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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:58 PM
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Latest deficit commission report will do great harm to those on Social Security. 20% cut.
R. J. Eskow of the Campaign for America's Future gives some of the reasons that the new proposals which are supposedly so great are no better, and in some instances worse, than the original ones leaked by Simpson and Bowles.

10 Reasons the Deficit Commission Proposal is Still Unconscionable and Unacceptable

The co-chairs of the Presidential Deficit Commission released the final draft of their report today, and it's now scheduled for a Friday vote by members of the Commission. We're being told that it's a fairer and more reasonable document than its predecessor. It's nothing of the kind. In many ways this document is worse than the draft that preceded it, and those much-lauded "compromises" evaporate in the cold light of reality. This new draft is lipstick on a piggy-bank robber, a package of cosmetic changes meant to disguise its true purpose: To raid the future financial security of most Americans in order to benefit a few.


Here is more about the Social Security proposal. It's shameful to do this while the rich will be getting richer.

4. The elderly will face harsh benefit cuts.

The average Social Security retirement benefit today is $1100, and even less for women ($920). Under this proposal a median earner, someone earning $43,000 in today's dollars, would face a 20% (19.1%) benefit cut. It looks, therefore, as if the average benefit would eventually drop to $889 overall, with women receiving an average of $744. These cuts are offset somewhat for lower-income workers but, as we'll see, those offsets aren't what they seem to be.


Working longer to get less. I guess that will serve the elderly right for being in Simpson's words..."the greediest generation."

5. Most of us will still work longer for less.

You won't just receive less in benefits. You'll work longer to get it, since they're raising the retirement age.

We're told that there will be exceptions for people who would face hardship if forced to work longer. That's a nice thought, given all the benefit-slashing going on. But that decision is kicked down the road and assigned to Social Security Administration staff. The cuts are fixed, but the exemptions are left vague and deferred to people who aren't trained in that kind of analysis.

Their definition of "hardship" is narrow, too, and it excludes hardships like discrimination. The net effect of this proposal is to ensure a longer work life for most people while making jobs harder to get. The only small mitigating factor they promise is delayed to a future date and left vague.


One other problem among the ten Eskow lists caught my eye.

3. It will result in millions of lost jobs.

As the Economic Policy Institute has demonstrated, this proposal will cost the nation 4 million lost jobs and damage our economic growth. This new draft demands even deeper discretionary spending cuts, enacted even sooner, so the loss of jobs is likely to be even greater.


That's why Mary Kay Henry, President of the SEIU, said ""This proposal is a jobs killer at a time when our number one priority must be putting America back to work." It's why AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka said that "this whole discussion reeks of hypocrisy. The faux deficit hawks on the commission - and Senators who claim unemployment insurance must be paid for -- have no problem clamoring for more unpaid Bush tax cuts for millionaires. We need to focus now on the jobs deficit."


Last night the pathetic Alan Simpson said on NBC that we need to "sober up or sleep in the streets."

That pretty much sounds like that might be a reality in our country's future.

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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:11 PM
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1. Another Obama stumble. How in god's name did he ever think these
two would have the American people in mind when "cutting" spending? It boggles the mind. He was in the senate long enough to know these two thugs. I cannot think of worse people to appoint to this panel....
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:16 PM
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3. Because there has to be debt/deficit reduction, and he's letting them be the bad cops.
So when his much more reasonable proposal comes through, he gets to be the good cop.

If he really wanted what these two had in mind, he'd have given the panel some semblance of power, which he did not.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:26 PM
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5. We'll we're waiting
When do you think the good cop will reveal his more reasonable proposal? After the new congress gets sworn in, and there would no way in hell that it would even get to the floor of the House?
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:46 PM
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12. Well, this proposal is just now being finalized.
So it's going to have to be that way, isn't it?
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:31 PM
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10. Thank you...A little chess going on here, maybe?....n/t
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 06:43 PM
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22. The "chess" seems to have turned into Russian Roulette -
when we're setting up the "death panels" I vote for Simpson to be our first test case.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:28 PM
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25. checkers..that is all. The repukes are playing chess. The administration is still playing checkers.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:30 PM
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26. Why wasn't this little game started months BEFORE the midterms.
No matter what happens now, the repukes still take over the House in January...
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:05 PM
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14. Making sure the triangulation will be with an extreme far right point
rather than something more moderate, thus shifting the field further right than it already is.

Quite despicable if you think about it.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 06:53 PM
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23. I seriously doubt he chose them based on their compassion. He chose those
Edited on Thu Dec-02-10 06:54 PM by NorthCarolina
who would work to enact the policy changes he sought. It escapes me how some apparently think Obama had no idea of the mindset of those he chose to head the Debt. Commission. Of course he knew, and he chose those that would represent his personal interests and values.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 11:46 AM
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28. I honestly did not believe he would choose anyone so scornful of seniors.
I really didn't.
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RickFromMN Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:13 PM
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2. Were the elderly and wealthy key to Republican victories in 2010?
Edited on Thu Dec-02-10 01:14 PM by RickFromMN
I read that somewhere...
http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/11/22/2652231/elderly-and-wealthy-key-to-gop.html

But I am confused...I know the deficit commission proposal does bag things to the future elderly.
I know they will retire later. Will they get fewer benefits? Will benefits be means-tested?

What exactly does the deficit commission proposal do the current elderly?
How do they get screwed? Do they get off "scot-free" because they already have their Social Security?
Won't the deficit commission proposal still "fix" their Medicare?

I wish...I wish...we had tried the "Medicare For All" route for Health Care Reform.
Put everyone in the same boat so the Republicans can't divide us and play us against each other.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 05:11 PM
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17. We should have gone with Medicare for all 55 and up...for starters at least.
Instead they made a deal with insurance.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:17 PM
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4. There goes our home.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:28 PM
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7. ..and many thousands more, living on the edge.
I'm sorry. but for the grace of God go I.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:26 PM
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6. Has any one of our brilliant journalists demanded to know from that
Edited on Thu Dec-02-10 01:27 PM by sabrina 1
idiot, Simpson, why SS is part of this discussion about the deficit?

SS had NOTHING to do with the deficit, NOTHING.

If Obama does not come out TODAY and slap down this moronic fool for his attacks on the American people, I am leaning towards asking him to please step down, get out of the way, so that we can replace him with someone who actually cares about the American people.

A first step to show that concern for the people would be to disband this Commission for the Wealthy and make Congress do its job on the Deficit. That means no talk about SS unless it is to raise benefits.

I am sick to death of what is going on in this country. Electing democrats was supposed to do what, exactly?
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:29 PM
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9. seems the job is to kill off the elderly/disabled folks out there
Edited on Thu Dec-02-10 01:35 PM by CountAllVotes
IMO. They are doing a good job so far - placing all of this stress on folks trying to live on a pittance already and now they must fear that that same pittance will shrink to almost nothing. HOW FUCKING SICK CAN THEY GET?

That's right boys, let's toss another 500 billion to those wars without end and build another 700 zillion $ complex somewhere!

OIL FIRST PEOPLE LAST!

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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:33 PM
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11. I've become convinced of that.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 02:12 PM
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15. it seems like it was just a big facade
Edited on Thu Dec-02-10 02:12 PM by dana_b
feel good slogans and someone to whom we could relate. What a miserable lie.

Our letters, faxes, phone calls are going to go unheeded but I will still do it. After that the only thing we can do is get in the streets. These people are sick in the head.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:28 PM
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8. women receiving an average of $744
Gee, why am I not surprised? That's right BOYS, lets make sure those damned women get nothing to live on being we have this market cornered already and we must keep it that way right?! :grr: :mad: :puke: on you Simpson, you irrelevant old freak!!



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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 01:48 PM
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13. Alan Simpson needs to sleep in the streets...
...I am dead serious. These people need a taste of their own medicine. It is utterly appalling that President Obama gave this asshat a position of influence.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 03:08 PM
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16. +1,000,000
I couldn't agree more!!!!!

:dem:
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 05:19 PM
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18. Since both my wife and I are on social security, I am not happy with this.
I thought the idea was that people I voted for were supposed to represent ME...I guess I have been wrong for all these years.

Mr. Simpson, the ones who need to "sober up" are the rich pigs such as yourself.

mark
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 05:32 PM
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19. I don't see how they are getting away with having a vote on Friday
when that is past the deadline stipulated in their bylaws and charter.


http://www.fiscalcommission.gov/bylaws
The Commission shall vote on the approval of a final report containing a set of recommendations to achieve the objectives set forth in the Charter no later than December 1, 2010. The issuance of a final report of the Commission shall require the approval of not less than 14 of the 18 members of the Commission.

http://www.fiscalcommission.gov/charter
10. Duration. Executive Order 13531 authorizes the Commission to operate until 30 days after it submits its final report. A vote on the approval of a final report is required not later than December 1, 2010.


Seems like they passed their own deadline and should just disband, with maybe a small report about not having been able to reach consensus as stipulated by their own requirements.

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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 06:15 PM
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20. Chapter Three of the report is titled "Soylent Green".
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ctwayne Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 06:20 PM
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21. This Country Has All the Money in the World
We have trillions to spend on unnecessary wars. We have trillions to spend on tax breaks for the wealthy. But the greedy billionaires who run this country want to steal a couple hundred bucks a month from grandma's SS check. And guess what? Between Barack "Mr. BiPartisan" Obama and the more conservative Congress, the heist will be pulled off.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:27 PM
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24. Things like this make me wonder just how much worse could it be if there were
Edited on Thu Dec-02-10 09:27 PM by BrklynLiberal
a repuke in the White House..
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timdog44 Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:31 AM
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27. social security
I sam another thread going on Social Security that comes from the SSA site itself, that shows that our SS monies are not even close to being in trouble as far as inflow and outflow.
The site he quotes is http://www.ssa.gov/history/tftable.html and it all has to do with SSA since 1937 and only 11 years where there was more money paid out than paid in.
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