The system is broken, but

[nadinbrzezinski]

As I am readying on the Stuarts and land management..and how they could not move away from down right medieval management methods, never mind they were losing money hand over fist. No modernization came until the English civil war. Theirs led to major changes in the system when all was said and done. You know shit like a real Parlaiment and more power to the middling folk...

I fear we are headed for such a shock...not necessarily a violent revolution, but one nonetheless. That will be the point the current real Constitutional crisis will finally break. Not a second before...and the deficit is the modern equivalent with the same marriage to tradition with a splash of Imperial Policy...

Change, when it comes, will be dramatic, and chiefly painful...

[Joe Fields]

1. A major difference; actually two: The British didn't have ....

the internet and television to hypnotize the subjects into extreme complacency.

They also didn't have mega corporations that owned media brainwashing them either.

[Sonoman]

4. Yep. See below.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9652700&mesg_id=9652770

Sonoman

[Rosa Luxemburg]

2. The Kings of england generally had everyone in a war

so the masses were kept busy

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Yes, but we are in a continuum.

The great systemic change came with the Glorious Revolution.

This country is a continuum to Magna Carta, and it will need a major shock to change.

Blame that long view of history.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

6. still have wars though

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Historically that's not an aberration

And that goes back 10,000 years or so.

[snappyturtle]

5. A broken object can be repaired to resemble its former self....

shattered ones cannot. I think the system is not only broken but shattered. Where does one start to put something back together again that's shattered?

edit:spelling

[TheKentuckian]

8. I believe the system is working as intended and the few decades between WWII

and the early to mid 70's when the wheels first got wobbly and certainly by the Ray Gun Revulsion were just an aberration.

The super majority of time capitalism has existed, it has been almost wholly cancerous.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. We ARE in the middle of a Constitutional crisis

The last time it got this bad the calendar read 1859, and in my mind this is starting to look worst.

[Greyhound]

7. K&(invisible)R. Now that the die is cast, I just find it funny that even when you post nothing

but historical fact, it is already unrec'ed into the negative.
:kick: & R & :rofl:

[Joe Fields]

10. I don't dispute the facts, just the correlation.

[Greyhound]

15. I wasn't referring to you specifically, but now that you mention it...

Your disputes consistently show a definite bend in the same direction. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. I got fans!!!!

And this is like trivia...takes readying fairly specialized crap...I believe this one comes from the journal of economic history.

But a fuller picture of the US in the long view is emerging, at least in my mind.

[Spider Jerusalem]

9. Well, yes and no, and really not until the Glorious Revolution.

Cromwell and the interregnum don't count so much. Charles II was a masterful manipulator of Parliament, but only up to a point; he dispensed with Parliament completely for the last four years of his reign, and James II was little better when it came to belief in the absolute right of the king to rule. The idea that even the meanest peasant had rights a king was obliged to respect goes back to Magna Carta; the trial of Charles I may have been important in showing that even the monarch was subject to the laws; but in practice? The Glorious Revolution of 1688 and the Whig ascendancy are what brought about the real beginnings of constitutional monarchy (along with the English Bill of Rights of 1689).

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Exactly...I just used the lousy, down right medieval

Management of royal lands.