tells us we should be looking for options/systems to take Mankind into the Far Far Future.

We are COWARDS to LOGIC/REASON/FUTURISM/COURAGE

We lack the COURAGE TO LISTEN....Hear it, smell it, feel it, see it, taste it.....Believe it

We lack the Courage to find ways to advance our way of living/life for the Nation.

We have Cowards in both Parties....but in Reality ... I give the edge to the Dems re COURAGE...

They have what it takes to vote what they think is right/best for the Peeps.

Not every time nor every Bill...but more than the RStamping Pubs

[Reterr]

49. I share your sentiments Redstone

:( I am disappointed.

[BeHereNow]

50. Not cowards, global corporatists. There is no two party system. Get it?

So, stop waiting for ANYONE to ride in and save us.
It aint gonna happen.
What DID happen today did not surprise me in the least, given the
fact that both sides of the aisle are OWNED by the global corporatists.
Think about it- if you were in their shoes, would you give
up your gazillion dollars in order to represent we, the new third world people?

Hmmm....let's weigh the options given what THEY KNOW about the future.

-Global warming
-Water shortages
-Energy shortages
etc...

Think they are not going to take care of their own?
All debate and grand standing on the part of the dems is theater
at this point, meant to placate and stave off the masses of
PISSED OFF citizens who are watching their dream of America
become a nightmare.

WE are on our OWN people.
Witness Katrina/NOLA and prepare.

BHN

[DancingBear]

72. Bingo

Dear BHN,

Perfectly said.

Entirely correct.


:yourock:

[BeHereNow]

73. I can't believe anyone still has hope.

It's as if everyone is in a state of mass delusion
about what IS.
BOTH sides of the aisle have completely signed off
on selling the rest of us down the river.
What part of that reality do people not understand?

BHN

[orleans]

51. k&r n/t

[Straight Shooter]

54. Those wiretaps have worked out GREAT for bush, haven't they?

D.C. Madam perhaps?

Seriously, :wtf:

[Jed Dilligan]

56. I hate to admit I'm not surprised

Does that mean I don't belong here?

I believe in the idea of Democracy, but I haven't believed in the Democrats for a long time.

I know that when I was a little kid Carter was president and the world was a much better place. Since then....

[rateyes]

57. I FUCKING DARE ANY DEMOCRATIC SENATOR

TO FILIBUSTER THIS DAMNED BILL, and then FUCKING DARE any Democratic Senator to vote for cloture!! We need to burn up the telephones, fax lines, and email accounts of ALL of them and let them know that they're political lives are on the line, AND THEN FUCKING BACK IT UP!!!!!!!

[BlackVelvet04]

58. They're politicians......

and politicians only care about politicians.

[Kablooie]

61. It's no wonder the Republicans ran away with everything in recent years.

With a bunch of cowering nobodys as their only opposition.

[deacon]

62. Condi ignored a subponea and NOTHING- Gonzo still AG

the dem congress has no guts.

[Drum]

65. I couldn't agree more.

And it saddens me. :(

[cyberpj]

66. Got Spine?

Oh.
Guess not.

[Redstone]

67. Harsh, but it sure seems true right now.

Redstone

[BeHereNow]

70. The truth is in what people DO, not what they SAY

So tell me, where is the mythical two party system?
While we have HEARD grandious proclamations, it
sure appears that is "bid-ness" as usual.
"Bid-ness" as in the multi national corporate interests,
certainly not in the interests or representing the voice of WE, the people.
BHN

[calteacherguy]

74. Just because you disagree with someone's vote does not make them a coward. nt

[BeHereNow]

75. No, it makes them corporatists.

They, all 535 of them, act in the interest of the Multi National Corporate Empire, not we, the people.
Anyone who believes otherwise is seriously deluded.

BHN

[calteacherguy]

76. Would you call Senator Webb a coward to his face? I'm not impressed with your OP.

Statement of Senator Webb on Passage of the Iraq Supplemental Bill
Washington, DC - The following is a statement from Senator Jim Webb regarding the Iraq War supplemental spending bill that has been passed by both houses of Congress:

"I worked very hard to try to persuade the Democratic leadership to include clear, restrictive language in this Supplemental. I did not succeed, and was disappointed in many of the provisions that remained. However, we are working under the reality that, on the issue of Iraq, this Senate does not have a Democratic majority. From the outset, we are a minority of 49, given Senator Lieberman's position on the war. This reality dictates our conduct. On the one hand, I find myself unable to vote against a measure that is necessary to fund our troops who are now in harm's way. On the other, I will not relent from my continuing efforts to bring this occupation to an end.

"I will continue to press for a strategy of strong diplomatic engagement, which will enable us to end the occupation of Iraq, to increase regional stability, to fight international terrorism more effectively, and to address our broad strategic interests around the world.

"My efforts will continue with the Defense Authorization Bill, which will soon be debated on the Senate floor. This week, I introduced a restrictive amendment during the Armed Services Committee's mark-up of that bill. I withdrew the amendment during the mark-up process due to a technical objection, but I intend to offer this amendment on the floor of the Senate when the Defense Authorization bill comes up for debate in the coming weeks."

http://webb.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=275136&

[HCE SuiGeneris]

77. I have been cussing up a storm for the last two days,

hating myself, my party, and my country, for allowing this sham to continue under the guise of Democracy. I am exhausted...