This War Funding Bill ensures a Dem Prez in 08

[Saboburns]

It does a lot of other things as well.

And I don't like it one bit.

But it lays Iraq all on Bush's lap.

Republicans will still suffer come 08 because of it.

But of course, Gee Dub and the true believers can never think this through. I imagine he's on TeeVee gloating just this second.

[magellan]

1. Really? From where I'm standing

...any light between the two parties is quickly disappearing.

[ThomCat]

3. I agree with you. The dems are dancing to repub tunes now.

I don't see where we've accomplished a damned thing. x(

[INdemo]

31. If we look at this funding bill real closely ...did the Democrats really cave on this?

Not really..This funding bill is only good until Sept 30th..there are several other funding issues included that would not have passed in separate legislation. What has happen with many Democrats 'vs' this funding bill is that the corporate media has accomplished their goal of making us think that our Democratic Majority has betrayed us.If we would look at the bill in depth than we probably could claim a small victory but not enough to quiet the war critics but this finding battle has just begun. The media however wants to claim a victory for the White House.
This all falls back to the fact that the reason Republicans are so damn good at their propaganda schemes is because we are so quick to believe it through their corporate media spinsters.

[ThomCat]

35. It's not media spin.

They're continuing funding of a war that should be cut off immediately. Even if this spending is only until September, we've seen no sign that they won't do this again in September. They've allowed optional benchmarks. Optional!

[INdemo]

39. Well without explaining the actual contents of the bill the media has repeated over and over

the question "Will this hurt the Democrats?" and at the same time giving the White House and the Republicans a victory..Sure I think the withdrawal timetable should have been included but the media is still spinning this a major defeat for the Democrats and it is not..But the corporate media has seized the opportunity to have us believe that.There wasnt all that many Senate Democrats that voted for this bill so we cant condemn the whole Democratic majority.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/22/AR2007052201329.html

[TwilightGardener]

14. Disagree--the left and right are pretty far apart ideologically, but lefty ideas

are not being represented well in Congress--too many on the Dem side representing us who are consistently willing to capitulate and be "bipartisan", and too many FAR-RIGHT Repubs skewing the curve.

[magellan]

21. The result is the same

And results are what matter.

[spotbird]

18. Amen.

The only difference is their rhetoric.

[DU9598]

2. Senate Republicans

They are the real losers politically ... the troops and the American people are, of course, the real losers.

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. No I disagree

Why would anyone vote for chickenshit Dems?

[Mark Twain Girl]

32. Exactly. These people were supposed to fight; the mandate was clear.

I see more of a slide (incremental or perhaps even not) down the chickenshit hill.

[proud2BlibKansan]

37. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[mike_c]

5. "...it lays Iraq all on Bush's lap."

I disagree. Just the opposite, it allows the democratic party to become an equal investor in crimes against humanity. How on earth could you conclude that a democratic agreement to fully fund the war "lays it all in Bush's lap?"

[Beelzebud]

6. keep telling yourself that...

Iraq was already in Bush's lap, in case you hadn't noticed the 2006 election.

What the Democrats did today was buy a share of it.

[Danieljay]

7. Don't count on it. They are all the same now anyway. Cowards to a truth that doesn't exist. n/t

[Turbineguy]

8. It certainly tells voters

they need fewer republicans.

[Individualist]

9. Up is down, black is white, bad is good....

:eyes:

[Horse with no Name]

10. Bullshit.

All they need is for Hagel to step forward and the Presidency is theirs. He is anti-war AND he has stood up to this President.

[Bandit]

11. Yep that is why they are afraid to have their votes made public

Dick Cheney Democrats now are co-equal participants to this debacle. They want to operate in secret behind our backs so they can continue to reap War Profiteering benefits, then they deserve the same scorn as does bush* and the Republicans. Nader truly had them pegged way back when..

[MadHound]

12. Please, can I have some of what you're smoking? On second thought, no, keep it,

I like living in the reality based world.

Let me lay it out for you. The Dems were elected to majority position of anti-war Republicans, leftists, centerists and Democrats all with one huge over-riding message, to put an end to the war ASAP. If the Dems fail to do so, that coalition will melt away. The 'Pugs will go back to their party, and the rest of the anti-war left will either vote third party or stay home in protests. This will pretty much means that the DLC/corporate wing of the Democratic party will have to win the election all by themselves. While they have the money to do this, they won't have the votes, and thus those Democratic majorities will disappear, and the WH will remain in 'Pug hands. We've seen this scenario happen before in '68, and it will happen again.

This is not a victory for the Democrats, it is a craven, cowardly cave in that reflects on them badly.

[lonestarnot]

13. He's credible because "he reads the intelligence!" Bwwwwwwwwwwaaa OMG

[DUyellow]

15. 2008... "The dems supported this just as much as us...

they voted for the money, if they didn't support it, they would have cut the funding when they had the chance."

That is what will be said.

[IChing]

16. How many more Americans will have to die for this?

How many are going to be brain damaged or have missing limbs for this?

[mmonk]

17. Nope

This is buying a third party run on the left or on both sides.

[wisteria]

19. I don't agree. It makes us look weak and it questions our loyalty to the American people.

Remember, they elected us and gave us the majority in November 06 because they wanted a new direction in Iraq. This poor excuse of a compromise makes us as responsible for the mess in Iraq as the Republicans. Only difference is, we look weak because we gave away so much and the Republicans look stronger. Sorry, I see this as a win for the Republicans and don't think they don't know it. The biggest gloater being Bush.

The next time the Dem House and Senate leaders come asking for money they are not going to get a cent from me. The most important issue of our time and they want to concede to the Republicans because they don't have the votes right now and have to move along to other business.

[Solly Mack]

20. I agree that's what the Congressional Dems are hoping

but we'll see....

[Bluerthanblue]

22. no, the Dem's just bought themselves a war- and lost themselves

credibility-

What kind of a Democratic president would this buy us?

A Leiberman one?

[treestar]

23. The People will see that with any pro-war President

It has to go on.

Another campaign point is that the Repukes have stacked the judiciary so much, that we need a Democratic President and Congress in order to get anything done to undo what we've let the Repukes do for years.

It's insane to react as if a Democratic Congress with the insane Bush as President can suddenly, or even should be, the Decider now. But it can stop him from getting more power as he certainly would have if Congress had continued to have a rethug majority after the 2006 election.

[KingFlorez]

24. People here don't get that

The fact is, this war will not end until Bush is out of office and people need to understand that.

[wisteria]

28. Oh, I understand that, but forcing him to concede position and change course are worth fighting for.

It would save American lives and go a long way to send a message to the Iraq government that they have to get their act together.
This "compromise" makes Democrats look like we agree with Bush on the path of the war.
Oh sure, people are going to want a Dem President from a weak party that can't even continue to defend what is right and just and follow through on the will of the people.
Do you think the American public is going to say, oh well, those fighting Dem's tried, but Bush just was to stubborn to give an inch?

[OnyxCollie]

38. I agree. It's not "Mission Accomplished" yet for the neocon agenda.

There's still money (and oil) left to steal.

Does the Id ever say, "Enough"?

[dogday]

25. Since we voted some of those Democrats into office

and let them know we want something done about Iraq and yet they still refuse to act... Who do you think will get blamed in 2008? The Democrats will own this war by then....

[wisteria]

26. The American public - the majority who are against this war, are not interested in the fine points

This makes the Dems look like we gave into the Republican's will on Iraq. We are no better then them. Just watch our approval rating drop.

[Ganja Ninja]

27. In order to win the presidency you have to get people motivated

to vote for your candidate/party. Right now my motivation to vote Democrat is fading fast.

[wisteria]

29. I am in a position where I am suppose to represent the Democrat party and right now, I find I can't

defend them. I'm disgusted myself.

[jerryme1]

30. Not so fast. Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda --- The Republican party's decisive weapon of choice.

[AlGore-08.com]

33. Even if it was the right thing to do, the Dems, as usual, lost the PR war

The press is covering it as the Democrats caving in. It puts any Democrat who votes for further funding on the defensive in 2008 - - it'll be "I voted for it before I voted against it" moment in the public mind.

2008 is very far from a lock on our side.

[hatrack]

34. Enjoy your game of Beltway Inside Baseball . . .

It's been Bush's war for more than four years now, and another four-month appropriation isn't going to make it any MORE his war. Except now the Pelosi Democrats are a major minority shareholder, which isn't going to do them any good in 2008.

What we just saw was a Democratic Puppy Congress rolling over YET AGAIN to get their tummy scratched by someone who's going to pour gasoline on them and light a match.

[TwilightGardener]

36. The next prez will be someone who convinces the American public

that he/she will resolve Iraq in the most sensible manner possible, according to America's best interests. That may OR MAY NOT be a Democrat.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

40. Sorry, but you are wrong.

It makes the Dems look like shitbags who forgot WHAT they were elected by the people to do -- end the damn war.

They come off as spineless.

[KoKo]

41. And we were in VIETNAM 20 YEARS! Hearing the same SHIT!

Over and over.....