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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 07:47 AM
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I sincerely apologize, DU.
On January 1, 2007, I wrote a journal entry supporting Nancy Pelosi. I complained about several critics here, not by name, who demanded more than she could possible offer. I wrote about her leadership skills under difficult circumstances, and I suggested that with time, she would prove to be a major success.

I was wrong.

The 100 hour rush of legislation was a sham. Little or nothing was accomplished, unless you think pissing off and embarrassing the unflappable John Boehner (R-OH) counts as a success. Well, OK, let's call that last one a tie.

Nothing else has come out of that surge of legislation. To the contrary, Congress concentrated on the wrong things.

Let's take Ethics reform. I personally know of a dozen former GOP voters who shifted their allegiance last November because of the growing scandals, frauds, deceit and lies that are so much a part of this administration. Several of them were voting Democratic for the first time in their lives. I know how they felt; I had once voted GOP myself.

The package (perhaps a better label would be the bag of shit) eventually proposed by the Democrat majority is embarrassing. Instead of pushing for clean government, access to information, open windows into who is attempting to buy off our congresscritters, and decoupling the group bribes that K Street has now perfected, this has become a tissue-based bandage on an open wound so deep and deadly, that the stink is worse than that malodorous perfume that wafts downhill from pork mega-farms in Iowa. These greedy spineless bastards could not even get themselves to ban K Street hiring of congresscritters for two years.
What was worse was how many (D) congresscritters almost rejoiced at being able to suckle on the K-Street teat just like the GOP before them, and damn the consequences. The Black Congressional greedy assholes were almost, but not quite as bad as Murtha, Rahm Emanual, and a few others. If you need a visual, Encyclopedia Britannica has a video clip of a school of piranha attacking a defenseless cow. I do believe you can spot Rahm at the head of the pack.

Iran - This issue has to be the second worst. We here recognize and discuss the many dangers that exist in the muddle east. Israel is under rocket attack, and responds with 10x the deadly force. Lebanon, with a unforgivable push by Condi Rice, et al, is succumbing to Iraqian levels of violence. AIPAC continues to control the message issued by our congress, especially on the Democrat side, EVEN THOUGH the press in Israel is far more free, far more wide-ranging, and far more critical of their own government actions! When you put it all together, where do the Democrats stand on Iran? Pro war, pro invasion, pro disaster.

Name one congresscritter that has peered past the lies promoted by Cheney/Rice. Hard to think of one, eh? Name one congresscritter worried about the escalation of naval war games 15 miles from the Iranian shores. Name one congresscritter who complained that Bush/Cheney/Rummie lied that the current IEDs in Iraq HAD TO BE imported from Iran, because the IRaqis were incapable of such high tech manufacturing.

I'd bet that you can't name one, because, at least on the D side, they are MIA. NOT ONE raised a stink when two local factories in Baghdad, using old munitions and US weapons, were found to be manufacturing the IEDs locally. (with Reuters suggesting the US reconstruction funds also assisted in setting up the manufacturing sites)

That leaves us with Iraq. The quagmire. The Democrats won a majority in both houses for a couple of reasons, ethics, rational foreign policy, economic reform, and of course, Iraq. 70% of us want out. 70% don't believe or trust Bush on anything related to Iraq or terror.

when Nancy Pelosi caved in and pretended to score a victory by giving Bush everything he wanted, her decision was the final straw that broke the donkey's back. It is worse than embarrassing, it is a deadly shame. She just bought into this war, in more ways than one.

Yesterday, the GAO reported that the funds at issue don't really matter. EVEN IF WE PASSED NO BILL AT ALL, the military would have all the money they need in Iraq. I will repeat that. EVEN IF WE PASSED NO BILL AT ALL, the military would have all the money they need in Iraq.
That is according to the government branch that is tasked with knowing that kind of stuff.

If we step back, take a deep breath, sit, ponder and consider the truth of the matter, we see a Rovian hand once again. BushCo lied, again, when they said that not passing this bill would put our troops at risk. It simply was not true when they first said it 3 months ago; it still is not true today. Yet the MSM, AND our Democratic leadership never bothered to investigate the truth of the matter. Instead, they swallowed another lie from this administration as though it were fact. That is strike one. They pretended that they really were going to approach this occupation morally and stand up to the president. That was strike two. Then, Nancy et al, caved in, at the same time that they lie to us and claim victory.

Three strikes, Nancy. you're out.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 07:50 AM
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1. K&R - perhaps it's time we focus some energy on getting rid of...
...the congressional Dem leadership?:shrug:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 07:51 AM
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2. Do you have a link for that GAO report?
:shrug:
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 07:52 AM
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3. heard it on NPR at 5am yesterday.
heard it again on the rebroadcast. Am still searching for the paper on that.
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dave_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 08:02 AM
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5. Doesn't seem to be on the GAO site yet
... but if we figure that the basic funding's already there till September even without the supplemental for the "surge", then it follows pretty logically that there's enough to cover a pullout, provided it doesn't drag on till the end of summer.

Congress blinked too early. It should have just pulled the plug and defied W to abandon the troops without using the spare billions for withdrawal.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 07:55 AM
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4. While I certainly don't agree w/what the bill has become...
I have to wonder if this isn't part of something larger that we have no idea about?

Personally, I think that w/in the time-frame so far, some things have been accomplished. The entrenchment of RW ideology needs to be treated aggressively, but it's roots are pretty deep and it will take time.
I'd have to read the entire bill to see what is going on, I can't go w/what I see in dribs and drabs, it has gotten me into deep trouble when I just go by what I see posted and the short bites I get from the news. The Patriot Act is a prime example of bad legislation passed w/o scrutiny.

Politics is all about compromise, the big problem is what one is willing to compromise and the effects it will have.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 08:05 AM
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8. i agree with what you said here
"Politics is all about compromise, the big problem is what one is willing to compromise and the effects it will have."
but what is the problem with that is---you have to have both sides who understand this. george bush won`t play the game and since the "party leadership" caved in,he does`t have to.

i will always remember tip o'neal and ronny reagan sitting around shooting the shit.. of course they did`t agree on everything maybe nothing at all but they knew how to play the game to get what they wanted.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 08:48 AM
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19. Precisely....What was said on the floors of the House and
Edited on Thu May-24-07 08:50 AM by rasputin1952
Senate was one thing, but the real work came over drinks at a local pub. Bob Dole was one of the "Old Time" R's and knew how to negotiate. Tip O'Neal was the same way...Dan Monighan was one of the best at negotiating, but he was a certifiable genius, very few things got past him, he was incredible at negotiations and compromise. Goldwater was a negotiator as well...but his hard-line persona was the only thing the public saw. In his later years, he was almost in the Progressive ranks...He HATED Reagan and Bush I, and made no bones about it...:D

The ideologues that came in w/Gingrich believed they were 100% correct on every issue, so they refused to compromise on anything. There are times when the welfare of the nation, does not allow compromise, but all problems are solvable when an open mind is the option.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 01:54 PM
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22. Remember when Gingrich and the GOP seized Congress?
The ideologues that came in w/Gingrich believed they were 100% correct on every issue, so they refused to compromise on anything.

He said "We will cooperate but we will not compromise"

I remember hearing him say that and thinking, "Uh-oh. We're in trouble."
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:21 PM
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26. Yes...BIG trouble. Anyopne who won't compromise, won't
cooperate either. Gingrich made sure the GOP had full rein, and they were not about to let that go. They screwed up so poorly though, that even the R base is running away before they catch fire.
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Nunyabiz Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 08:04 AM
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6. The ONLY Democrat
that has stood up against this war from the very beginning and the only democrat that has actually said we need a new investigation on 9/11 because it is nothing but lies and the only Democratic Congressman running for president that has tried to Impeach Cheney is Dennis Kucinich.

But does he have the total support of all Democrats? Not even close and WHY is that? Because the criminally complicit Mainstream Media refuse to acknowledge that he exist because he is the strongest political candidate that hasn't turned his back on his base or the majority of the American people.

When will everyone pull their phucking head out of their asses and see that you are all being lead, being told what to think by the MSM
They are who tells the country whom to vote for, whom they say the candidates are, and whom you should vote for because they are repeating those 2-3 names repeatedly over & over while they refuse to acknowledge other MUCH better candidates exist.
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k8conant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 08:07 AM
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11. You're entirely right...
I continue to support Kucinich because he says the right things and does the right things.
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dave_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 08:09 AM
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12. Took the words out of my mouth
Beat me to it by 3 minutes.

Agreed wholeheartedly.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:03 PM
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24. A belated welcome, Nunyabiz!
And he's the only candidate that I've donated to thus far! I was out running errands earlier today and I heard him on Ed Schultz's show and he was still standing up for what is the correct thing to do even on dem capitulation day! :hi:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 10:23 PM
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27. That's not true. Over 100 Democrats voted against this war.
:hi:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 08:05 AM
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7. what sophistry
"I'm sorry DU"

Pfft.
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sheerjoy Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 08:05 AM
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9. YOu had an opinion
and it was valid at the time.

It is shame though that we were so duped.
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dave_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 08:07 AM
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10. Name one congresscritter ?
Kucinich? he's urged NO supllemental or renewed funding throughout. He's not just a congresscritter but also a candidate, but most Democrats don't consider him a "real" candidate because he takes radical positions that go beyond the mainstream.

Well we've seen mainstream. Time for something else?
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 08:09 AM
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13. good point. no, great point
He is speaking truth to power.
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Nunyabiz Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 08:31 AM
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17. the sad thing is that most people
are fully aware that the 'Mainstream" is nothing but a pack of bald faced lies used to cover up the treason and war crimes of this mis-administration.
So when someone goes "beyond the mainstream" basically means they are the ONLY one telling the damn truth!

Sad when someone telling the truth and has the facts to back it up is looked at as not a "real candidate" simply because everyone follows what the MSM says in lockstep like Neofascist lemmings off the proverbial cliff.

Then we wonder how the hell we got into this mess, we have no where to look but in the mirror.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 08:09 AM
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14. I think you need to give Nancy Pelosi a bit of a break...
It was a political maneuver that appears to have failed, or did it?

In reality, the Democrats got far more than what Bush originally said he would accept. From the reports today, he's pretty pissed about the domestic spending items in the Bill, and he just might veto this one too, which would really give the Democrats a political leg up again. If he does sign it, there are still some other tactics they can and will try. I think by September they will begin to get some Republicans crossing over, and they will succeed the next time.

It's frustrating to watch it play out, but there is a political process to it, and what makes it especially difficult is that the Republicans and particularly Bush are very hard to budge. I personally think that they're making progress albeit subtle and slow. Unfortunately, people continue to die.
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dave_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 08:13 AM
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15. I don't blame Pelosi
The deal stinks, but this goes way deeper than her.

The whole party needs spine. I think Nancy would make something of that. She isn't working with the best America could have given her.
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 08:21 AM
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16. What bullshit
Another example of why I hardly post here any more.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 08:48 AM
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18. Why dismiss summarily....
a well thought out and well written post of another persons opinion? Maybe it's a good thing you hardly post here anymore.
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 01:41 PM
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21. Really?
Read to me like just another garden variety whiny Dem bashing post.

Did yours come with a brownie or something?

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slowry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 04:05 PM
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25. Even if you allow that they "made mistakes" in authorizing Iraq.
They're doing the same things now, and it's worse.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 12:59 AM
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31. and you broke your "hardly post" record for this.
:eyes:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 08:52 AM
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20. I don't blame Pelosi. She has done a great job but has Rahm Emmaneul and
the DLC biting at her heels and a Senate with Lieberman types who don't give her any help. Harry Reid is another story. But, Pelosi is solid but handicapped by Hoyers (that she didn't want) and Emmanuel and the other Clinton Type New Dems who want the POWER that Bush has when they assume the dictatorship left by the Bushies.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 12:07 AM
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30. I agree with you. n/t
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 07:27 AM
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35. Emmanuel is personally responsible for cultivating all those new Blue Dogs
and he is actively seeking more to fill congress. It all starts with AIPAC and the DLC. The party will move further to the right unless they are purged. And I do not believe that is even possible.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 02:34 PM
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23. Deception ...
says it best. It's the most essential talent in elected government.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-24-07 11:59 PM
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28. I believe I was one of the cynics
and I am sorry you were wrong.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 12:06 AM
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29. I can't say I'm not disappointed but I think Nancy as the first
woman Speaker of the House seems to be held to a higher standard than former Speakers of the House. I remember a girl friend of mine who made it through medical school, back when women weren't accepted by their peers nor their professors, telling me that she was held up to standards that even the best of her male classmates couldn't meet. So I wonder if we are demanding too much of Nancy and if her caucus isn't letting her down?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 01:12 AM
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32. Good for you. This is what a free country is supposed to be about, thinking, refletcting, changing
Edited on Fri May-25-07 01:13 AM by autorank
...your mind.

We're all vulnerable to our 'blind spots' from time to time. To my own amusement and others, I thought
Clinton had NOT had sex with that woman. Yet, as a believer in science, I had to fess up and say, well
so what, everybody makes a mistake.

When I heard about the 100 hours or whatever it was called, I immediately thought they'd void that
hideous repeal of habeas corpus in late September. But nooooo.... nowhere to be found. There was a
lot of unity work to be done, particularly with the paleo conservatives who are true defenders of
the Constitution. Nobody is more hard core anti-Bush than scion of that movement Paul Craig Roberts.

Yet, that was not on the docket. In fact, nothing is on the docket. Any major bills coming out of the
House? So what if the Senate might reject them. Let them go on record as enemies of the Constitution,
people's right to health care, the environment, and US security (i.e., Iraq war disaster).

What a mess. But good for you.
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 07:10 AM
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34. K&R. If the money for the soldiers is there,
then the money voted on yesterday was probably more for Blackwater...
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