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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:34 PM
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MSNBC just reporting that Dems had successful procedural vote for tax cuts for the middle class...
Boehner said that what happened was "chicken crap."
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:35 PM
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1. Obama should respond in kind.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:37 PM
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5. Obama isn't a member of Congress and does not vote
Weird of you to call upon him.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:51 PM
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9. What part of bully pulpit do you not understand?
Weird of you to discount it.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:07 PM
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16. THIS is a Bully Pulpit!

Any questions?
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:56 PM
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25. That's funny. The term 'Bully Pulpit' comes from the other
Roosevelt. Teddy. And he did not have that sort of a sweep into office. It is the Presidency itself that is the Bully Pulpit, not the electoral map that places one there. Win by a hair, you hold the Bully Pulpit. That is just how it is.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:14 PM
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28. Understood!
Edited on Thu Dec-02-10 02:24 PM by pnorman
But it's not an inexhaustible asset, and needs to be used with some discretion to be of any use.

Winning by a shut-out or a hair's breadth, tells a WISE President just how much "political capital" he has at his disposal. And to be "overdrawn" in that department, would make that Pulpit a TOXIC Pulpit!
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:35 PM
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2. And Boehner ought to know about both chicken and crap.
Why is the Orangeman mad? Did Nancy one-up him again?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:36 PM
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3. Yes
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:37 PM
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4. They showed a video clip of him saying this and he was
sputtering. Guess it interrupted his measuring of the drapes in Nancy's office.
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WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:49 PM
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6. Wouldnt that be DUCK crap? Hope the dems fed the goose, more to come.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:50 PM
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7. VERY clever move on Pelosi's part!!! Rethugs got outsmarted.
More at DKos:

And thus, we're getting a vote in the House on extending current tax rates for all but the top two percent. The tricky rule that allowed for this has passed, and with another procedural vote on the debate rules, the House is off to the races on doing the right thing with this vote. It'd be the simplest thing in the world for the Senate to take this bill, offer it on the floor, and dare Republicans to vote against it. Presuming that it passes the House, of course. Stay tuned.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/12/2/924881/-The-House-gets-clever-on-tax-cuts-debate


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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:52 PM
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10. Perhaps president Obama is standing to the side to let Nancy be the
Edited on Thu Dec-02-10 12:53 PM by WCGreen
bad cop in this deal...

If that is the case and this goes through, I will take back a lot of what I said about him playing regular chess while we thought he was playing star trek chess...

K&R
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:02 PM
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15. I do think there's some good cop/bad cop that goes on between
Nancy and Obama--her seat is safe, she can be outright progressive while he stays near the middle. Harry Reid is in a tougher position because he's from Nevada (and we all watched him barely squeak through this time).
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:10 PM
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17. This isn't chess, IMO. This is the House going their own way.
If the bill makes it out of the Senate (where Republicants are threatening to filibuster, as usual), we can at least rest assured the President will sign the bill.

Other than that, I don't think Obama deserves much credit.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:46 PM
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22. We he is standing off to the side to let her do her thing....
Some bad cop good cop stuff is probably not out of the question...

Although, in the end, I think you are right.

But then again, there is a maneuver to vote on certain financial bills at a 51 majority in the Senate.

If that is in place, then I will really take back a lot of what I said about the democratic leadership...
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:51 PM
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8. K & R nt
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:57 PM
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11. Well, Boehner knows his chicken crap, being made of it.
But I think he's projecting on this one. ;-)
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:59 PM
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14. You beat me to it.
K & R.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:58 PM
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12. Boehner would know chicken crap.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:58 PM
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13. the House voted to move on to debate of a tax cut measure to individuals making less than $250,000
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/131671-tongue-in-cheek-boehner-refers-to-dems-tax-cut-vote-as-chicken-crap

Moments earlier the House voted to move on to general debate of a tax cut measure that would extend current rates, set to expire at the end of the month, to individuals making less than $250,000. A vote on the final bill will take place later Thursday afternoon.

On Wednesday, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) announced that the House would vote on permanently extending the tax cuts, enacted in 2001 and 2003, for American families earning as much as $250,000 a year. But that would not address the income tax rates for the highest earners, which includes a number of small businesses.

Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.), however, said that the bill would be dead on arrival in the Senate.

"Forty-two Republican senators, which is all of us and an indeterminate number, significant number of Democrats, don't think we ought to raise taxes on anybody. So regardless of what the majority forces House Republicans to do, it's not going to go anywhere. We're going to extend the current tax rates, we're not going to raise taxes on anybody. The only thing we're discussing right now is how long that extension will be," the top-ranking GOP Senator said Wednesday night following a meeting with newly-elected GOP governors.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:26 PM
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29. "a number of small businesses" crap again. nt
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:19 PM
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18. It takes a shithead to recognize chickencrap.
:)
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:31 PM
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19. They should use Boehner's statement in 2012 political ads.
Thanks for the thread, Skidmore.
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:43 PM
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20. K&R
:rofl:
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:44 PM
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21. Was there any doubt the House would vote this out?
The House has been very good over the last couple of years. They have passed hundreds of very good bills only to have them die in the Senate because Republicans have had a permanent filibuster going on since 2007 when they became the minority...
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:50 PM
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23. I read that this was nothing more than a political maneuver to placate
us, even though it has no chance of passing the senate.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101202/ap_on_bi_ge/us_tax_cuts
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:07 PM
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27. Rather have the House pass progressive legislation and force Senate repubs to kill it, than
for the House to just give up and let Senate repubs win without a paying a political price.

Would it be better if the House didn't bother to pass continued tax cuts for the middle and working class and reinstating higher taxes for the wealthy? We'll see if Reid and Obama make the repubs make fools of themselves, but the House will have done its job.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:51 PM
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24. Is it possible that this might get the senate to act if the House comes through...
I mean they've gotten other bills through only to have the Senate do nothing, but hope springs eternal!
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:00 PM
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26. No chance according to Mitch.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/131671-tongue-in-cheek-boehner-refers-to-dems-tax-cut-vote-as-chicken-crap

Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.), however, said that the bill would be dead on arrival in the Senate.

"Forty-two Republican senators, which is all of us and an indeterminate number, significant number of Democrats, don't think we ought to raise taxes on anybody. So regardless of what the majority forces House Republicans to do, it's not going to go anywhere. We're going to extend the current tax rates, we're not going to raise taxes on anybody. The only thing we're discussing right now is how long that extension will be," the top-ranking GOP Senator said Wednesday night following a meeting with newly-elected GOP governors.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 03:38 PM
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30. then pass the bill through "reconciliation", requiring a 51 vote majority
Were not the bush tax cuts passed through reconciliation in the last decade?
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katnapped Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 03:40 PM
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31. Boner can go fuck himself
No, actually he and McConnell can do it to each other.

(free brain bleach available at the door for those that need it)
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