ABC and PBS--displaying soldiers in the field w/wounds. If you're over 45 or 50...

[MichiganVote]

you know what this means.....

For those youngsters out there, the media is now turning their backs on the republicans and this war. The money men have found a way to appeal to the anti-war folks and during VietNam the pic's of the soldiers changed the way Americans viewed the war. Coffins and body bags coming right up.

Times a changin'.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. Bring The War Home.

Sit it in the lap of the public, at dinner time. Let them lose their appetites from the truth unvarnished.

[EFerrari]

2. Good. A little reality with dinner. n/t

[Solly Mack]

3. long past due

let'em choke on it

I do

[Blackhatjack]

4. I think you are right.... and I remember the change in coverage of Vietnam

When the media starts showing the actual brutality and death of war it always has a sobering affect on the folks back home.

The problem here is that when people start to turn against the MSM manipulation of the war, the only tool left to control the people and their support is to respond to an attack on the homeland.

These are scary times we are living in....

[southerncrone]

28. Don't you know it!

Difference this time around is we now have cable TV, easy to switch over to alternative entertainment(& lots of it) to avoid looking at the unpleasant news. Americans today are upset about the war, but most are still cowards when it comes to "facing it". Reality TV shows may be all the rage, but REALITY itself is not very popular.

[Atman]

5. Remember the "scoreboard" over Walt Cronkite's shoulder?

Every night, how many of "US" killed vs. how many of the VC. Every night a body count just like a football score. CNN and MSNBC mention it in passing, in an "oh by the way, a couple dudes didn't make it home today" kind of way. But nothing was as powerful as Cronkite and the running tally displayed over his shoulder every single fucking night.

Which is, of course, why the Pentagon refuses to allow pictures of coffins or body bags returning from Iraq, and the why the pseudo-independent media blithely obliges them.

.

[MichiganVote]

6. You'll see. The counts and the coffins will come.

[juno jones]

8. One of my earliest memories, Thanks

Even at three or four, I knew it was some bad shit. That's why I was against this one even when it was still a just a gleam in big daddy Cheney's eye.

A roaring chorus of Firesign Theater, please..."We're bringing the war back home!..."

[RamboLiberal]

17. I know a lot of DU'ers hate Lou Dobbs but at least he does

put up the number of dead U.S. soldiers every night, usually for the day, month, and total plus the number of wounded including those so severely wounded they could not return to duty. I give him credit for that.

[ChiciB1]

7. Golly Gee Whiz... I THOUGHT The Very Same Thing! Up Close & Personal....

it will leave a few foot prints! I was SHOCKED though, didn't think it would EVER happen! But, it's stuff that can't be denied!

Oh, how I remember EVERY SINGLE DAY the stuff we saw, and then LIFE Magazine always had something on it's cover! It was horrible. I remember one extremely horrid picture to this day from that magazine. I won't describe it, but it has stuck with me all these years!

WAR IS HELL!!!

[MichiganVote]

9. Actually I think we should all be posting ANY pic's we take of the real war

Anywhere and everywhere. Let's drive the media instead of the other way round.

[ChiciB1]

10. There Are Some GOOD CD's Coming Out Too... Go To The

SirNoSir web site and check it out.

[ChiciB1]

12. Perhaps A Better Selection Can Be Found At

www.docurama.com but www.sirnosir.com is good too!

[MichiganVote]

13. Great! Thanks!

[treefrogjohn]

15. good links

thanks

[ChiciB1]

37. You're Welcome... Had To Leave Last Night... n/t

[fed-up]

11. I remember the scoreboard-(almost 49YO)-local paper had coffin on cover 4 local boy last month nt

[MichiganVote]

14. Another sign the Bush cartel is losing its grip

[G_Leo_Criley]

30. I remember the scorecard too...

And the film that would come from the jungles -- especially from Dan Rather and another whose name escapes me. So different than the sanitized version(s) of this war.

The more that the public can see, the better.

Also, when people realize that the people protesting back here in this country are just like them - Not freaks but just like them - It will give them the guts to get out there and make a statement too.

glc

[MichiganVote]

40. Agree.

[jwirr]

16. About time. It is sad that they have only now begun to show the

truth. From the beginning much of the media soft pedaled this war as if it were a walk in the park. Had they been real reporters they would have shown us what we saw on TV while Vietnam was going on. What the MSM does not understand is that we the people deserve to know the truth - not just the differing angles on it from some politician. When there is a death in Iraq we have the right to know the full horror of the situation. Only when we know the truth can we make educated decisions.

Up until now they were telling us there was a car accident but refusing to give us any details. Show us the coffins, the wounded, the funerals, the grieving families and show us what we have done to Iraq.

[sutz12]

18. And a tax increase to pay for it.... nt

[VoltaireAmericain]

19. Truth

Please excuse my for being cynical here, but isn't the public at large already against the war. Unless, the congress can override a George Bush veto, it looks like were going to be in it until 2009. George Bush is a poker player right now, he isn't going home until he can't play any longer.

[senseandsensibility]

20. Thanks so much for the insight

We'll just let it slide, then.

[VoltaireAmericain]

23. tell me

Well what is going to happen if we don't let it slide? I am not objecting to the use -- I actually support the use of the images and videos as freedom of speech and functioning democracy.

[MichiganVote]

39. Excuse me for being cynical about the assertion that George Bush is a poker player

Without all his buddies and his father to hide his misdeeds, George Bush would have been a jailbird a long time ago.

The 'public' is always against war. The dead bodies of fathers, mothers, sons and daughters is another matter. Bush will maintain the Iraq fiasco that's true. But a government doesn't begin or end with him. I think we can all point to evidence that Americans do not forget their dead or the people who made them that way.

Going to be a very cold shower for a great many politicians come 2008.

[Breeze54]

21. PBS Newshour has been doing this for awhile and also The BBC!

We need it on MSM! :grr:

[BurtWorm]

22. The front page of the NY Times today, too.

I hadn't thought about that. :think:

[Bozita]

24. Yup, huge image above the fold -- In war, blood flows. NYT shows it in living color --Take a look!

Smaller image below the fold.

http://www.nytimes.com/pages/todayspaper/index.html

[Marrah_G]

34. I should be more careful what I click on at work

Now i'm crying :(

[Horse with no Name]

25. I wonder if this is retaliation for kicking the photogs out of Iraq?

At this juncture, I refuse to believe ABC would do something that would benefit some greater good other than themselves.
But if it hits home with their reporters and photogs...then perhaps...

[Bozita]

26. Bullseye, Horse! Here's an almost readable image of the NYT from the Newseum...

[MichiganVote]

41. To be sure. Lot of money in those photos.

[kwyjibo]

27. Good. So many people out there refuse to think about it...

let's see how well they do when it's on the front page and the five o'clock news.

[G_Leo_Criley]

29. times are ...

definitely changin.'

The media is late, but (some of) the media is finally here.

Local news tonight had coverage of *'s commencement speech today along with counter-demonstration in New London. Respectful coverage - though short - of the demonstration which included a "coffin." I stared at it realizing that the tone was far different from the way they've approached people marching in the past few years.

Change is in the air.


glc

[Bozita]

31. Gettin' kinda hard to ignore that 70% number, ain't it?

The masses want OUT!

[uppityperson]

32. Good, about time.

This helped end Viet Nam occupation I truly believe. People seeing images during dinner. Good good good. shit shit shit.

[The Backlash Cometh]

33. They are a'changing, but I think you're missing the message.

The news channels are finally bringing the info home because the Democrats have bought this war with their latest vote. They now own the war, so by the time we get to 2008, the playing field will be even.

I started a thread on this, because I too noticed the difference.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=957052&mesg_id=957052

[MichiganVote]

42. Friend, we ALL own this war....and so will our children and grandchildren.

[Toots]

35. I don't think that is true

There were even more pictures and news from the front in WW II and no one raised a big ruckus at how illegal and horrific it was. America understood it was necessary and the whole country pitched in to end the war as quickly as possible out of necessity. Vietnam was also a war of desire and not of need. It was solely for profit just as the current debacle is. Americans would be against it no matter if no pictures were ever shown. It is a right wing lie that the only reason Vietnam was lost was because of the press. It was lost the day it began because it was not a war of need but of greed just like today..

[huskerlaw]

36. 70% of Americans weren't against WWII

The rest of the world wasn't either.

It's not the same kind of war. It is, however, very much like Vietnam.

[MichiganVote]

43. WWII was a war of need. To say otherwise is to deny fact with evidence.

The media coverage during WWII often came in the form of b/w newsreels, not color photos or film presented on news channels. Today we have the possibility of much more extensive coverage of just about anything you could name. Yet, images of Bush's war in Iraq have been noticeably absent.

I don't believe my post asserted that VietNam was lost because of the press. My post asserted that the bloody press coverage during VietNam made a decided difference in how Americans at home experienced the war.

[Bluerthanblue]

38. except there was no cable back then- no i-pod, no dvd's no

internet to suck the attention of the masses away from the "evening news"-

And the newspapers weren't going under for lack of subscribers.

But i agree with you, at least it is a change that might wake up some of the naieve.

peace,
blu

[MichiganVote]

44. The more pic's that are posted via blogs, emails etc., the more people will see.

People spend much more time online than they do watching the nightly news. The changes I note in my original post appear to signify a shift in opinion or the attempt to shift opinion. Naturally the media is always out for their almighty buck.