Attention! I propose we change the name of this site to the ANTI-WAR UNDERGROUND.

[El Supremo]

Yeah, it might have something to do with my neighbor's kid getting killed in Iraq on Friday. Yeah, it might have something to do with the Democratic Congress' capitulation this week.

I've been a lifelong Yellow-Dog Democrat. But we need to send a message to Reid, Pelosi and the other cowards. Just maybe they would take notice if our little bit of superfluous band-with rejected them.

And maybe John Edwards will form an Anti-War party and win the election.

[Critters2]

1. John Edwards sponsored the resolution that got us into this war.

Anti-war he isn't.

[Clark2008]

4. Oh thank you! Reason!!!

I was beginning to think this place had lost it!

[Lex]

25. you might want to read a recent paper and update yourself

nt

[Critters2]

26. I read newspapers. They've got a lot of stories about

people being killed in Iraq, in a war Edwards supported with not only his vote, but his sponsorship.

[Lex]

28. Edwards is clearly against this war and for the troops coming home.

check your paper's date

[Critters2]

29. He damned well ought to be

He did plenty to get 'em there in the first place.

I WILL NOT vote for someone who SPONSORED the IWR--when that was politically expedient--and now opposes the war--which is the current expedient position. I'll bet he's in favor of moms and apple pie, too.

[Lex]

30. Kerry voted for the IWR so I guess you didn't vote for him either, eh?

nt

[Critters2]

40. Not in the primaries I didn't. I compromised in the general,

but I probably won't do that this time. Someone needs to show some backbone.

[proud2BlibKansan]

32. Haven't been paying attention to him lately have you?

[Critters2]

42. Yeah, I get it.

He spoke out against the war, after he voted for it. Right. That'll win an election.

[Atman]

2. Maybe it's time we dropped the UNDERGROUND

After all, we represent the views of the MAJORITY of Americans. What is underground about that?

.

[GreenPartyVoter]

7. True enough

[file83]

8. Maybe it should be renamed "TopsideCapitulation"

The "DemocraticUnderground" should be left for the Kucinich supporters, and such.

[Critters2]

27. Thank you!

:thumbsup:

[Clark2008]

3. Aaaakkk!!!

I was going to add that John Edwards wouldn't be allowed and that would be fine by me!! Neither would HRC or Biden.

It was a good thread until you bought into political expedience.

[El Supremo]

6. My opinion of Edwards shot up after what I heard him say today.

He totally rejects anything but submitting the same bill with the withdrawal dates.

[frogcycle]

9. he also is raising funds to run the General's ads

i contributed and thus got on his mailing list. He is certainly growing on me.

[whistle]

5. It no longer has much to do about the democratic party which

...has become the New Republic Party

[mmonk]

10. If they haven't gotten the message, they never will.

No need to change our name.

[CTD]

11. Too narrow. But " Democratic" has to go. I vote "ProgressiveUnderground".

I've always like the term "progressive". It says "liberal" without the silly right-wing stigma.

[dave_p]

14. I like progressive too

It sums up the kind of politics America needs.

[Richard Steele]

31. That site already exists.

And it's a fine site, to be sure.

[CTD]

39. In my Ed McMahon voice, "I did not know that."

I should check it out.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

12. I've marched and worked to stop the war

before it began, sadly, to no avail. It is sad to see all I predicted would happen has come true--and worse.

[BlooInBloo]

13. I propose Skinner name his site whatever he damn well pleases...

... And any fucking whiners who don't like it can go start up their own fucking whiner sites.

[juajen]

15. Well said, Bloo

I concur.

[unkachuck]

16. 'fucking whiner site'....

....I like that....

[BlooInBloo]

17. For being uncreative, it turned out not as bad as I might have predicted. :)

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

18. If there's a poll...

...that option gets my vote. :thumbsup:

[BlooInBloo]

20. Enjoy it while you can. Chances are some fucking whiner'll whine & get it yanked.

EDIT: Referring to my post, not your hypothetical poll.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

23. No worries, I followed

Good news: fuckingwhiner.com - available!

[BlooInBloo]

24. Genius! lol!

[blondeatlast]

41. Amen! nt

[Dinger]

19. I Am So Sorry For The Family Of That Kid

I just found out my cousin is going to Iraq in a week and a half. By the way, his dad died six days ago in a tragic farm accident. He was going to try and get a delay, but the last I heard, that wasn't looking too good.
I learned at this young man's funeral, from an aunt that her grandchild hadspent 3 years in Iraq (2 tours), and she was so worried about "Jeremy" going. I said, "Yeah, maybe they should delay it about 10 years," and my aunt agreed with that. She is so worried for this fine young man. So am I. I plan to have my students write him (I always make this optional, and I always get 100% participation), and I will send him goodies too. Mostly, I just wish I could send him a safe return home.
For me, when Murtha was strong-armed out, and Hoyer was shoved in, I had a strange sense of forboding.
Looks like i was right.

[Rydz777]

22. I echo your sentiments about the family. We musn't forget that

for every soldier killed (or maimed) there a family members who are suffering pain, and nobody is keeping count of these numbers.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

21. As much as I hate change, I do like this title.

I don't see it happening, but I do feel very comfortable with it, in the context of the ongoing situation in the world today. But Good Lord Willing, we will change this very soon, and then the title will be obsolete. Then perhaps we can call ourselves The Happy and Optimistic Above-Grounders.

And wouldn't that be great??

[shadowknows69]

33. I've suggested Democracy Underground before.

Don't even restrict it by party but by people willing to fight for the constitution. I meant fight in the figurative sense Agent Mike, don't get your panties in a bunch.

[Forkboy]

36. I LIKE that one.

:thumbsup:

[KingFlorez]

34. Reid and Pelosi are not cowards

Bush is the only one keeping this war going and no one can force an irrational person to stop what they are doing. Reid and Pelosi tried, but when it comes down to it, there isn't much that can be done. If you want to blame someone, blame Bush, he's the only one at fault.

[hfojvt]

37. He's not the only one

we needed something like 15 Republican Senators and 60 Republican Representatives to over-ride Bush's veto. So the elected Republicans are still against the American people. Plus, there are still the media shills bashing the Democrats for even trying to end the war. One wrote a syndicated column in our local paper today.

[6000eliot]

38. Bullshit.

Reid and Pelosi could keep the heat on him, or they could cave in like scared children. I guess we know the road they have chosen.

[L. Coyote]

35. We'd have to admit 50% of the Republican Party!!! even some Birchers.

[LeftishBrit]

43. Not sure...

there could be people who are anti-war but right-wing on everything else, and I don't really want this to become Right-Wingers-So-Long-As-You're-Against-the-War Underground.

For the rest, it's not really up to me. Not being American, I'm not a Dem: I just think that it would be better for the world if a more liberal individual becomes president in 2008, and in the real world that's more likely to be a Dem.