Do You Actually Believe Nancy Pelosi Wants More Troops to Die?

[David Zephyr]

I mean how f@*#ing insane and self-righteous is that?

I am truly upset at the smug attacks on Nancy Pelosi and the suggestions that she doesn't care that our women and men are dying and being wounded! God, what is the matter with some of you?

Congresswoman Pelosi voted against this goddamned war when many of the candidates some here are supporting went with the then popular thing, the risk-free choice and voted for the war. She has a lot of shit to deal with and I know in my heart and mind that she is doing everything she can do with this stubborn, willful and dangerous man in the White House to bring our troops home. Apparently many here don't agree with me. I am truly sorry to know this.

So, answer simply. Yes or No.

Does Nancy Pelosi care about our troops in Iraq and does she truly want them to come home?

And please show your face with your comments.

[Bobbieo]

1. No, but I think her major worry is getting re-elected in 2008 and it should be!!!

[David Zephyr]

4. She's from Marin County, for Christ's sake. She doesn't have to worry about anything.

She has one of the safest seats in the country.

[MonkeyFunk]

6. bullshit

she's the Speaker and she's from San Francisco. She has no election worries whatsoever.

[Bobbieo]

16. bullshit - The maybe that is what is wrong with our system

She really should worry. I believe she went against the will of the people - even in Marin County.

[MonkeyFunk]

30. She doesn't represent Marin

she represents San Francisco.

And your so-called "will of the people" doesn't want to defund the troops today. They want an orderly end to this stupid war.

[tblue]

2. Oh hell no! But why she compromises with the Monkey King is beyond me.

[ChiciB1]

3. I Seriously Doubt She Want Anyone To Die... However, I'm Afraid

it's going to take me some time to deal with this! Call it what you want, define it however... Democrats let me down!

[blonndee]

5. Are we meant to answer the question in the subject line or in the message? nt

[jgraz]

10. Really, you're just supposed to quail in the face of loaded and over-the-top language

Kind of like the Congressional Dems have done.

[David Zephyr]

20. Read the posts here the last 24 hours that claim Pelosi is a murderer.

My poll is here to put the mirror to that very "over the top language" that you are uncomfortable with.

[jgraz]

26. If she support this bill, she's got blood on her hands. Plain and simple

But thanks for helping her wipe it off on the Republicans. The Dems are gonna need folks like you over the next couple years.

[kenny blankenship]

31. I also suggest you make your subject line question and the question buried in your body "agree"

Your poll results will be completely meaningless otherwise.

Someone who answers NO to the subject line question will probably answer YES to the question that is buried in your paragraphs--it's the same basic (loaded) question as before but restated in a way that presumably evokes an opposite response. Some people will answer the first question, some will be answering the second question and the result will be useless.

[jgraz]

7. Here's a better question

Do you honestly believe that Nancy Pelosi would put her job at risk to keep more troops from dying?

My Vote: NO.

[NightWatcher]

9. Nope, she likes the power chair and doesnt want to rock the boat

[David Zephyr]

11. You are wrong. She voted against the war when it was very, very popular.

She took the risk already back when John Edwards, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd all would not.

[jgraz]

15. Then please explain what the hell is going on right now, if not a complete betrayal of trust

[jwirr]

32. I watched her face when she is setting beside *ss during the press

conference. She did not look happy. I think we need to consider that she and Harry Reid really did not have the votes. Now that still means there were some Democrats who were refusing to stand beside them and I want to know who they were. Tomorrow when they vote I want it to be a roll call vote so I know which Democrats are deserting us. I think we may find out that it is not necessarily the leaders.

*ss is so stubborn that no one can get anywhere with him so the compromise that they came up with was never going to be good. I am hoping that this compromise is voted down tomorrow. If that happens then the Democratic leadership should realize that we do not want to compromise - I agree with Skinner - we should go down fighting.

[jgraz]

36. Please stop using the DLC framing

If Pelosi doesn't want to fund the war, there NEVER HAS TO BE A VOTE. The Rethugs did this over and over again when they were in the majority. She can keep this bill from ever coming to the floor.

[jwirr]

38. You mean stop saying that there might not have been enough votes?

I am old enough to have lived through quite a few administrations where the Democrats held the house/senate and pugs held the WH or vise versa (Eisenhower 2nd term was the first) and so realize that not have the votes to override can be a reality. Not letting the funding out of committee? I do not know. I don't remember that ever being done with a funding bill. I hope they vote it down and I think they will.

[jgraz]

41. Yes. At this point, the "not enough votes" canard borders on a lie

They don't have to send that POS anything. Let him ask Poppy for money to fund the war.

[jwirr]

45. He doesn't care enough about the troops to share his Poppy's

ill gotten gain with them.

[Bluerthanblue]

49. it doesn't matter NOW what she did then- it matters what she chooses

to do NOW-

She can't point to her vote against the war then, while making the decision to give * the same blank check to continue his maniacal 'war on terra' now, and expect anyone to see it as something other than cowardice and capitulation.

That doesn't make her a worthless person- or a gleeful murderer. It makes her human- The black/white all or nothing mentality of this society is ridiculous. "Yer either with us, or with the enemy"- that is bushshit. Why perpetuate it?

[Solly Mack]

21. I'd have to go with No

She can not want the troops to die and still not act in a manner that could prevent more deaths.

It isn't a case of "she wants them to die!"

That's just being disingenuous to frame in that way...and it's also fallacious.

Just because people disagree with what took place in no way means they think Pelosi wants the troops to die.

[MonkeyFunk]

43. There's no risk to her job whatsoever

Don't be silly.

[jgraz]

44. Her job as Speaker? Are you kidding?

She may have a safe seat, but she's got to be worried about going back to minority leader.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

8. Nancy and Harry have failed the test of backbone.

If you cannot stand up to our head jerkoff, just who CAN you stand up to?

[porphyrian]

12. I don't know what she wants, but it apparently isn't the same thing I want.

Her career doesn't mean shit to me, but peoples' lives do. She's in a position to save thousands of lives, I'm not. She just helped a madman kill thousands more. I guess that's OK in Congress. If it were a civilian decision, it would be aiding and abetting, I believe.

[orleans]

13. i have an absolutely horrible opinion of her the last couple days

you don't want to know what i'm thinking.

[DancingBear]

14. This poll question puts even push-pollsters to shame

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

Good grief.

[David Zephyr]

17. Apparently you are not reading the posts all over the DU that suggest exactly choice #2.

Further, look at the votes here in this poll that show this sentiment. How sad.

[mmonk]

18. No, that's not it.

They can't come together and defeat this darkness is what it comes down to. Too many dems are not aligned with the right position and the handlers definitely not thus producing ineffective or inadequate opposition to the great challenge we face.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

19. I don't believe she gives a flying fuck.

She hasn't done ONE SINGLE THING since her hundred-hour glory days to convince me she works for her constituents.

Not ONE.

[David Zephyr]

22. Wow. Well, I guess I must not know the same Nancy Pelosi you do.

Not "one single thing". You should be ashamed.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

27. Nope. Not the slightest bit.

:shrug:

[GreenArrow]

23. pawns are meant to be sacrificed.

Post 7 his the nail on the head.

[rucky]

24. What do *feelings* have to do with it, anyway?

Her job is to have a plan and act.

[jgraz]

29. Post of the thread

Enough with the fucking feelings. All that counts right now is action, and Pelosi -- along with the rest of the Dem leadership -- has failed.

[ecstatic]

25. Do drunk drivers go out with the intention of killing and maiming themselves and others?

Usually no, but somewhere deep inside they understand very well what their careless /reckless behavior might result in.

[partylessinOhio]

28. Madame Squeaker got her week-long coronation, she got her endless

photo ops with the gavel, she got her jumbo jet plane, she got her seat at the elbow of the Chimp, she got her tour of the Middle East to meet with their leaders. Get real! MS is rich, doesn't need to work for food, send her back to lord over her vineyards.

Troops are expendable, then so is she. Replace her with a peacemaker.

[mmonk]

33. I will say that for some of them, their positions of power

are their number one priority. We need to weed those out in the primaries and replace them with other dems. We need those who serve the public and the welfare of their constituents.

[Pale Blue Dot]

34. Straw man.

She's a coward.

[nini]

35. What question am I answering? the one in the subject line

or

Does Nancy Pelosi care about our troops in Iraq and does she truly want them to come home?

[terisan]

42. I found the 2 opposing statements confusing also nt

[IndianaGreen]

37. Olbermann: The Democratic nomination is likely to be decided... tomorrow.

The Democratic nomination is likely to be decided... tomorrow.

The talk of practical politics, the buying into of the President’s dishonest construction “fund-the-troops-or-they-will-be-in-jeopardy,” the promise of tougher action in September, is falling not on deaf ears, but rather falling on Americans who already told you what to do, and now perceive your ears as closed to practical politics.

Those who seek the Democratic nomination need to—for their own political futures and, with a thousand times more solemnity and importance, for the individual futures of our troops—denounce this betrayal, vote against it, and, if need be, unseat Majority Leader Reid and Speaker Pelosi if they continue down this path of guilty, fatal acquiescence to the tragically misguided will of a monomaniacal president.

For, ultimately, at this hour, the entire government has failed us.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18831132/

Keith's special commentary expresses my feelings about this repeat of Munich 1938, and the Democrats' Neville Chamberlain moment.

I don't care what Pelosi's and Reid's intentions are. Hell is full of people that had good intentions. The point is that by not defunding the war, more people will die... for nothing.

[alcibiades_mystery]

39. Who gives a fuck what she "truly wants" -- By their fucking DEEDS

you shall know them.

This is celebrity culture bullshit, like I should give a fuck what Nancy Pelosi - as a PERSON - wants or does not want. Fuck that. That's small-minded nonsense for imbeciles.

Nancy Pelosi, as far as any one with any sense SHOULD BE concerned, is an OFFICE, not a person. What she wants is irrelevant. What she DOES is important.

[DUyellow]

40. that's a fox news question

better question. Is Nancy Pelosi a sell out?

[Bluerthanblue]

46. yes- if only as the lesser of her own percieved two evils- defund, and face

the spin- or cave in, and KNOW that not only will more soldiers die, but * will feel empowered, and his base will claim (rightfully) victory over the 'Dem's'.

Does she care about our soldiers? I am sure she does, but not more than she cares about 'appearances' and not enough to do what she knows in her gut to be right.

That doesn't make her 'satan'- it only displays the fact that she is human- and makes bad choices- as we all do.

[Skinner]

47. ***YOUR POLL IS CONFUSING***

Which question are we answering:

Do You Actually Believe Nancy Pelosi Wants More Troops to Die? (My answer is no)

Does Nancy Pelosi care about our troops in Iraq and does she truly want them to come home? (my answer is yes)

How do I vote?

In fact, I think I should delete this entire thread, because I think most people are answering the wrong question.

[donco6]

48. I had to vote yes, given the choices.

I don't think it's that simple, of course. But I do believe that she ultimately doesn't really care. What other conclusion is there? If that's what she calls a "fight", and if she's going to claim they "did everything they could" to end the war - she's deluded.

[bunkerbuster1]

50. Well hell's bells, I don't even think Chimpy wants our troops to die...

Seriously, I don't. Little or nothing to do with what I feel about his policies, tactics and strate(ger)ies; ditto for Pelosi/Reid's.