What do you think a President Kucinich would have accomplished by now?

[apples and oranges]

If Kucinich were President, what do you think he would have accomplished by now, and how?

[bluetrain]

1. I think we really would have a space alien envoy and I say this as a Kucinich supporter.

[Radical Activist]

2. He would have made some people feel good by losing righteously.

A large segment of DU would be more satisfied with that result. Either that or we'd be hearing about what a disappointing corporatist sell-out he is because the Senate didn't pass his bills.

[MineralMan]

3. Kucinich is irrelevant. He could not be elected to the Presidency.

He's good in the House of Representatives. That's where his career will peak. He cannot be elected as President. That will never happen, so this question is moot.

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[Lochloosa]

7. Really?

New Hampshire Primary Results
Results

Democrats
22 pledged delegates, 8 unpledged
Candidate Vote % Delegates
Hillary Rodham Clinton 112,404 39.1% 9
Barack Obama 104,815 36.5 9
John Edwards 48,699 16.9 4
Bill Richardson 13,269 4.6 0
Dennis J. Kucinich 3,891 1.4 0
Joseph R. Biden Jr. 638 0.2 0
Mike Gravel 404 0.1 0
Christopher J. Dodd 205 0.1 0
Others 3,217 1.1 0

100% reporting

[LoZoccolo]

11. In b4 "he doesn't have corporate cash for his campaign". n/t

[LoZoccolo]

9. Yep. There's no reason he couldn't win the presidency because after all

he won the primary, didn't he?

[niceypoo]

12. Because the GOP says so

...and if the GOP says it's so, it must be..

[MineralMan]

25. No, the primary voters say it's so.

It is that simple. He's a great congressman, though.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

14. Or more to the point

The corporations would never allow Kiucinich to make it that far.

Recognizing the fact he would be shut down by corporations isn't a corporatist talking point its a point *about* corporations.

Maybe that is what MM meant.

[MineralMan]

24. No, that's not it at all. Kucinich has not performed well, even

in primaries in the past. I don't see any path where that would improve.

[MineralMan]

17. No, not at all. My opinion is based on his results in trying

to run for President. They have been abysmal, even in his own state. What I said is simply based on past performance.

You're trying to make it about me, it seems. I'm not running for anything.

[WCGreen]

35. He is the best City council person in Congress....

He is safe here in our cozy District 10 and the people love him because he helps people...

When ever he goes off an a "tangent", as my GOP relatives say when he gabs about liberal initiatives, they just shake their heads and say "That's my Dennis" and call his office to get the trains diverted out of the rich suburbs and into the working-class burbs where they belong...

[elocs]

39. Absolutely correct. Not only could he never be elected President,

I doubt that he could even win a statewide office in the state of Ohio to the Senate or any other statewide office there. Being a member of Congress is the highest elective office he will ever attain.

[MineralMan]

46. Being a member of Congress is a very honorable thing to be.

He appears to be very good at it.

[elocs]

47. Yes it is, but due to his views it is as high an office that DK can attain.

That is the reality of it.

[MineralMan]

54. Yup. He is ignored when he tries to expand his power.

That will not change.

[CJCRANE]

5. Koochtopia!

;)

[Octafish]

6. Would've fired Robert Gates and ended two wars.

As President, Kucinich also would've prosecuted a bunch of the traitors, warmongers and mass-murderers who lied America into them, too.

[apples and oranges]

13. How? How would he have gone about it?

[Octafish]

20. He picks up the phone and says, 'Thanks for your service. We're moving in a new direction.'

As for getting the Pentagon to do what he says, it's the president's job as commander in chief. And it's the Pentagon's job to follow his command.

Here's what Kucinich is doing about it as a liberal Democratic Congressman.

[apples and oranges]

22. Oh I see. That simple huh?

[Octafish]

44. Yes. What do you think Kucinich would've accomplished by now as President?

Simple or not, I'm interested in reading what you have to say.

[apples and oranges]

50. About the same amount he's accomplished in his

40 years of various public office jobs. A lot of talk with very little results.

[napi21]

8. Unfotunately, I doubt he would have accomplished much for the

same reason Obama couldn't do a lot of what we all wanted. Kucinich may have fought more for things like a pub. opt. or stopping the 2 wars, but by doing so he would have lost any possibility of anyPubs & most likely never wouldn't have ever even gotten all the Dems to reach the needed 60 votes on a lot of things.

[joeybee12]

10. Another hit and run OP...gonna unrec and leave it at that...nt

[apples and oranges]

16. As opposed to your dump and stay OPs?

[MuseRider]

15. He would NOT have been

a spineless sell out. He may not have been able to accomplish much of anything he would want to do (probably most assuredly he would not have in this political climate) but at least he would have stood up for the people and fought for them, not the corporations or the richest among us. THAT would have been a lot right there.

[apples and oranges]

19. He would have put on a good show

with little or no results?

[MuseRider]

29. He would have rallied the people.

He would have let them know that there were actual people in office who did have their best interests at heart.

He would have also gone after the criminals that had just left office. If nothing else they would have been exposed for the crooks and murderers they are.

Sometimes winning is not the issue, sometimes placing ideas and thoughts into the minds of the people and education is the point. Sometimes just letting people know there is some good to be found in the elected offices for them, not those who fight against them. It is a chance to move society, although too slowly for me personally, toward real liberalism not the crap that passes for it now.

There is a lot to be said for true and honest "hope" that leads to eventual "change" when it is meant sincerely and actual works are given in that direction. As a sound byte it accomplished something I never thought I would see happen in this country however it was only that, a sound byte and sadly nothing close to hope has been offered. Ask those living on the streets with their families or those who are not allowed to have legal families. Ask those who are going without so their children can be fed during their short time between jobs.

There is a lot to be said for real compassion. If it can't be met with real change now so be it but placing those ideals out in the minds of people will assure change later. We are mean, angry, irrational people now. We torture and are proud of it, we let our neighbors starve and lose their homes as long as we have ours. We drive past people who are begging for a simple hand out because we are afraid they might use it for something other than what we think they should use it for. You hear it all the time from people who claim to be liberals. Is that the place you want to live in? He could start that change, he would start that change. It might not work but it would certainly be nice to try. Nothing is ever gained by not listening or not showing compassion and working for the good of all. Now? Sucks out there, mean out there and the rest is just starving out there.

As president that might be all he could do. He tried when he ran but nobody listened or even asked him rational questions, he was even excluded from the TV screen and many photos (not all, you do not have to prove me wrong). If we were not so far gone he might be able to accomplish a lot, now all we could really hope for is a move in the other direction from where we are now and for me that would be enough.

EDIT to add: Ask those who are in or whose loved ones are in foreign nations for no good reason. I seem to leave that out anymore, it seems a given that we will now be everywhere either fighting or poking around where we need not be.

[Desertrose]

42. Can't say it any better than you just did, Muse Rider nt

[apples and oranges]

49. Sorry, but none of that is good enough for ME

I need ACTUAL results. I understand that emotions trump results for you, but not for me.

[MuseRider]

51. Bullshit and that is insulting.

Gee your ACTUAL results, if they are being met now, are nothing more than more of the same that we have been having at least since Reagan. THAT was a huge change in the values and ideas of this public. Actual emotions have nothing to do with this and I find you saying that to me shows me that you do not even begin to comprehend how societies change and grow and are more than happy to put off those things as "emotional" rather than work for lasting change. More of the good guy/bad guy, our side/their side crap that has gotten us to where we are now.

Everyone wants results, everyone but a result that has no real societal support, no actual goal based on something besides a quick fix is only going to be changed over and over ad nauseum. Yank this way, yank that way and we end up where we are, totally polarized and looking for more quick fixes.

Ya know, I am going to stop now. I find your attitude to be a large part of the problem. I really do not care one way or the other what you think of what I am saying here, I doubt you even understand it. It is all like a sports game now. It seems that is preferred by many as long as "our team the good guys" do it first.

You want actual change? Do something that helps people that they can use now, not 10 years from now and not with a caveat that they have to pay someone else yet again for the mere privilege of the tiny little crumb they were given. To do that you need vision and thoughtful education and patience. Not something I see much of these days.

[MuseRider]

55. Your use of the word me

in capital letters says a lot.

You are willing to settle for temporary tidbits for YOU when a feast could be had but you do not have to patience or the where-with -all to achieve it.

Politics is a dirty, hard business but nobody said it had to be without compassion. It takes years and insightful, caring leadership to bring these things about. "ME" has little to do with it. This is not a ball game. Your sig line says much the same as your use of "me".

If you really want change you have to work beyond the temporary quick fix and bring people around to wanting it. We have been appealing to their worst, base instincts now for so long people have forgotten that there are other ways to be.

[Desertrose]

23. Yup, what you said Muse Rider.

He would have at least fought for the people instead of the corporations.

That said, it seems pretty clear the corporations that run the US gov't would have never "allowed" him to be elected.

[MuseRider]

32. Hey DR!

Glad to see you again. I am rare here anymore but you seem to be rarer, lol. I just posted more in response. You might have something more to add to that. I am out of here for a bit so please run with it if you want. There is always more that winning, always.

[Desertrose]

40. Hey MR...

not here too often.... probably more than I should be. ;) Good to see you!! :hug:


You're right..there is more than winning....

[SoCalDem]

18. NO democrat will ever have legitimacy in office

The right wing slime machine will see to that.

After Watergate, they got their ducks in a row, and since then, no democrat has ever been "allowed" to BE president.

The media we have , has determined them to be place-holders, usurpers, and always "on their way out" or "in trouble" or "out of step"..

Until we have truly fair elections ..public financing, free air time on their own channels ( modern tvs can easily handle it), and equal time, with only their plans..not harassment of their opponents, nothing will change..except to get worse.

It also has to be coupled with paper ballots, hand counted and available for easy recounting.

Media has to be relegated to reporting the news..not manufacturing it.

[AndrewP]

33. Exactly

No Democrat will ever get a chance to set an agenda without being blocked from every angle.

Hopefully the next Democratic President will not be so into bi-partisanship.

[griffi94]

21. what do you think would have happened if

presisent obama had fought for the things candidate obama said he would fight for.

btw love the quote in your sig line...where did you get that from.

[kctim]

26. We would have also lost the Senate

and if that didn't slow him down, a nation on the brink of civil war.

[Ikonoklast]

27. He would have a stellar record of accomplishments as long as

the number of bills he got passed his many years in Congress.

[librechik]

28. I think any Democratic President is doomed--unless he quickly becomes a DINO.

that seems to be what they have to do--at least we haven't had any killed lately.

[rucky]

30. If he had a majority behind him to get him there...

he's aggressively pursue a progressive agenda.

One thing for sure, Bush/Cheney would be under investigation for war crimes.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. He would have ended the lost war in Afghanistan.

He could, and probably would, veto any bill funding the war.

[Better Believe It]

34. I don't know. But he would have fought against the right-wing and Republicans.

And I don't think he would have done Wall Street and corporate America's bidding.

That has to count for something.

[bluestateguy]

36. I think he would have worked his heart out for a single payer HCR

and failed spectacularly at it. Pelosi and Reid would have gently told him that the votes are not even close to being there.

he would have made some speeches to try and get the votes.

Pelosi and Reid would have gently told him that the votes are not even close to being there.

At that point the whole thing might have fallen apart.

Kucinich is a good man and a scrappy fighter for the working man. I like him, but he's not presidential material.

[Orsino]

37. Less, on the balance sheet.

We are too conservative a nation to have followed Dennis where we really need to go.

He might have dared to go after war crimes...or dared to let other nations do so.

[SidDithers]

38. Well, we'd finally know the truth about UFOs...nt

Sid

[Lil Missy]

41. Not a damn thing. n/t

[stray cat]

43. LOL!

he can't even accomplish winning a national election and convincing more than a handfull to vote for him. I don't think he has ever got any legislation of his own passed. Why would that change as president when he doesn't even have a legislative vote?

[NorthCarolina]

45. That's impossible to answer, too many variables. Your feeble Kuchinch slam is noted though. nt

[Cleita]

48. I think he would have been assassinated by now.

That's how nefarious our opposition is. In a way I understand Obama's caution.

[Individualist]

52. A Kucinich bashing thread for DLC supporters.

How special. Unrec.

[MrScorpio]

53. With the same Congress, absent a Rep Kucinich, probably worse than Pres Obama

However, the racist element in this country wouldn't be as uppity as they are now.

That's saying something at least.

[Ron Green]

56. Unrecommended. Mean-spirited OP

bashing a Democrat of principle and courage.