In light of the news that Obama helped protect the GOP over torture..

[axollot]

...
We need to do what other countries have done - peaceful revolution. Next presidential election maybe EVERYONE should sit down. NOT STAY HOME. Sit - in the streets, in DC everywhere.
Bring this rigged gig to a HALT.

Feeling very disillusioned, have never NOT voted, but terribly upset atm.

Cheers
Sandy

[mike_c]

1. I hear you....

Don't know how likely that disillusionment will translate into concerted action-- NOTHING seems to unite Americans any longer-- but I certainly share it.

[axollot]

3. Agree with you - seems an impossible task. I do not share the

conspiracy theories the RW have over Obama, I am just sick to death of him bending over backwards to do their bidding. This has Rove/Cheney's stink all over it. Rigged. At this rate, WTF would be the point of supporting another Presidential run? For more of the same or the tiny crumbs thrown our way?
I'll vote for local issues, that's one of the most important points of voting, but for a Pres? Not until the entire Congress is cleaned (not in the RW way) the money tables thrown over so to speak. Election laws changed and the $$ taken out of DC. The end of Corporate Personhood too!
But that wont happen.
So what do we do?

Cheers
sandy

[axollot]

2. ty for recs - need some kicks! n/t

[librechik]

4. This has been clear since Feb 2009.

I've been trying to pretend there was still a chance that REASON would prevail. Sadly, no.

[axollot]

5. You and I both. Reason. The coup happened in 2000 and we are

still under that regime. Not that the problems in the US didnt start long before 2000. 9/11 - 9 months after Bush was appointed distracted everyone from what really happened and changed this country's conversation but the fact is this government was fully infiltrated by then.
Frack me - I sound like a conspiracy nut yet....it's all out for everyone to see.

Cheers thanks for posting.
Sandy

[librechik]

7. yes--some scoff saying you couldn't hide a secret that big. They don't hide it.

Everybody knows, they are just afraid to speak of it, due to the ostracism which blasts at anyone who doesn't conform to The Official Story. And you can make it work if you have all the powers of government but none of the responsibilities. Thanks for being one of us "crazies"

[axollot]

9. Been on DU for a long time. Lurk more than post lol. May hit 1000 today tho!

Thanks! Proud to be a crazy if it means being for democracy.

Cheers
Sandy

[ladjf]

12. Good post. nt

[obxhead]

6. It wouldn't be difficult to shut down the country

provided you had enough dedicated people to do a sit in.

Just imagine if you had many groups of 1000 to 5000 and decided to do the sit in on every interstate highway in every state. Transportation and commerce would be gridlocked.

Non violent and very effective. Hit 'em where it hurts, the wallet.

[Countdown_3_2_1]

8. You saw how Brittain handled the students...

You know how every protest is infiltrated by the government. They'll know what we are doing and when.

Protests are increasingly met with violence. If you want to hit the corporations in the wallet, they will have a financial incentive to stop you as quickly as they can.

The days of peaceful protest are over. civil disobedience is no longer tolerated. It costs our masters money.

[Luminous Animal]

10. They handle peaceful protests just like they always have. Yet people did it anyway despite

being blasted with fire hoses, tear gasssed, beaten, shot, and jailed.

[axollot]

11. Yes. I would still sit - let my blood run for real democracy. Dont

want it to go that way but it may end up that way. That's why the push for so much private military/police etc. To do the bidding of our masters.

Cheers
Sandy

[axollot]

13. I like your thinking. This is what I meant. Full walk-out/disruption -

- but as mentioned - prepared to be shot at, gassed etc all by Blackwater/Xe trained employees.

I think I'm going to puke.

Cheers
Sandy
:cry:

[obxhead]

14. Yes, by non violent I meant from our side.

The Government would likely be quite violent over it.

[axollot]

15. There-in lies the crux of the problem does it not? Why should we allow that?

Why is government insurrection against it's citizens condoned by anyone in this country (let alone world wide)? I know apathy is rampant but come on!!

We get more excited for a football game! Do I have to run through the street topless carrying signs to get attention? REALLY?! (not sure how far I'd get before being gassed and or tazed but...)

Cheers
Sandy

[obxhead]

17. I suggest fully undressed

It will make the insanity defense go a little smoother I think.

[axollot]

18. dupe

[axollot]

19. Naw was hoping to start a trend across the nation. All progressive women do it

young, old, skinny or fat to get the attention of the rest of America. Sex gets attention. Tatas make the news.

Cheers
Sandy

[obxhead]

24. Yes they do, rightfully so.

;)

[Ghost Dog]

27. You need to do your own media coverage also.

Revolutionary cameras. Revolutionary TV.

Occupy the transmitters, the satellites, the cable relays and broadcast from there.

[defendandprotect]

23. There are many ways to interact together when we are united .....

which are spontaneous and effective --

like "lights out" at given times --

and extend that thinking onto all the ways that consumers can react --

cars can be taken off the road at a given signal -- for 15 or 20 minutes at a time --

and other actions like that --

[Ganja Ninja]

16. When you finally see people take it to the streets that's when the ..

rise of the right will end and we'll start to swing back to the left. It might even happen before 2012.

[axollot]

21. It's interesting to note how many old time DU'ers have posted on this thread. Thanks! n/t

[defendandprotect]

20. We need more discussions of what to do .... good start !!

AFTER we all understand what is going on and discuss it --

the conversations have to ALWAYS return to ... "what are we going to do about it?"

:)

[axollot]

22. Yes they do. How do we fix it? What do we do? I'm sick of feeling

a little hopeless and hate the world we are handing down. So where to start? Everything being brought to the harsh light of day is a good thing. It's the only way we can actually change things.

Great seeing you! Hit my 1000 today after 7yrs haha!

Cheers
Sandy

[defendandprotect]

28. Hi -- just caught your reply ....

Guess we have to start discussing "where to start?" ... :)

Where I am at the moment is thinking we need a really liberal Democrat to run

for office in 2012 --

someone like Grayson -- and hey, don't we all consider Sen. Bernie Sanders an honorary Dem?

He's a better Dem than many!!

I'm amazed that no liberal Dem has stepped up yet to challenge Obama --

Thom Hartmann today asked: "Should Obama announce that he will stand down in 2012?"


Question is can we save this Democratic Party -- ???

One sure thing, we need to toss out all of Obama's administration with him!!

[axollot]

31. Well he still has a lot of the OLD administration in with him -

he didnt clean house nearly as much as previous presidents and I was always questioning this part of his administration. If he wanted change - we'd have seen a new EVERYTHING.

So one wonders (notice how grey and sullen he looks?) did he get elected and then talked to? It wouldnt surprise me a bit to know that our government, as infiltrated by Cheney and the Bushes all these years (since Nixon) made sure there would be no change.

Cheers
Sandy

[defendandprotect]

32. I'm sure you're right, tho I'm not up to date on DOJ info ....

there is that old tradition where they invite the AGs to stay -- and pretty much

all of Bush's did -- and then the complication where Senate wasn't moving Obama

appointees out for a vote.

But even with Holder in charge, can't believe they did nothing for former Gov.

Don Siegelmann!! That affair should be a huge threat to all Democrdats -- a huge

threat to all Americans. And another instance which points to the many questions

surrounding our elections/computers.

Also -- remember when Newt took over -- they even changed the non-elected office

workers in the USHR and Senate!! People who had been there for ages.


So one wonders (notice how grey and sullen he looks?) did he get elected and then talked to? It wouldnt surprise me a bit to know that our government, as infiltrated by Cheney and the Bushes all these years (since Nixon) made sure there would be no change.

People are talking about that but I haven't seen a pic of him to judge --

He's in Afghanistan, I think/?

Even worse, there's some evidence that Kissinger is still dictating foreign policy?

Also -- there's some info on the internet that Obama's family -- Mom, Dad -- step-Dad

had CIA connections -- possibly his Mom's dad, as well.

????


:)

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. Two things

1. Putting faith in political leaders only is always ill advised

2.- Time for people to realize that we need MOVEMENT politics.

That said what you are seeing is IMPERIAL BEHAVIOR. so anybody who tells you we are not... snicker at them please.

Oh and finally, the US is like any other country. Exceptionalism should start to die. On the bright side we are near the end of this Empire, as it is now consuming the core. All empires do this. Conceivably even before 2012, and I think the CURRENT constitutional Crisis will lead to it.

[axollot]

26. Funny you should mention empire - my fb page have discussed how

much of an Empire we are with international friends. Even some that lean more right in Europe which is left of our left politicians. I do not put all faith in a political leader but like many else here worked my bum off to get this one ELECTED. OK so we all were fooled. Many backed Obama that traditionally would not have (write ins/greens etc) so I'm not alone.
We expect more from a Democrat, just his campaign promises at the very least would have been a-ok with me. Not a total switcheroo! We elected Obama and got a Republican that's an excellent speaker!

Cheers
SAndy

[BzaDem]

29. You do realize that only 25% of America believes that torture is never justified?

And a MUCH smaller percentage than 25% believe Bush should be prosecuted?

How exactly are you going to have a peaceful revolution with such a tiny portion of the population? I'm not saying that torture is ever justified (of course it isn't) -- I'm just asking you how you can create any kind of movement at all (let alone a "peaceful revolution") when so few people believe it is never justified?

[TheKentuckian]

30. I favor taking no tactics off the table. Passive Resistance is not a realistic tool against this

enemy.

They must be made to fear.