Aviation Pro
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Mon Nov-22-10 03:45 PM
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...Security or Liberty.
Choose.
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Mon Nov-22-10 03:51 PM
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1. "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, |
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deserve neither liberty nor safety."
As Benjamin Franklin said. Or is said to have said, anyway.
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Mon Nov-22-10 03:53 PM
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2. I'd rather die free than depend on government to keep me safe. n/t |
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Mon Nov-22-10 03:53 PM
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I hope you took good pictures.
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Mon Nov-22-10 03:54 PM
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can we have the 2nd Amendment back?
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Mon Nov-22-10 03:55 PM
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5. I only need to look in my gun safe.... |
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Edited on Mon Nov-22-10 03:57 PM by Aviation Pro
...to know that the 2nd Amendment is strong, and, under this administration, safe.
I wouldn't hedge my bet under a lazy, douchebag, assclown Republicant administration.
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Mon Nov-22-10 04:01 PM
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Mon Nov-22-10 04:24 PM
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9. Then why the ultimatum |
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Mon Nov-22-10 04:53 PM
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12. It's not an ultimatum - it's a choice. |
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You can choose for the government to protect you, to give the gift of security thru spying on citizens, unreasonable searches, eliminating Habaeus; or you can choose liberty.
BTW, if you choose security you are asking the government to take your precious guns away.
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Mon Nov-22-10 05:12 PM
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So what is it called when I want government to "give me the gift of security" for one thing, like, oh let's just say my fear of the 2nd Amendment, but I don't want government to give somebody else the gift of security from being blown out of the sky?
Seems pretty unreasonable for me to expect government to keep me secure from my fears and to ignore the fears of others.
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Mon Nov-22-10 05:15 PM
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17. Oh, so you are in favor of wiretaps, searches, arrests without warrant, |
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and imprisonment without charges.
Got it.
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Mon Nov-22-10 05:32 PM
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Or you are just trying to avoid answering the question?
What is it called when you demand government to give you the "gift of security" for what you fear, but not do the same for others and what they fear?
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Mon Nov-22-10 05:41 PM
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23. It is called hypocrisy, and it's not a game that I play. |
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I don't demand that the government protect me - never have, never will.
But then, I'm not afraid of my neighbors.
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Mon Nov-22-10 05:50 PM
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I would bet many on here complaining about the TSA searches also see no problem with government giving them the "gift of security" when it comes to their fear of guns.
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Mon Nov-22-10 05:32 PM
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21. arrests w/o warrant have been legal for over 100 yrs |
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Are you saying arrests should only be via warrant? Cops go to a DV. Female is bludgeoning male over head with a baseball bat. Cops shouldn't be able to arrest w/o warrant?
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Mon Nov-22-10 05:39 PM
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22. My bad - meant to say 'search w/o warrant'. Otherwise, I stand by |
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Tue Nov-23-10 01:21 AM
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28. Thanks for the clarification |
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Searches w/o warrant should be rare, of course. But there are exceptions and always have been. However, due to the fact that technology makes it MUCH easier to get warrants quickly these days, that should be taken into account in terms of case law. For example, many police now have fax/modems in their cars and cell phones which means it is no longer necessary to leave a scene, drive to a courthouse (or a judge's house in the afterhours) to get a warrant signed, etc. A cop who has a car pulled over in the middle of nowhere can email a judge a warrant affidavit, and call him on the cell and be sworn in over the phone, making 'exigency' a rarer excuse these days, then 30 yrs ago.
Imo, case law neeeds to take this into account, and agencies need to be proactive in training and assigning equipment to do telephonic warrants more often.
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Mon Nov-22-10 04:40 PM
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10. And how many of your guns has this administration confiscated? nt |
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Mon Nov-22-10 05:14 PM
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But I find the search to own a gun to be VERY invasive and a violation or my right to privacy.
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Mon Nov-22-10 05:18 PM
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18. Do you believe there should be no restrictions on who can own guns? nt |
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Mon Nov-22-10 05:28 PM
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19. Do you believe there should be no restrictions on flying? |
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Mon Nov-22-10 05:42 PM
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Mon Nov-22-10 05:52 PM
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26. Aw, and you were doing so well |
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Mon Nov-22-10 05:59 PM
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27. You are the one who refused to answer my question. |
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I answered your questions.
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Tue Nov-23-10 09:24 AM
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29. The questions are the same |
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I am sure we both believe there has to be precautions put in place to protect people from their fears. I just want to know why the double standard, seeing how that is what has led us to this point.
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Mon Nov-22-10 03:59 PM
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Mon Nov-22-10 04:02 PM
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8. Wrong. We never had the choice.... |
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...because everyone was so scared when Two Shoes McFuckstick was living lazy and large in our house.
Let's make sure we stay on track with how we fucking got here.
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Mon Nov-22-10 04:41 PM
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what you wrote in your response, you are agreeing with me that it's a false choice. Our reasons for thinking that are different, though, I suspect.
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Mon Nov-22-10 04:56 PM
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...every time we forsake freedom (liberty), the terrorists win.
-P
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Tue Nov-23-10 09:28 AM
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30. Invasive and humiliating treatment |
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or PRIVATIZATION. They have chosen.
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Tue Nov-23-10 09:33 AM
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31. The underwear bomber came from Amsterdam and the shoe bomber came from Paris |
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Edited on Tue Nov-23-10 09:34 AM by Ted_White
All this is, is a Republican lobbyist attempt to secure a multimillion dollar airport scanner deal that some people don't like, in which an ass bomber can circumvent.
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Tue Nov-23-10 09:37 AM
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32. Security is an illusion. |
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I could walk outside this morning and be killed by a car that lost control on an icy road. Being constantly afraid is futile.
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