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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 01:59 PM
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So do you think TSA will be responsible for more traffic fatalities this holiday?
That is what I am hearing on some radio talk...People will now fly less and decide to drive the long drive instead..Icy roads and tired people all equal more accidents...:shrug: I suppose it is a possibility but.....
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 02:00 PM
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1. haven't heard this proposed yet...
but yes...per my previous thread i believe it will be so...

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 02:04 PM
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2. They may be blamed, but that doesn't make them responsible...
If that were the case, the airlines are responsible for the rest of the fatalities because if traveling by air weren't so expensive, a lot more people would do it and stay off the roads.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 02:07 PM
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actually in some cases it is cheaper to fly...
so what say you to THOSE cases? it would take me two and a half tanks of gas to get to Minneapolis (nearly $200 one way) and i could fly air tran for $89 one way).

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 02:27 PM
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13. What are you driving that it has 27 gal gas tank?
$200/ $3 a gal =66.7 gal
66.7 gal divided by 2 1/2 tanks= 26.6 gal/tank

What are you driving?
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 02:55 PM
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15. truck-o-saurus...
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 02:05 PM
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3. Well we went to VT last year to get married (didn't due to some legal hitch)
Edited on Mon Nov-22-10 02:08 PM by HillbillyBob
this year I would drive if going any where. The scanner bothers me, but not as much as being groped by strangers repeatedly..
We would be driving therefor responsible. Just more right wing spew.
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jdlh8894 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 02:05 PM
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4. Yes! In Airport parking lots! People trying to FLEE!! n/t
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 02:06 PM
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5. If people decide to drve, it is their responsibility not TSA's. n/t
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 02:10 PM
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7. so, the TSA and their procedures don't make people think
and possibly change their minds? i disagree. ultimately, yes, it is their decision...but i believe that if something is made sufficiently painful you would not do it...but it is still a choice...

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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 03:31 PM
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18. TSA is not responsible if an airplane
upon which those people who do decide to fly, crashes onto a highway on top of a bunch of people who did not want to fly.

People make their choices and live with the consequences.

TSA will no be responsible if some airline goes bankrupt because people do not decide to fly.

People should be responsible for individual choices.

The problem is not about who is responsible for highway deaths, but whether we as a nation will stand up for our rights to be free of unnecessary search and seizure. And this is not just the TSA, but a government that is so frightened of frightened Americans who will blame them WHEN some terrorist gets through.

If they want to search me, they can show probable cause or prove that not searching people for the last 9 years has caused sufficient loss of life. An underwear bomber and a shoe bomber are not sufficient cause to ignore the Constitution.

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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 02:07 PM
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6. Yes.
Thousands will die and it'll all be the TSA's fault!!1!
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AnotherMother4Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 02:13 PM
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8. RW radio started the TSA bashing & now they're calling for privatization - same MO as for unions. NT
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 02:19 PM
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9. Palm Beach Intl. reported no problems and lines moving right along....n/t
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 02:20 PM
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10. The lack of personal responsibility for anything nowadays is unbelievable
Edited on Mon Nov-22-10 02:21 PM by stray cat
thats like saying progressives who urge not flying are responsible for any increase in car, bicycle or general traffic accidents or anyone who stays home and dies from some cause.
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guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 02:21 PM
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11. yes
The recent public ire toward the TSA’s new pat-down and body imaging screening methods is likely to cause more people to drive automobiles and forego airline travel, say two transportation economists who have studied the issue.

“Driving is much more dangerous than flying, as you are far more likely to be killed in an automobile accident mile-for-mile than you are in an airplane,” said Horwitz. “The result will be that the new TSA procedures will kill more Americans on the highway.”

Clifford Winston, a senior fellow of economic studies at the Brookings Institute, stopped short of saying that more people could die as a result of the TSA policies, but said that the airline industry will definitely see a decline in passengers if the public’s contempt for the pat-downs and advanced-imaging technology systems continues.


Complete article at http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/130243...
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 02:22 PM
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12. Unrec for not taking responsibility for your decisions.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 03:09 PM
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16. raising the effective cost of safer travel has no bearing on safety?
yes, the traveller can choose to pay whatever price tsa, and for that matter, the airlines decide to charge to travel safely. at some point it's no longer a "decision". if the cost (be it social, political, or monetary) is prohibitively high, you no longer have that option.

i'd be safer travelling in a professionally driven limo everywhere instead of driving myself in my 10-year old sentra, but i cannot afford to safer alternative. did i have a choice in the matter?

every incremental cost associated with safer travel pushes people toward unsafe travel. yes, individuals can, to an extent, make their own decisions, but this does not let tsa off the hook for THEIR decision.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 03:11 PM
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17. Fear mongering and boycotting also can encourage people to drive
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ManiacJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 02:52 PM
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14. Not the TSA; lots of bad drivers are responsible for the traffic deaths.
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caraher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 03:37 PM
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19. Depends on the meaning of "responsible"
If "TSA will be responsible" means nothing more than that their procedures will have the effect of causing many more people to drive than to fly, with a concomitant increase in traffic fatalities, then yes.

Otherwise, it gets complicated...
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 03:43 PM
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20. according to one poster here, it will be that fault of the dirty libruls..
despite the fact the outrage transcends party lines.
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