UH-OH! I don't think the Dems EVER anticipated THIS heavy a negative backlash from the citizenry.

[BigBearJohn]

AND IT'S GROWING

LOOK OUT!!!!

[proud2BlibKansan]

1. How could they not know?

Sorry I just don't buy it.

[MuseRider]

2. If they didn't

then we certainly did not elect real bright people now did we?

How could they not, it isn't as if we have not been calling and writing and hollering about all of this.

[jillan]

3. I think you are right.

I think they were more worried about being called cut and run dems - or not supporting the troops.

They had no idea that their base was going to hold their feet to the fire.

Hillary and Obama may have been smart to wait this out before committing. We'll see.

[tularetom]

4. If you listen to Chris Mathews to find out what's going on

you'll never know what's really going on. And I think a lot of these politicians Dems as well as the asshole party do just that. I'm imagining the consternation that must be
going on in the Hillary Clinton camp as they take in the anger they're hearing from potential primary voters.

[Nite Owl]

5. Or they just figure that they

will take the hit and we will end up voting for them anyway because there is no where else to go?

Either way I find it really insulting that they thought we would even buy their lame excuses.

[JDPriestly]

11. We walk the precincts.

We register new voters. We do the thankless, anonymous work. The leadership really needs us. TV ads get their names out to the public. We make sure people get to the polls and can vote once they get there. We are the backbone of the party. The leadership had better start paying attention to us. They can't pay someone to talk to my neighbors the way I can. The party leaders need to stop and think about the price of ignoring our opinions.

[loudsue]

22. But they get inside the Beltway twilight zone, with all those lobbyists

bending their ears, and they get REAL forgetful that there are REAL people out here doing the work, and casting the votes. They are just so accustomed to the game that "whoever gets the most $$, WINS!!!" They really do think that every dollar they raise is a vote.

Diebold has news for all of us.

:kick:

[SeattleGirl]

6. I've heard and read that the reason they did this was that they are

afraid of the 30 second soundbites against them from the opposition. That is such bullshit, if that indeed is the reason. They should be much more afraid of what the people on their side of the political spectrum think! And we are NOT happy!!

[Individualist]

7. They didn't anticipate it because of their arrogance

They were convinced they could pull this DLC bullshit and get by with it.

[still_one]

9. You hit the nail on the head. People are running out of patience

The administration is trying to get up to 200000 troops there by the end of the year. The administration believes it will be more difficult to leave if they do that. It is time for the Democrats to do their job before this whole gets deeper

[Bluebear]

10. You said it. nt

[Jamastiene]

8. We should compile a list of who screwed us,

form a chapter in each state, research exactly when they first said they would stand up against the Bush administration, then send them a bill based on their salary for each and every second of OUR FUCKING TIME they WASTED while lying to us.

[Clovis Sangrail]

13. just watch

they'll try to make it a voice vote so they can't be held accountable.

[cascadiance]

32. Someone like Feingold will stand up and ask for a recorded vote! At least one of them BETTER!

Or I will start looking into companies up in Vancouver to work for soon!

[BigBearJohn]

14. Take those on the list and let's do the same to them as we did to Lieberman

Remember: Democratic seats can be replaced with other Democrats, no?

[Erika]

12. We want out of this insane war now

What the hell is wrong with th Dems for not listening.

[az chela]

16. they are arrogant and want more power.We have been

BETRAYED

[Solly Mack]

15. They knew

They are betting it's a short-term disillusionment.

[la la]

17. I'm hoping it's

some kind of trick to fool the decider in chief.

Yeah, I know, I'm hopeless!

:argh:

[Tigress DEM]

19. Or maybe they need to play it this way to get our hackles up..

Initially they steered away from impeachment, I think because they were having a hard time getting to the evidence that was under big fat rethug asses.

So, if they show that they have tried it through due process in the Senate and got nowhere, then it gives them more reason to investigate the prez who blocks them at every turn.

Anyway, with our apparent disappointment so obvious to the now, maybe now would be a good time to demand impeachment again.

[Downtown Hound]

18. They're counting on the fact that come 2008

We'll vote for them anyway because we're stuck between them and the Republicans. They're probably right. Doesn't make it any better though. This two-party stranglehold on the system has got to end somehow.

[emilyg]

20. you are right.

[kster]

21. I wouldn't worry to much, not many people are

paying attention, either way.

The bright side more people are realizing that the media is USELESS! :applause:

[Pachamama]

23. All I know, is that any member of Congress that votes for this bill doesn't deserve to be there or

any other elected role in the US Government....

I am so disgusted I could scream at the top of my lungs right now....How Pelosi, Reid and all the rest of the Dems didn't know how the 72% of this country would feel about the bill if it didn't include timelines for pull-out out of Iraq, then they are seriously, seriously out of touch.

Bush may have started this War, the GOP have cheerleaded it and rubber-stamped it, but now, the Dems, instead of saying "No More", are officially enablers, which means that they now OWN the War!

I think this will go down as the day the Dems lost a lot of supporters....Whoever is running for President tommorrow and votes for this bill, can say goodbye to their Presidential Bid....I certainly won't vote for anyone who does vote for this bill.

[allalone]

24. anybody else sharpening their pitchfork? nt

[loudsue]

26. No, no pitchfork here. But I'm stirring a pot of TAR, and pluckin' feathers

faster than the chickens can run.

:kick:

[Cobalt-60]

35. I like a nice Texas tar

[Hardrada]

25. If reasonable alternatives don't work, populations turn to

other solutions to end arrogance of an elite. There is no reason we have to continue to play by the rules of a failed political system and there is no reason we can't turn to other ideologies to purge away the corruption and the arrogance. I don't think those Beltway degenerates quite understand the danger of this.

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[JVS]

28. whoa, I hope Agent Mike doesn't take that too seriously

[Hardrada]

40. It has been my experience that in the political realm, no one

has ever taken me seriously. Why would this change?

[Forkboy]

29. And they deserve every single bit of it.

[radfringe]

30. yeah, I'm big-time p.o'd

working on a letter to send off - but I have to calm down a bit and do some "editing" on it to remove the *@^^&!!!

meanwhile - just tossing this thought out.

It's not only the Dems who are going to get blasted by their constituents over the Memorial Day break - it's also the republics

Could there be some careful timing involved with the funding bill and the holiday? Think about it - a congress critter returns to their home district, attends some Memorial Day function, makes a speech about supporting the troops, remembering those who died for freedom and is immediately surrounded by angry constituents. A face-to-face chewing out has more of an impact than an e-mail/fax/phone call.

Remember the outrage that pelted them over Dubai? The story broke, a few days later there was a Congressional break - and it was a big about face when the congress critters returned to DC

We may see a different tune being sung by more than one Congress critter after the holiday

[Cobalt-60]

43. we'll know tomorrow.

[cascadiance]

31. EVERYBODY call every media outlet, and every congress critter and DEMAND public campaign financing!

That is the only way we are going to get the corporate bribesters out of our politicians pockets so that we can have some REAL choices of who represent us and not get stuck with corrupt jerks!

[Maraya1969]

33. I seriously wonder if these people read the blogs and forums like this.

Maybe they don't know how mad everyone is and it is wrong for us to think that screaming on a forum is actually getting to our representatives.

I really think we need to make a real effort at letting them know how pissed we all are.


Here is Nancy Pelosi's contact information again and any other suggestions would be great.

http://www.speaker.gov/contact/

[Hubert Flottz]

34. Joe Sixpack is teaching the old dogs a new trick...

We're tired of bidness as usual in Washington.

[BR_Parkway]

36. 70% don't support the war and they didn't anticipate? Throw the fools

out and lets start over - how could anyone be that dumb?

[The Backlash Cometh]

37. I saw an incredible backlash last night.

I think it was on CNN news, but the ticker tape was full of news about Iraq casualities. I was amazed. It was like they were saying, "Dems, you own it this time!"

[VP505]

38. For so long now

people paid little attention to most of what was being done in Washington and operated on idea that we elected them they will do what's right. Along comes the disaster known as The Bu$h Admin and a whole lot of people, thanks to the internet, etc are starting to pay attention. That's especially true on the Dem side, people are waking up. Reid and Pelosi better start recognizing that "we the people" are watching and will have a say in everything they do.

[Arugula Latte]

44. I still don't think they truly "get" the Internet.

They are indeed in a bubble, and don't fully realize the extent to which people can compare notes on them.

[mzmolly]

39. They tested the waters and found they were boiling.

;)

[bobthedrummer]

41. Kick

[Manifestor_of_Light]

42. Looks like both parties are caving in.

Michael Moore said that Bill Clinton was the best Republican president we ever had.

He did balance the budget, got us into a surplus even, and I lost my white collar job (me and several other people) during Bill's tenure.

[onenote]

45. I wish I saw evidence of the described reaction, but I don't

Yes, the anti-war movement is outraged. But I don't see any sign of a "backlash" from the electorate in general, or even the bulk of the Democratic party membership.

Put another way, if the the bulk of the Democratic party membership is so outraged by the funding vote, why is Kucinich still doing so badly in the polls?

[doggyboy]

46. Me neither

I think some are stuck in the DU bubble, as opposed to the DC bubble