Why aren't our Dems as articulate as the Pubs are?

[napi21]

I'm talking about the most recent war funding cave in. I think I can guess what the Pubs would have said in the same circumstances but having a Dem Prez. "We sent the Prez a bill that would fund the troops, and HE vetoed it! That, ladies & Gentlemen is your DEM Prez who is refusing to fund the troops, NOT US! Since your President has been crying and moaning that the troops absolutely NEED THE MONEY NOW, we sent that same bill back to his to give him another chance. Le will see if he again refuses to fund the troops THIS TIME!"

But out Dems either can't think that way, they're too chicken, or simply never learned how to work an argument!

This kind of thing happens all the damn time! The Pubs ALWAYS manage to turn an issue around and blame the Dems, but the Dems NEVER react in kind!

WHY? Surely they can't be smarter than us?

For God sake, I went to a learning semnar years ago when I was first promoted to a buyer for the company I worked for...to LEARN how to negotiate, and how to WIN! Can we send all the Dems in Congress to some classes...PLEASE?????

[Demeter]

1. If They Wanted To Win, They Would

They don't want to. Don't ask why, it will drive you crazy.

[Iris]

2. Maybe they've lost their voices since they haven't been allowed to speak in 6 years.

:shrug:

[blondeatlast]

Frank Luntz.

I'll just post the Google search:

http://www.google.com/search?q=frank+luntz&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGLH

[BOSSHOG]

3. I had to chuckle at the recent spin

that the dem congress did not give the troops any funds. They gave them a shitload of funds and bush just looked at the bill with a drunken grin then whipped out his veto stamp.

[LisaM]

4. Maybe they don't see it the same way as running a business

But are just trying to proceed with what will work and what is best, in the long run, for the country. No one will ever give them props for that, but is it all about "selling"? Or are they perhaps just committed to moving forward, accepting reality, and seeking what progress they can (such as the minimum wage increase)? A few months ago, the minimum wage bill was huge news - it vanished - and yet now, wages are being increased, which will positively affect a lot of lives. And the war spending bill will come back in September.

[wiggs]

5. It's fair to say that members of congress, dems included, are smart, ambitious,

aggressive, powerful "A" personalities, at least fairly articulate, well connected, and able to call upon nearly unlimited resources. They are generally gifted people when it comes to communication, organization, strategizing, and plotting. Many are/were lawyers, very capable of arguing, asking questions, framing issues.

I have stopped believing that they don't get the "right" message out because of the media, because they aren't as well organized as GOP, because they're not as devious, because they don't have the right consultants, or because dems are inherently less capable of framing.

I think they communicate exactly what they want to.

[pscot]

6. It's easier when you're speaking from a script

My parrot sounds articulate, but most of what she says is utterly meaningless.

[mmonk]

7. Maybe it's harder for dems to lie than republicans.

[napi21]

12. But I'm NOT talking about lying! I'm talking about telling the truth

and tossing the ball into the court where it belongs! IT WAS Shrub who denied the funding for the troops via HIS VETO, but how many times did you hear ANY Dems say that? Nooo, they said they'll work on a bill Shrub will sign!

All I'm saying is that none of the Dems seem to have the ability to snap back with a quick, short, and truthful response to the silly and false accusations the Pubs toss at them.

[nini]

17. that's a big part of it IMHO

we try to be honest and do the right thing and get smashed everytime by lying loudmouths pieces of shit.

We need some pitbulls in there.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

8. It started with Gingrich. They know how to use propaganda and "framing" and we don't....

n/t

[Jim Warren]

9. articulate?

red meat to dogs
pasture to sheep

[Lobster Martini]

10. Sadly, it's true...

Some days democrats couldn't find a way to spin a top. If a democrat proposed a bill to give seniors on fixed incomes free cans of tuna, Tony Snow would have a press conference within 15 minutes and the next morning's headlines would read "Democrat Bill Would Starve Tiny Cute Kittens." It's irritating that every headline read "Bush Wins..." or "Dems Back Down..."

[Jim__]

11. It doesn't matter what you say.

It does matter what the media broadcast. If the media are constantly parroting puke talking points, then, it seems like the pukes have a better story.

[napi21]

14. Of course what's in the media matters, but I'm not talking about that.

I'm talking about not hearing them while I'm listening to them LIVE! Their words, not what the media does with them.

Listen to Harry Reid's last several speaches, either on the Senate floor or in a Press conference! What do you hear? Someone who already sounds like he's defeated!

To go back farther in history, compare Kerry's response to the Swift boaters to Shrubs response when some reporter asked him about his DUI. Kerry first of all waited way too long to respond, and when he did he had 5 minute explainations of why those guys were wrong. Shrub on the other hand simply said "That's ancient history and I'm not going to talk about it!"

Do you understand what I mean here? It's not only one Dem, it's almost all of them.

[Grandrose]

18. I feel your pain!!

As far Reid, I will say one word: Lieberman!!!

I give credit to the Repubs for having no conscience or respect for the truth and therefore, will say anything and do anything to win!

Do not short change Senators Durbin, Boxer, Kennedy, Webb, Whitehead, Feinngold to just name a few. Not to mention the Black Caucus!:)

[napi21]

19. I do giv e credit to those you mentioned, that's why I said MOST

Dems don't know how to win an argument! The BIG PROBLEM is that those who are "leaders" are the ones who don't know how!

I really hate to agree with the Pubs on anything, but I gotta tell ya, I like their idea of ignoring senority and vote for the leadrs they think will do the best job!

[Grandrose]

13. They are as articulate....

Please do not foreget the same MSM who helped get us in the mess! Just how much coverage do the Democrats get compared to Bush and his bully pulpit?

Why has everyone forgotten the last 6 years of a Repub take over of the Presidency, Congress and Main Stream Media run by the greatest propaganda manipulator in my memory Karl Rove!:eyes:

[napi21]

15. Please read my post just above yours. I'm talking about the Dems when

they are speaking LIVE, with NO media spin!

[David__77]

16. Lack of centralism and discipline.

Democrats need to toss out organizational liberalism and decentralization. Only a tough, ruthless, centralized, and disciplined organization can win and maintain political power over the long haul. I don't EVER want the Republicans to gain a majority again. It would be ideal if they lost power everywhere.