2012 Democratic primary: Who would you support?

[Newsjock]

It's been a few months since the question was asked here, so let's see what folks are thinking in light of recent developments. Remember to keep the discussion civil!

[Mojambo]

1. Chuck Schumer...

Nice. lol

[demosincebirth]

29. I would vote for Obama, but he'd better get out of playing softball and

start playing hardball with those nut jobs republicans. My support is waning, but I want a Dem in the white house until 2016 and beyond.

[w8liftinglady]

2. I would LOVE to see Dean/Kucinich....

They are two with the fortitude to bring our country back to it's roots.

[Autumn Colors]

3. Can't vote - an ad is blocking my choice - I click, I go to ad website

I wanted to vote for Howard Dean.

[EFerrari]

51. That is probably your browser and not DU. n/t

[yourout]

4. All of the above but whoever had the best chance to win the general.

[mmonk]

5. Either Dean or Kucinich if offered.

Problem is it won't happen.

[Xicano]

65. What mmonk said.

n/t

[underpants]

6. Obama

next question

[MindandSoul]

7. an independent:: Bernie Sanders!

[mmonk]

8. I would be on board with that.

[Waiting For Everyman]

9. +1

[NorthCarolina]

13. He'd have my vote in a heartbeat. nt

[Xicano]

66. I would vote for Bernie Sanders in a heart beat.

n/t

[stevenleser]

88. How can an independant run in the Democratic Primary? Wouldnt just running in that primary

indicate he was no longer an independant?

[Scurrilous]

10. Cindy Sheehan!!1!

:thumbsup:

[dionysus]

18. GRAYYYYSONNNN!!!11!1!eleventy

[Autumn]

11. Dean, Bernie sanders, they both sound good

to me. Dennis Kucinich.:)

[Mojambo]

12. I would love another opportunity to cast a vote for Howard Dean. n/t

[demmiblue]

14. Other: Howard Kucinich...

I can't make up my mind!

:silly:

[Little Star]

15. You forgot John Edwards.

Just Kidding. k&r

[dionysus]

16. you do realize, that Dean is a centrist, don't you? i voted for him in 2004, and would again,

so I won't knock him, but this delusion that he's some uber-liberal is just hillarious. he'd be torn to shreds just like Obama on here if he got elected.

but I'd only vote Dean if Obama wasn't running.

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[dionysus]

24. so he's to the right of Demint now? the things people say...

:rofl:

[Jack Sprat]

28. Yeah, the things people say, dionysus.

especially you.

[BzaDem]

31. At least not he's saying something as ridiculous as the idea that Obama is to the right of Demint.

[Jack Sprat]

38. At least I have the opportunity to place

a couple of Republicans I know on my ignore list. Thanks.

[emulatorloo]

53. "Obama makes Jim Demint look liberal." LOL n/t

[Dr.Phool]

17. Elizabeth Warren, Howard Dean, Dennis Kucinich, Russ Feingold,

Bernie Sanders, Alan Grayson, Tansy Gold.

[hayu_lol]

21. Wes Clark...or someone like him.

He probably will not run again however. We lost someone who knew the Pentagon, the congress, and how to make his points with both the public and the press.

The list above is mostly retreads whose time has come and gone.

Kucinich is popular with such a small percentage of voters that he has no chance...and his record, no matter what he 'says' is really poor. 16 years in the congress and he has pushed through 3 bills. Two to show American movies in east block countries and the naming of one post office. Dennis 'do-nothing' has nothing to offer to anyone.

[LostInAnomie]

20. Obama

Because anyone that runs against a sitting Democratic president is a fucking moron.

[MannyGoldstein]

22. Obama, of course - he should have 4 terms, like FDR

He's made good progress on helping the Republicans to feel loved and wanted, and in demonstrating that Democrats can really be good partners in rebuilding our nation. Now the Republicans can see that we're all good people, and we all want the same things for America.

Why would anyone want someone like Dean, always confronting the Republicans with "Democratic values"? It's like a red cape in front of a bull, a really stupid thing to do.

[Erose999]

94. I guess it will take another 3 terms for this elaborate game of multi-dimensional chess where he can

support DADT in the conservative Roberts court while simultaneously working to strike down DADT in a soon-to-be Republican dominated congress.

Or if he keeps the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest bracket then I guess we will just add another 8 years to the timetable upon which trickledown economics was supposed to work. Any minute now the working class will finally get that trickle down Reagan promised them 30 years ago.

[boomerbust]

23. Feingold

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[demosincebirth]

30. He would be another McGovern, for sure.

[madinmaryland]

26. Sigh...

[BuelahWitch]

27. I'd take any combination of Dean, Grayson, Feingold or Elizabeth Warren n/t

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

32. Good luck recruiting Dean, Hillary or Kucinich to the cause. Who else can save us?

[BzaDem]

33. No one. Luckily, the major candidates will save you from yourselves. n/t

[Chan790]

40. How can you call it "saving us from yourselves"...

when Obama seems hell-bent on delivering a Palin presidency?

I don't criticize Barack Obama for primarily ideological reasons, I criticize Barack Obama for being completely politically-tone-deaf and inept. His predecessor might have been a dunderheaded moron, but he actually seemed to understand the political game. I can't even say that about Obama...the man's smarter than me, but he governs like he's got no idea what he's doing. Worse, he's a Pollyanna...that this guy came out of Chicago precinct politics astounds me.

3d chess, my ass...the guy ain't even playing checkers.

[BzaDem]

44. Because having a serious primary challenge would actually cause a Palin presidency

not to mention cause Democrats to lose the African American vote for decades. So no, it won't actually happen, and yes, that is saving you from yourself.

[Chan790]

48. So your argument comes down to:

1.) We can't primary an ineffectual sitting President because doing so might alienate minorities. (This just isn't true coincidentally. I live and work in a primarily-black middle-class inner-city neighborhood...they're losing faith in him too.)

2.) We're fucked on the inevitability of a Palin presidency starting in 2012.

Yeah, I'm going take this as a positional win. You've got nothing even approaching a rebuttal here.

[Canuckistanian]

34. Wow.

Very revealing.

[Swamp Rat]

35. Kucinich fan here, but I'd also like to see this ticket: Feingold/Grayson 2012

[cbdo2007]

36. There is ZERO chance Dean will challenge Obama in 2012.

Perhaps he'll make a run for it in 2016 but there is no reason for anyone to challenge Obama in 2012 with the Republican's not having a clear favorite and with the probable circus that is going to ensue on the Repube side during the primaries.

2012 will be the year where the Repubes weed out all of the crazies because they know the chances of winning against Obama will be small. They'll save their best candidate for 2016 for the "two term regime change" that follows a two time winner.

[AtomicKitten]

37. LOL.

[Joe Fields]

39. Truthfully, does it really matter anymore?

[obxhead]

41. Just about any Dem besides

Obama or Clinton.

If Daffy Duck came out with a progressive platform I would vote for him over Obama at this point.

[Chan790]

43. Daffy Duck?

I'm supporting Raptor Jesus.


"Raptor Jesus, he might be a paleoconservative...but he's still more progressive than Obama at this point."

[obxhead]

45. pfft

:spray: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Thanks, I really needed that.

[yourout]

46. Laugh of the day!....thanks.

[flvegan]

42. Kucinich/RFK, Jr.

A couple of things I really don't like about Kennedy (pro-life, vaccine nutjob) but that name on the ticket, and his is a liberal (mostly)...

[Le Taz Hot]

93. Any anti-choice candidate on the ticket

will be a deal-breaker. It's non-negotiable.

[FrenchieCat]

47. Howard Dean couldn't even win Iowa during a primary......

and as much as I like the man, the media would make mincemeat out of him
whenever they would decide to do so.....like they did the last time.

But everyone should get their orange hats and go for it..... :bounce:

just don't want folks pointing the finger at anyone but themselves,
when the shit blows up in their face, and we are left with a Republican
piece of shit who will make Obama look like FDR all day long. And understand...
it will be the fault of those who are advocating for Obama to be primaried
day in, day out that this would happen....and if it means y'all, then make
sure that you are able to be accountable for the true (not hyperboled) misery
that you will have forced upon the populace.

Oh....and let us just say that whomever would decide to primary Obama, not only
would not win the primary, but would only weaken Obama. If one thinks that most
Black folks are going to vote for Obama's forced relacement, one's got another thing coming.
So folks can scream "Primary him" for the next two years,
as long as they understand that the shit they dislike in Obama will get one million
times worse in his successor, who will definetely be a Republican, and not a Centrist at that.
So as long as they don't feel like they have anything to lose, and don't give
a shit about the millions that do, then hey....go for it. Dean in 2012...or whatever.

[EFerrari]

55. That's right. Gibbs was in Iowa smearing Howard. He did a good job.

The trouble is, it's been six years now and everyone knows Dean AND Gibbs a lot better now.

And no one could do as good a job weakening Obama as Obama himself is doing. Fighting someone off might even make him pass for a fighter for a minute.

[FrenchieCat]

59. Go for it! You can afford it, obviously.......

and those of us who can't will be taken on that ride nevertheless.

As for Gibbs smearing Howard Dean....I believe that what caused Howard Dean's
demise more than anything was him showing up in Canada talking shit about
the Iowa caucuses....because let's face it; the press pronounced him "inevitable"
for months and months throughout the run up to the primaries....and yet, he still
managed to lose Iowa and then all of the other states except for Vermont.

But anyway, that is so 2004.....
I'm sure in 2012, the media will help Howard Dean as much as they can...
especially Fox News, if indeed he listened to those here who would once again
get disappointed, as Howard Dean would not win, and even if he did (which he wouldn't),
he end up being more of a centrist...because in the United States, the President
isn't a king, and never was, and never will be.

Black folks will sit at home, and we will see most of congress become Republican.....
and with a Republican President, then the real show will commence.

Hopefully, we'll still have websites to go to, so that we can complain each and every day,
and sign on-line petitions, and not much more.

[EFerrari]

61. The Congress just did become Republican

and this president seems obsessed with Republicans. Looks like the show is on now, you don't have to wait.

[FrenchieCat]

62. Unfortunately, that's what Fox wants you to believe......

and so I'm sure that they would approve of your thinking....
and when the Republican President is picking the next Supreme court justices,
and starting new wars, and all branches of the government are Republicans,
believe you me.....it will be a different show altogether,
no matter how much you complain now, it won't be quite as much fun then....

But obviously you haven't seen that movie enough times yet....
and so, keep working at it, and I will save you a seat.
We can then eat popcorn and talk about the good old days,
and speculate on the woulda-coulda-shoulda and shit....
cause what we won't have is a future to speculate about;
mark those words.

Till then. Enjoy the game.....cause that's all that is happening these days at DU;
folks playing who don't really give a shit about much other than what is about to go
down within the next minutes, in their otherwise miserable lives....
and how right and superior they will feel if they predicted it.
...and if things don't happen as they speculated and predited for days that it should,
then they'll simply just move on to some other low hanging cynical fruit....
cause that is basically all that they do.

[EFerrari]

64. Please, Frenchie. You really can't fly the Fox flag on me.

LOL

[FrenchieCat]

71. If the results end up exactly how Fox wants it,

than the Fox flag flies nevertheless.

[EFerrari]

82. If you define yourself by Fox, I suppose you are stuck with them.

:)

[Radical Activist]

74. Iowans can spot a fake.

That "liberal one day and centrist the next" routine do go over so well.

[EFerrari]

81. That's pretty funny. n/t

[Radical Activist]

69. Yep.

[Renew Deal]

49. Howard Dean supporters implicitly support Palin or Gingrich

Because Dean like 2004 is unelectable. A Dean nomination is suicide.

[Erose999]

91. An Obama re-election is just about as bad as a Romney presidency.

Palin is more un-electable than Dean. Gingrich, like Cheney and Rove, is a troll with no charisma.

The real republican nominee will be a milquetoast like Romney or somebody.

[Rowdyboy]

50. DU is an alternate universe, a sweet reverie, an opium dream....Here everything is possible

and the unbelievable is everyday.

Where better to indulge your fantasies?

[emulatorloo]

56. it is a bit of a bubble. N/T

[Godhumor]

68. Bit of a bubble? Bit?

I'd say it is a pretty damn big bubble.

[Unvanguard]

52. Barack Obama. The only one I'd give a second thought to is Hillary Clinton.

But I'd probably stand by Barack Obama to discourage future primary challengers to sitting Democratic presidents.

[Capitalocracy]

70. The theory being that a primary challenge leads to a loss?

I'm not so sure that has to be the case.

[nemo137]

76. Name an example where an inurgent candidate challenged a sitting president

and won, and then went on to wind the White House. It doesn't "have to" be the case, but it certainly looks likely that a big primary battle correlates with a loss.

[Capitalocracy]

78. Well, I'm no historian

but I don't think there's a large enough sample to develop a real theory. Serious primary challenges on sitting presidents aren't all that common, are they? I mean, because something never happened before in just over two short centuries is no indication that it couldn't happen now. If a primary challenger took the mantle of change away from Obama (who, let's face it, has basically given it away already) and the Tea Party, maybe we'd have an upset.

Just saying it's too up in the air to come to conclusions. I do understand that the Republicans would have plenty to say about it and everything, and that it would be a long shot... but on the other hand, if someone had enough momentum to achieve that kind of upset in the primary, they'd carry a lot of momentum to the general election.

[nemo137]

80. Sure, but there's a whole bunch of "if" coming off your post.

This hypothetical candidate not only has to convince enough Democrats in the primaries (and, frankly, I'm pretty involved in the political process, and I still don't know how we're handling superdelegates and such in the aftermath of the 2008 primary) that he or she ought to be the standard bearer, but also convince enough Americans that he or she ought to be president. That seems like a tall order, especially since many of the names floated are candidates who have failed to get over at least one of those bars in the recent past.

[obxhead]

86. There's just as much assumption coming from your posts.

I think Dems proved that they can unite after a primary. Just look to the Obama/Clinton war of 2008 that Clinton decided to ride all the way to the end. All the pundits claimed it would rip the party apart. Funny, I remember Obama being called the winner before the west coast even came in. A clear and decisive victory.

Just because a propaganda pundit on TeeVee says something will happen does not mean it will. In fact many times the opposite happens.

[Unvanguard]

92. No reason to believe it's a necessary consequence.

But certainly it weakens the President so challenged.

[AngryAmish]

54. Bob Stinson

'bout as smart as this poll.

[FrancisTreptoe]

57. I would have to say sherrod brown

[Toucano]

58. In the spirit of "devil you know", I'll go with Barack Obama.

The rest of that list is super tired and old.

The delusions on DU about Dean never cease to amaze me, though.

[quickesst]

60. I supported HRC ....

....last time and would not hesitate to support her if she chooses to run. If not, Obama is a clear second, hands down. If Kucinich were to pull a miracle with the nomination, I firmly believe the dems should just hand the keys to the White House over to the repugs. Not a slam on Kucinich, his character, and ideals, but one only has to look at the recent past to know I am simply being realistic. Thanks.
quickesst

[usregimechange]

63. Feingold/McCaskill, can't get better than that

not that America deserves them.

[hfojvt]

67. I'd like to a-nominate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EXXZVdUJ98

a-ZZ-Top

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO8x8eoU3L4

[CakeGrrl]

72. Wrong question.

It's not about who you'd support.

It's about who you think would actually DECLARE their candidacy. Wish-list candidates are a dime a dozen.

If there's a remotely reality-based speculation, it starts with that.

[Radical Activist]

73. I'm surprised people want to move right with Dean.

His platform and career record were clearly not as liberal as Obama's. Besides the cliche hand-wringing about "fighting more" he hasn't taken any stands to the left of Obama in the past two years. I understand that people are disappoitned, but the Senate isn't going to suddenly turn liberal just because Dean screams at them.

[Hugabear]

75. Alan Grayson!

I would vote for him in the 2012 primary in a heartbeat. President Alan Grayson...damn that sounds good just thinking about it. Imagine how the repukes would react to that :)

[nemo137]

77. A one-term congressman who lost his district.

I really do admire Alan Grayson, but I think the last person with that record to do that was Lincoln, and I think that the circumstances have changed somewhat.

[Greyhound]

79. Waaay too early. But whomever wins, if there is a primary challenge,

We will get President Romney (or whomever)

And no, it won't be Palin.

[Alexander]

83. Lizard People

I would hope that the VP nominee would be Lee L. Mercer Jr. (All three)

[Laelth]

84. Proof, once again, that DU remains the premier LIBERAL U.S. political forum.

This also shows why we're generally hostile to the DLC and others who would turn the Democratic Party into a second Republican Party.

As Ted Kennedy said, "The last thing this country needs is two Republican Parties."

-Laelth

[lib2DaBone]

85. None of the above.

Alan Grayson... Russ Feingold or Bernie Sanders.

[BlueIris]

87. There won't be a primary challenger

because he won't be running again.

[NightWatcher]

89. support? why bother

I may go vote on a diebold machine for the D, but it's all a ruse anyway

[BurtWorm]

90. I'm not going to support anyone who hasn't declared.

[upi402]

95. Warning: Dean is the next Obama

He's more radical on some issues, but is no friend of the worker. And that is prime or it's lights out. We need trade agreements and tax laws that help America and that means workers. Dean will not.

[Newsjock]

96. After 200+ votes, the results surprise even me

They certainly aren't representative of any group other than DU, but I'm surprised how much support Howard Dean still gets here, at least in theory, when up against several other potential candidates. That's not good or bad, just surprising.

[sweetapogee]

97. If anyone

other than Obama is the dem candidate in 2012, the WH will go to the pukes.

[WA98296]

98. I will NOT vote for another corporate dem NO MATTER who the opposition may be. n/t

[KamaAina]

99. Question: How would most of the above attract the million$$$ to run a credible primary campaign?

Save for Gore and Clinton, I can't see anyone else raising the megabuck$ needed to get through the new, heavily front-loaded primary season. The days of McGovern parlaying a string of early wins in small states into a juggernaut that rolls on to the convention floor are gone. Indeed, that was the purpose behind front-loading the primaries. :eyes: