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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:22 PM
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So we're all supposed to suck it in and share the pain of the deficit. Right?
We are supposed to sacrifice. We have been called "greedy" by a crotchety former Senator who has his. We have been called greedy after being snookered and cheated and lied to by every institution from the Presidency to the legislatures to the bank and the press and now we're told that we need to suck it in and STFU.

Now, I'm willing to do my FAIR SHARE. I have yet to hear from these assholes exactly in what manner the clowns at the top....you know, the ones who are sitting on the trillions they outright stole from the public at large, are supposed to participate in this human sacrifice. What are they going to do to help out? Create jobs?? Give some of it back? Allow legislation through which would eliminate their cheats? Sell back a few judges and legislators to the citizenry? Step forward and serve time with common thieves as justice would demand in an ideal world????

Where can we ask these questions? Our congresspeople and senators only talks to those who bought them. What is being demanded of the middle class and poor is that we adopt a life still last seen in the depression. While the rich shamelessly party on with their illgotten gain, bread lines and soup kitchens will not even be permitted.

I want to hear where is this shared sacrifice of which you speak, you old goat. Mr. Simpson, where is it?
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:26 PM
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1. Only if you depend on government services for anything
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:33 PM
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3. That's everybody, right?
Who does not depend on government services? Any idea?
And why do I not expect a reply?
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:27 PM
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2. Mr. Simpson
Also needs to explain why keeping welfare for the rich in the guise of tax breaks is going to help create jobs.

By his logic - the Teap logic - Since they've had that welfare for about 10 years now - why aren't we at 100% employment?
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:50 PM
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4. The issue is not that the laws were broken, but that they were inadequate.
I think that you are wrong to talk about "stealing". The main sources of America's income inequality and the current financial crisis were not that laws were broken, but that laws that would have prevented it are not in place in the first place.

What is needed is better financial regulation, not criminal trials.
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:22 PM
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6. Murder could be legal too if special interests wanted it to be so.
Just because what they did was 'legal' doesn't make it ethical, moral or right. Business buys off political prostitutes to make anything they want 'legal'. I agree with the OP. Although not 'technically' illegal, what they did was stealing nevertheless. 

The thugs on Wall Street are no differnt than the criminals who are behind bars. But white collar criminals use a different way to steal from others. Those in prison used guns and knives. The white collared criminals use government whores to write laws legalizing their crimes. Same people, same crimes, same victims, but the white collared criminals escape ALL punishment because they had the money to make their crimes legal before they committed their crimes.  

I agree. We need more regulations. But we also need more prosecutions and SEVERE punishments especially for white collared criminals. Anyone involved in the theft of over $250 k should be given a minimum of 20 years in prison, without parole. And when they get out they shouldn't be able to go to their secret vaults and offshore accounts to become millionaires again. Crime pays for the rich. 

Something I posted in another forum:

White collar criminals & justice

What is wrong with our system of 'justice' is the complete lack of punishment for 99.9% of white collar criminals who get away with their crimes. The more you steal, the less your punishment will be. We need to change our laws for white collar criminals. 

We need to apply the same forfeiture laws that drug dealers are subjected to include white collar criminals too. If someone steals more than $100,000-$250,000 all of their possessions should be seized, ALL of them. Take their homes, their expensive cars, their bank accounts, everything. And if these criminals somehow become rich again, all of that money should be seized too. I'm sick of people stealing millions only to pay a token fine and maybe a couple of months in prison, only to get the millions they stole out of offshore accounts as soon as they get out of prison. 

Neil Bush was one of 7 defendants who stole ONE BILLION dollars at the Silverado Savings and Loan and he only had to pay a paltry $50,000 fine. Anyone with a criminal mind would spend $50,000 for part of a billion dollar heist. 

I have a great deal of sympathy for the victims of these predators, but zero for people like Sanford, Bush, Madoff and all of the Wall Street thugs who destroyed millions of people's lives. They are doing more than just stealing. They are destroying people's lives. They are killing people. I frankly don't know why so many people are so protective of these evil people. 

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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:56 PM
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5. Everyone has to suffer except the uber rich and the MIC.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:34 PM
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7. K & enthusiastic R! - n/t
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Rectangle Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:40 PM
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8. Uh...No! Not the top 2%! Just the Middle class , the poor and the working poor, n/t
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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:11 PM
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9. Bleed the poor,
what vampires-they are the parasites, it is they who are sucking the life out of this country. This country has to break out of our hypnotic state, snap out of it and stand up for what is ours.
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