Obama And GOPers Worked TOGETHER To KILLl Bush Torture PROBE

[Segami]

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A WikiLeaks cable shows that when Spain considered a criminal case against ex-Bush officials, the Obama White House and Republicans got really bipartisan.



" In its first months in office, the Obama administration sought to protect Bush administration officials facing criminal investigation overseas for their involvement in establishing policies the that governed interrogations of detained terrorist suspects. An April 17, 2009, cable sent from the US embassy in Madrid to the State Department—one of the 251,287 cables obtained by WikiLeaks—details how the Obama administration, working with Republicans, leaned on Spain to derail this potential prosecution.


The previous month, a Spanish human rights group called the Association for the Dignity of Spanish Prisoners had requested that Spain's National Court indict six former Bush officials for, as the cable describes it, "creating a legal framework that allegedly permitted torture." The six were former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales; David Addington, former chief of staff and legal adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney; William Haynes, the Pentagon's former general counsel; Douglas Feith, former undersecretary of defense for policy; Jay Bybee, former head of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel; and John Yoo, a former official in the Office of Legal Counsel. The human rights group contended that Spain had a duty to open an investigation under the nation's "universal jurisdiction" law, which permits its legal system to prosecute overseas human rights crimes involving Spanish citizens and residents. Five Guantanamo detainees, the group maintained, fit that criteria.


Soon after the request was made, the US embassy in Madrid began tracking the matter. On April 1, embassy officials spoke with chief prosecutor Javier Zaragoza, who indicated that he was not pleased to have been handed this case, but he believed that the complaint appeared to be well-documented and he'd have to pursue it. Around that time, the acting deputy chief of the US embassy talked to the chief of staff for Spain's foreign minister and a senior official in the Spanish Ministry of Justice to convey, as the cable says, "that this was a very serious matter for the USG." The two Spaniards "expressed their concern at the case but stressed the independence of the Spanish judiciary."



Two weeks later, Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) and the embassy's charge d'affaires "raised the issue" with another official at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The next day, Zaragoza informed the US embassy that the complaint might not be legally sound. He noted he would ask Cándido Conde-Pumpido, Spain's attorney general, to review whether Spain had jurisdiction.


On April 15, Sen. Mel Martinez (R-Fla.), who'd recently been chairman of the Republican Party, and the US embassy's charge d'affaires met with the acting Spanish foreign minister, Angel Lossada. The Americans, according to this cable, "underscored that the prosecutions would not be understood or accepted in the US and would have an enormous impact on the bilateral relationship" between Spain and the United States. Here was a former head of the GOP and a representative of a new Democratic administration (headed by a president who had decried the Bush-Cheney administration's use of torture) jointly applying pressure on Spain to kill the investigation of the former Bush officials. Lossada replied that the independence of the Spanish judiciary had to be respected, but he added that the government would send a message to the attorney general that it did not favor prosecuting this case.


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[Swamp Rat]

2. k&r

[Me.]

3. Is There A Point To Having A 'Dem' Pres?

[MissDeeds]

82. Yes, but only

if the President is a real Democrat.

[COLGATE4]

101. Not any more, it seems

[John Q. Citizen]

105. it's called managed democracy. Tastes great/Less filling

[INdemo]

111. He is not a Democrat..

He is a Republican, we were fooled..

[SammyWinstonJack]

128. +1

:thumbsup:

[chimpymustgo]

137. We were LIED to.

[RetroLounge]

131. Don't know, we don't have one.

RL

[Richard Steele]

141. At this point in time, the answer is obviously "no". nm

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[flvegan]

6. Show of hands...anyone really surprised?

[MisterP]

23. CHESSBOARD! (nt)

[liberation]

76. LOL...

Technically checkers are played using a chessboard, so you could be correct ;-)

[axollot]

71. *waves* Disappointed, yes very much so. n/t

[defendandprotect]

106. Just another link in a very depressing performance by Obama ....

[RaleighNCDUer]

126. 18 months ago I might have been.

Not today.

[sabrina 1]

7. Shameful, it is absolutely shameful. I wondered what would

happen with those charges. I remember reading that Spain had decided to hold up the case, hoping that with a new administration, the U.S. would start its own prosecutions. After it became clear that this was not going to happen, last I heard, the charges were supposed to proceed in Spain.

So Obama once again, was working to protect war criminals, using Republicans to help him do it.

I feel so betrayed. I remember when we were told that all these issues would be taken care of once Democrats had the WH and Congress. The truth is there were more investigations and hearings going on in Congress when Republicans were in power, than there are now.

Are we going to find out that Obama together with his Republican friends, ordered Congressional Dems. like Conyers and Leahy to drop their hearings?

I am speechless. These revelations are stunning.

Now, where are Obama's defenders who said he WANTED to restore the rule of law, but 'Republicans wouldn't let him'? It was clear from his behavior, his lack of passion about the violations of our laws, that he was not interested in the issue at all.

Disgraceful, despicable, I cannot think of enough words to express the disgust these revelations deserve. And the sad thing is, none of it will make the Rightwing love him. So, why does he do it?

[Lucky 13]

11. Why does he do it? Cause he's one of them.

I'm done with him. Despicable disgraceful shameful lying scoundrel.

[MissDeeds]

85. Exactly

Primary his ass. Why would we ever vote for more of his BS?

[defendandprotect]

107. +1 --

[defendandprotect]

108. Stick together with other liberals --

It's a huge liberal voting bloc which we can use to find solutions

to this growing fascism in America --

[INdemo]

112. We need a progressive candidate on a third party ticket and we need to

start organizing now....We can do it

[defendandprotect]

154. Think most of us consider Sen. Bernie Sanders to be a "Democrat" ....

he's more of a Democrat these days than many of our corporate Dems -- !!

I'd also take Grayson --

and some others --

and agree, we should be starting now --

[CrispyQ]

156. I don't vote for republicans - even ones with a D behind their name.

I'm perfectly fine with leaving the office of the president blank on my ballot. I can't describe the disgust I feel at this latest revelation.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Empire and the needs of such

When it comes to Empire it don't matter what party, name, race or class Caesar comes from, and anybody who doubts this should be around when the President visits abroad, as in the same city...

[bertman]

100. nadinbrezinski, would it be asking too much for you to give us a brief synopsis of what you

are referring to in this post. I think I have a pretty good idea but it might be useful information for some who don't know about these things.

Thanks.

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[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. Birds of a feather...

[Angry Dragon]

10. It seems that the people that are elected and appointed

to protect this country and its people are no better that the churches that protect pedophiles.

If this post contains the truth and facts then we have seen the light. It will be confirmation that there are some people above the law and the law only applies to the many. Not the few of wealth and power.

Perhaps instead of trying to hunt down Assange for revealing secrets these people need to look in the mirror and try to see if they can see their soul.

[howaboutme]

15. So we took impeachment off the table

When that was said by Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer it should have been a very big indication of exactly where the new Democratic Party was headed.

What was that all about, kumbaya, appeasement or cover-up too? I'm really starting to believe that the real power brokers are not with either Party but something way above them and so far above us that we're oblivious and naive enough to think Party will make a difference. If I'm stepping across the line by being critical of my Party let me know. I'm becoming more than very cynical and stories like this don't help. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Empire and until the empire falls...

All empires behave this way...

[tavalon]

79. Yeah, America has this myth of exceptionalism

But we die the same way all other empires have. And we use the same delaying tactics. Sad.

[femrap]

117. I believe ours

is limping.

[lark]

124. I totally agree

I do believe there is an international power/rich cabal that's pulling all the strings. The Bushes, the Saudi Arabians, the heads of banks & wall st are all part of it. Tarp money going to bail out international banks should give us a clue that our government is in on this conspiracy and BO is the titular head of the government and had to approve this. My only question, and one I've had for some time, is was he lying from the beginning and is a total fraud and plant or did he get threatened or bribed afterwards and so became the corporatist tool he now is. I know he's not doing this out of ignorance and he can't be anywhere as naieve (sp?) as he appears.

[katandmoon]

12. Like attracts like.

[slay]

13. The Obama admin is participating in a cover-up of war crimes.

Sorry, but they are.

[Subdivisions]

14. Which makes them guilty by association/collusion of WAR CRIMES!!! n/t

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[lovuian]

49. Bingo

:argh:

[bvar22]

104. Protecting Torturers and War Criminals....

..IS a WAR CRIME.

[beforeyoureyes]

29. Never apologize for telling the truth

[tavalon]

81. I'm sorry too, but it's the truth

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Easy to explain, hard to accept...

This is exactly what Empires do...

As far as empire is concerned it don't matter who is elected...

[hootinholler]

20. The Judge who prosecuted Pinochet lost his career over this.

There was a thread earlier.

-Hoot

[liberation]

77. Not technically...

... he lost it when he angered some well heeled rightwingers in Spain when he tried to reopen some investigations regarding war crimes by the fascists during the Spanish civil war.

[RainDog]

21. got to keep the fascist safe n/t

[Luminous Animal]

22. Solly Mack some good stuff here, too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9663957&mesg_id=9663957

[leftstreet]

24. oh wow I completely missed that

Thanks for posting this!

[Bluenorthwest]

25. When Obama claims to be a holy pants Christian I vomit

"He who refuses to punish evil commands it to occur." DaVinci

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[somone]

27. It's called professional courtesy

Not surprising, but still disgusting nonetheless.

This is a must-read article.

[valerief]

72. +1

[ProSense]

28. OMG! What

a surprise. Not.

Anyone who expected that the U.S. government was going to allow another government to prosecute a U.S. President for war crimes is kidding themselves.

The fact is everyone knew that Holder was trying to avoid this situation. Scott Horton:

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The Spanish attorney general’s statement came following intense back-channel discussions between the Obama administration and the government of Spanish Prime Minister José Zapatero. When asked about the pending case during an interview with CNN Español, President Barack Obama stated “I'm a strong believer that it's important to look forward and not backward, and to remind ourselves that we do have very real security threats out there." Obama acknowledged in the course of the interview that his administration had been in discussion with the Zapatero administration about the criminal investigation in Madrid.

Acting on the Spanish attorney general’s instructions, the prosecutors advised the court against proceeding with an investigation into the Bush Six. They also stated their view that Judge Garzón should not handle both the torture complaint and the case against the Guantánamo prisoners. Garzón reacted to this request by sending the torture complaint back to the court’s administrative judge for random reassignment—as a result of which it went to Judge Velasco. However, Garzón remained in charge of the case against the Guantánamo prisoners. He has in fact been assembling evidence for a criminal case addressing the mistreatment of the detainees for many months.

Garzón’s ruling today marks a decision to begin a formal criminal inquiry into the allegations of torture and inhumane treatment he has been collecting for several years now.

Spanish lawyers close to the case tell me that under applicable Spanish law, the Obama administration has the power to bring the proceedings in Spain against former Bush administration officials to a standstill. “All it has to do is launch its own criminal investigation through the Justice Department,” said one lawyer working on the case, “that would immediately stop the case in Spain.”

Spanish Investigators Push Justice Department On Torture Role; How Will Holder Answer?

[Luminous Animal]

30. For the 3rd time. Bush is NOT on the list of six. Do people not read anymore?

It's odd that the torture defenders keep thinking that we are supposed to be SURPRISED(!).A lot more people, around the world access Wikileaks than Scott Horton.

[ProSense]

32. So?

None of this is a surprise to people who pay attention.

[Luminous Animal]

47. So? You seem to think that people are surprised when in fact, the cables reinforce,

from the horses mouths what "anonymous sources" were secretly willing to reveal and a only a handful of journalists willing to report. It makes it more difficult for the torture apologists to catapult the propaganda.

[sabrina 1]

63. Surprise or no surprise, we have a Democratic President

who is a Constitutional lawyer, attempting to protect Republican War Criminals from prosecution in another country whose citizens were victims of those torturers.

Did Obama promise to protect Bush War Criminals from prosecution in the campaign? This president swore to defend and protect the U.S. Constitution. He has violated that oath by protecting war criminals who violated our laws, violated the Geneva Conventions. They are monsters, and are viewed as such in most civilized parts of this world. To try to protect them, to hide their crimes, makes this president complicit in those war crimes. What a sad legacy he is building for the history books. The first Black Democratic President is now a war criminal supporter. I have lost all respect for him. I do not support torturers or their enablers.

And to think he claimed to oppose torture. The betrayals keep on coming.

[axollot]

70. pro had been pro the entire time. *shakes head* waits to be scrubbed. n/t

[Lucky 13]

31. Maybe it was "expected" for some people... but does that make it right? Are you defending this?

Do you think an American President should be able to commit war crimes or human rights atrocities with no fear of accountability from the world community? That the American government should protect that individual from sovereign nations?

[ProSense]

33. Right or wrong

it's not a surprise, and again, anyone who believe the U.S. government was going to allow a foreign probe to go foward is kidding themselves.

[Subdivisions]

34. ARE. YOU. DEFENDING. THIS???

[ProSense]

35. ARE. YOU. HAVING. TROUBLE. UNDERSTANDING. WHAT. I. WROTE? N/T

[Subdivisions]

36. It is right? Or, is it wrong? Are you defending this? Yes or no... n/t

[ProSense]

40. It is what it is, and no amount

of handwringing is going to change it. The odds are better that there will be a war crimes trial in this country, and those odds don't look good.

It is what it is, and completely expected.

[Subdivisions]

41. Are you defending this? YES or NO??? n/t

[Bluebear]

44. No answer from whoever "ignored" is?

No surprise. Of course they're defending it. "Our" side did it.

[ProSense]

46. No, I expected it. Did it surprise you? n/t

[Subdivisions]

48. No, it didn't surprise me. Nothing he does surprises me anymore. n/t

[TheMadMonk]

62. His, your, or my support or oposition are neither necessary or useful.

NOT as the situation currently stands. Nor as the situation has ever stood in the history of international relations.

This is not about defence or opposition. This is simply acknowlegment of the world as it has always worked.

Given your stridency, I too would have done my damndest to "wind you up", by refusing to directly answer a question that YOU have made relevant ONLY in a context of personal confrontation, if you'd addressed me in that fashion.


You want it different, stage a coupe and install transparent governance. And history tells us just how well that works. NOT!

With media like the internet we do have the means to ensure individual (and compartmentalised) privacy, while making conspiratorial secrecy a lot more difficult. And look at how hard both government and business work to undermine that individual privacy, whilst simultaneouly denying us the tools necessary to pierce the veil of secrecy that must surround each and every conspiracy for it to succeed.

Read Assange's mission statement sometime, he doesn't give a shit if you or I care. He simply seeks to used the tools of the internet and anonymity to make it past possible to conspire in secrecy on any great scale. Who actually takes notice is of no import to his strategy, which simply requires that someone (ANYONE) other than the conspirators is "in the know".

Our national and individual consciences are our own affairs. BTW I think the tongue in cheek definintion is particularly apt here: Conscience is that little voice which tells us someone is watching.

[donco6]

135. Wow. It can't even manufacture a defense anymore.

I think it's spin-o-meter has done worn out.

[Lucky 13]

38. You aren't answering the question directly.

You are saying we should have expected it. That's not the same thing as saying it's right or wrong. or that you agree with it or don't.

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[tavalon]

84. I AM

IS THIS ALL CAPS DAY?

[RetroLounge]

132. Of course IT is defending this.

That's what IT is paid to do.

RL

[EFerrari]

57. They didn't "avoid" the situation. They actively tried to kill the case. n/t

[neverforget]

89. And stuff like this is going to continue to happen because those responsible

have not been held accountable. Rule of Law for the underlings. Get off scotch free for the powerful.

[kentuck]

37. And look at the thanks he gets...

??

[liberation]

78. Some Dems sometimes seem to behave more like abused espouses seeking desperatedly approval...

... from their abusers, or like paid for punching bags.

Either way, not good. Borderline sad, really.



This admin keeps helping the GOP, only to get spit in the face. And yet it is always the left's fault for pointing that out. Add the whole wikileaks fiasco, and a clear pattern of shooting the messenger regardless of situation emerges. Ugh.

[CoffeeCat]

94. That's the role they want us to believe...

...that they are playing--oh those poor, helpless, nice Democrats. They get
steamrolled by the big, bad Republicans once again!

The truth is, they are all involved in the lies and conspiracy. We want to somehow
delude ourselves into believing that there is a good guy in all of this--and we
manufacture the weak, victimized Democrat as that good guy.

There is no good guy. ANY DUer would be screaming from the rafters on the Senate floor,
if we were there. There is no one screaming from the rafters. They're all in on it.

[crikkett]

134. LOL

:rofl:

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[Octafish]

43. A pattern has emerged.

And it ain't something worth repeating.

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[Canuckistanian]

50. Any doubts or confusion NOW?

Obama isn't serious about defending Constitutional rights. He's at the same exact level as Bush.

And this time, ignorance of the law is no excuse. Obama TAUGHT Constitutional Law.

I'm done.

[Luminous Animal]

51. 2/3rds of this thread has disappeared. Granted some was simple tit for tat but

there was a lot of good info in response now gone.

[EarlG]

52. Clearly this is a topic that needs to be discussed

But the personal attacks going on between members need to stop now.

[Canuckistanian]

53. Right. Now is not the time for infighting

Lock these threads if they get out of hand. We need a pronouncement from the Admins.

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[Bluebear]

55. 'Lock these threads if they get out of hand.' Oh? What is "out of hand"

Shouldn't individual rulebreakers be dealt with instead of shutting down a whole discussion?

[Canuckistanian]

61. "Whole discussions" are shut down all the time

Ever notice all those "padlock" icons?

[liberation]

80. ... but that is not the question you were asked, was it?

[Canuckistanian]

149. There are sometimes threads that need to be locked

For instance when they degrade into namecalling sessions or engage in distasteful discussions that don't even merit a thread of their own - like sex threads.

This one had the potential to evoke inadvertent anger that would be unfocused, and possibly destructive.

I'm glad it didn't.

[tavalon]

86. Rules changed recently

One of the hoped for effects was less locked threads due to hijacking.

[tavalon]

87. Rules changed recently

One of the hoped for effects was less locked threads due to hijacking.

[Subdivisions]

59. Do we have permission to respond to you freely here in this thread? n/t

[liberation]

83. It depends...

... have you submitted three copies of the long form request to the discussion approval committee? Do you have your papers in order?

[displacedvermoter]

119. Lots of "poutrage" going on, and it also needs to stop now!!!

And whining, too!

[Lorien]

127. Pouting and whining about torture and war crimes?

Hmmm, pray tell what do you get outraged over?

[fascisthunter]

138. no, caring isn't a sign of strength but a sign of being damaged

most humans are disgusted with torture and have a conscience.

[TeaBagsAreForCups]

56. k/r

[Rex]

58. GWB left fires burning all over the world.

I have very little shock in me over this news, knew it would happen and atrocities committed by the 'USA' better off dropped would be. Can't stop our insane streak of 'always right' now can we?

[GoCubsGo]

98. He and his family also left dead bodies all over the world.

And, I'm not referring to the ones in Iraq and Afghanistan. Does the name Steve Kangas ring a bell?

[Subdivisions]

60. Welp! This thread's been shot dead. n/t

[Imagevision]

64. J.P Morgan said it the best

"By dividing the people we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us except as teachers of the common herd." JP Morgan...

[Solly Mack]

65. K&R

[TeaBagsAreForCups]

66. Kicked

[myrna minx]

67. So my ulcer grows larger.

:puke:

[axollot]

68. Whoops! I just posted this too.

This shite has really infuriated me. What political capital did Obama gain from doing this? NOT A DAMN THING!

:grr:

Cheers
Sandy

[meow mix]

69. Commander of Coverup

they coudlnt have done it without him..

[raouldukelives]

73. K&R

[Blue Owl]

74. Well that helps explain why he's so interested in helping the fucking Republicans lately

What a disappointment.

:mad:

[FlyByNight]

75. Accountability is for everyone else...

...and not for former presidents and their staff. Appalling.

:puke:

[Poboy]

88. recommend

[MissDeeds]

90. K&R

[proReality]

91. That's definitely the last straw for me! n/t

[katty]

92. this info is on Democracy Now and Uprising as well

[laughingliberal]

93. Well, he said he was looking forward and...and...we're focusing on the future...and...

he's looking for common ground with the GOP.

He's doing what he said he would!!!!

Mother Jones never really loved him.

[flyarm]

95. Do we get our Pony now??????? or a new chess game ????????

been waiting so longgggggggg for that great American Chess game..my board is dusty and moldy waiting..

[Octafish]

148. While my powder's still dry, it's gone rancid.

It's like almost everything Uncle Sam's touched since Pruneface came to town.

[and-justice-for-all]

96. A hungry person steals something to eat and spends months in

jail, and yet shrubCo can kill people with no justification and occupy a sovereign nation for no reason as well as torture people, all of which are CRIMES and he gets NOTHING!! The US is severally fucked up and ass backwards.

I do believe I have lost hope with President Obama....Can we get a REAL progressive president next time, thanx!

[humbled_opinion]

97. People that want accountability have been told

Sit down and shut up, democrats, repubs whats the difference?

[Curtis]

99. I'm not a conspriacy nut and don't want to think this way

but is this possible? There's a lot of talk of shadow governments and such and there has been for many, many years. So, let's say it's true be they really shadowy figures or just corporate bosses. So, they have Bush in place. There's some things that Bush authorizes (torture and such) after polls show the country was united after 9-11 (80-90 percent is as good as it gets). The left/progressives blow a gasket. We start off with protests and they power brokers say we expected that. However, quickly public opinion and the left go further and further bringing torture to the forefront of the discussion and they begin to lose the support of the majority.

The power brokers look around and find a likable and tough talking politician from Chicago. He's left of center (at least in today's presidential political climate) and to top it off he's black. The left goes nuts for him. All the while those in power work with him and let him know what his job will be once he's elected. He will (for the sake of brevity) do exactly what he's done to the criminals from the Bush regime (nothing).

Why would those in power do this? Well, to make it more palatable to the majority of Americans. Sure they'll still lose the "looney" left, but if Obama says it's okay most Americans will begin to ignore it (especially with a tanked economy thrown into the mix), and those in power can continue along their way.

Bottom line for me. I'm beginning to think we were duped. We weren't duped so much by Obama and the Democrats. We were duped by the real power brokers in America. They've co-opted our government and country. Those who should be in charge are just window dressing. The fighting between Reps and Dems is all engineered to make us ignore the real problems so those in power can continue along their way to making money and securing a place for THEIR children. All the while they throw us a bone every so often (like suck ass health care "reform").

Anyway, like I said. I'm not into conspiracies, but this makes more sense than Obama turning out the way he has because of a personality disorder.

[Poboy]

120. "I'm not into conspiracies, but this makes more sense "

Conspiracies exist wheter we are 'into them' or not. And if you mean you do not believe what you are being told, and have evidence to support a counter theory/explaination, there is nothing but the truth that you seek.

[Uncle Joe]

102. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Segami.

[democrank]

103. I honestly want to throw up.

[florida08]

109. the surprise is that I actually believed he would be different

Not only has he superseded our laws but pressuring other countries to do likewise. Expect it from GOP leadership but not a democratic one. When Issa begins investigations next year there it will be the end of this administration and his cronies. Could destroy the democrats altogether.

[asdjrocky]

110. It's vital at this point that we understand there are two distinct and different teams-

THEM and US. We are not and will never be THEM and they have no interest what-so-ever in being US.

[floriduck]

113. There is a reason Howard Dean

never got an administration position after guiding the Dems to victories in 2006 and 2008. Howard is a real Democrat. That just doesn't mix with the person in the white house today.

[davidwparker]

144. +1

[earth mom]

114. Congress & Obama have REFUSED to Impeach Bush. How can anyone be surprised now?

It's a big club and WE are not in it. We just fund it with OUR tax dollars! :grr:

[slay]

116. I'm not surprised it's just now we know way more of the details - proof even

and you are 100% correct - It's a big club and we are NOT in it. Neither are most of the people who vote republican either. It's fucked up.

[rko_24550]

115. what a disappointment

[Vinca]

118. I literally became nauseated when I read this story.

I don't know what to believe anymore, but I sure as hell won't be believing any more politicians . . . no matter how charming they are.

[LynneSin]

121. Why is it when we post about it we drop the word "Administration" from the title

just curious?

[Hubert Flottz]

122. Zellout!

[hulka38]

123. That the Obama administration came to kill the torture probe

this strongly is further proof that the case would result in convictions if it were allowed to go forward.

[sarcasmo]

125. More and more like a Dino every day and it will only get worse the next two years.

[yurbud]

129. the rich let Obama in because they knew his name was Kenyan for Omerta

[thanks_imjustlurking]

130. They take care of their own. nt

[crikkett]

133. bi-partisanship!!!!!

:party: :party:

[fascisthunter]

136. Lets face it... he's not just Protecting Bush

I'm pretty damn sure many on our side of the aisle were ok with what that sicko did. I could be wrong, but by his actions, he condones what has been done. Wonder how he will explain this to his daughters one day.

[blueknight]

139. why in the hell

do we have so many deleted post? jesus christ, its not like these are children reading this.

[fascisthunter]

152. could be personal attacks against Duers

I really don't know.

[furgee]

140. The Pukes what to impeach Obama

I am all for an investigation now if it leads to the cover up of crimes that Bush and company did. Let them all go down in flames.

[davidwparker]

145. Amen. Amen. Amen.

[Steely_Dan]

142. Words Fail Me...

I just shake my head.

[WinkyDink]

143. And the "bi-partisan" joke is ON OBAMA. He hitched a ride on the Republican crocodile.

[TeaBagsAreForCups]

155. But, it's our country and...

... in no small measure, our world, that is literally being eaten alive as a result of the gutless, impotent, and strategic incompetency of a "progressive" President and his "team" that I woefully regret ever spending, prior to his inauguration, two years of my life working, supporting, and providing funds for his nomination and subsequent election.

Disgusting. Just disgusting.

[Owl]

146. Kick.

[pleah]

147. K&R :( n/t

[Octafish]

150. Smoking Gun

"Those efforts apparently paid off, and, as this WikiLeaks-released cable shows, Gonzales, Haynes, Feith, Bybee, Addington, and Yoo owed Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton thank-you notes."

http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/12/wikileaks-cable-obama-quashed-torture-investigation

Bush and Cheney, too.

[TeaBagsAreForCups]

151. Very tragic, indeed, but...

...not unexpected.

[Poboy]

153. .