***BREAKING Reid announced cloture votes Saturday. Rachel show.

[elleng]

Source: Senate Dems Will Likely Force Vote On Middle-Class Tax Cuts.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/source-senate-dems-will-force-vote-on-middle-class-tax-cuts.php

Rachel announced that Reid had just announced a vote on tax cuts as voted today in House.

[KILL THE WISE ONE]

1. and they did not do this in October because ?

[BrklynLiberal]

7. A question that should be asked over and over and over and over!!

Why not make a move when it could have made a difference in the midterm elections...instead wait until December when it is totally meaningless...ARE THEY ALL IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rhett o rick]

16. THEY ARE NOT IDIOTS.

They represent the rich.

[BrklynLiberal]

52. aha! So they are doing this all with a reason...WE ARE THE IDIOTS..for not seeing

clearly what is actually going on in DC...
The voices in the dark are being ignored..Sanders, Grayson, Feingold, even Dean had relevant points at one time...
and George Lakoff. The Dems should be worshiping at his feet the way the repukes idolize Frank Luntz. Instead he is ignored..and everything he predicted has happened.

[Renew Deal]

53. They were too busy campaigning

:shrug:

The clock pretty much ran out without a deal.

[lame54]

55. what better campaigning than to actually do something right and useful

[Renew Deal]

56. They had done a lot right and useful for nearly 2 years

Though I don't think they did a very good job communicating that.

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[jefferson_dem]

3. On CSPAN-2 Now.

:popcorn:

[704wipes]

21. well cspan 2 is DEFINITELY the media forum

so why the hell are you posting that here?

<sarcasm>

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

4. Please explain...

[godai]

14. 60 votes needed in Senate. Won't happen.

This seems to be political kabuki theater, forcing repubs to vote against the current lower tax rates. Repubs will probably give in more than they've been willing so far, probably a 2 year extension (not permanent) for over $250K.

[elleng]

18. And if it works as you suggest, sounds like a decent deal,

tho I'd prefer 1 year extension, not 2, to avoid election-year.

[Kind of Blue]

5. Thanks!

:thumbsup:

[elleng]

17. YVW, Kind!

[BlueDemKev]

6. ????

What are you talking about?

[Swamp Rat]

8. k&r

[madinmaryland]

9. At least the powder is still dry.

:grr:

[UrbScotty]

10. Is that Harry Reid showing signs of backbone?!?!?!

[AlinPA]

30. He's hopeless. There are not 60 votes and he knows it.

[Carnage251]

11. Why don't they use reconciliation?

[elleng]

12. Something about because its about $. Not sure of details.

[Tx4obama]

15. Links with info. n/t

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconciliation_(Senate)

http://keithhennessey.com/2009/08/05/what-is-reconciliation/

[laughingliberal]

22. Doesn't make sense. Seems they passed the tax cuts under reconciliation originally. nt

[OhioBlue]

37. they didn't pass the budget so they can't use reconciliation. n/t

[laughingliberal]

41. They didn't pass a budget when they reconciled the House and Senate version of HCR but they used...

reconciliation and passed it with a simple majority.

[Tx4obama]

45. Regarding HCR reconciliation

The Senate had already passed the fundamental health reform bill, reconciliation was used to fast-track a bill that simply amended cost provisions in the existing legislation.
====
So, a bill must first be passed and then the reconciliation can be used only to amend the cost provisions.

[OhioBlue]

51. that and it was passed in FY 2010 when a budget resolution

had been passed with reconciliation instructions.

[OhioBlue]

49. Different fiscal year. Oct. 1 marked the start of fiscal year 2011

There was no budget resolution with with reconciliation instruction passed for FY 2011 - therefore it cannot be used.

http://washingtonindependent.com/91566/in-dodging-a-budget-vote-dems-take-reconciliation-off-the-table

[coti]

26. It's something about not having passed a budget and already using reconciliation once this year. nt

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[mitchtv]

13. cloture, grasshopper, cloture

that's now in the senate, and they don;t have 60

[elleng]

25. Different term; can't recall. 'Reconciliation' discussed below,

deals with legislation from 2 chambers.

[laughingliberal]

19. K & R nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

20. wow. they have grown some courage after losing. good for them

[coti]

23. Awesome. I'm proud of him. This is how you do it. nt

[robinlynne]

24. Amazing. Reid is to the left of Obama on this issue. he is going around Obama's

"republiacns welcome to the table". Never in a million years did I expect that. I love it. I mean I love the cloture vote. not the rest.

[qazplm]

28. of course

after the filibuster holds, we will be right back to deciding whether to let the tax cuts expire for everyone or doing the deal.

[old mark]

31. I contributed to Reid's campaign even though I live in PA - he is doing

a good job for us.


mark

[laughingliberal]

34. As a Nevadan, I thank you for doing your part to derail Angle's bid for the Senate. nt

[old mark]

39. I thought we had more than our share of assholes in the Senate already, and Angle

would certainly have been one too many...

And I LIKE Harry Reid!

I just wish we had had a better outcome here in PA... It's republicanland now...


mark

[laughingliberal]

43. Agree 100%. Sorry about PA. You guys really took a hit. nt

[Renew Deal]

54. They are voting on Obama's plan

:shrug:

If the tax cuts go through as planned, they are another promise 100% kept.

[AndrewP]

27. This is good news

[AlinPA]

29. Now, there's this little matter of 60 votes.

[Tx4obama]

32. Update: More details regarding Saturday's cloture votes

From the Senate Calendar....

After lengthy negotiations on a possible agreement to vote tomorrow on several amendments relating to tax cuts, we were unable to reach unanimous consent. As a result, Senator Reid began consideration of the House Message on H.R.4853 (the vehicle the House used for a tax cut extension for those making under $250,000).

Senator Reid then moved to concur in the House Amendment to the Senate Amendment to H.R.4853, with a Baucus amendment #4727. The Baucus amendment #4727 includes the $250,000 tax cut extension plus several additional items such as UI extension, AMT relief, estate tax, 1099 repeal, making work pay credit, and others. Senator Reid then filed cloture on the motion to concur with the Baucus amendment #4727.

Senator Reid then offered the Schumer amendment #4728 to Baucus #4727. The Schumer amendment #4728 includes the tax cut extension for those making up to $1 million, plus several additional items such as UI extension, AMT relief, estate tax, 1099 repeal, making work pay credit, and others. Senator Reid then filed cloture on the Schumer amendment #4728.

Senator Reid then moved to refer the bill and filled the remainder of the amendment tree.

Under Rule 22, the first cloture motion would ripen one hour after the Senate convenes on Saturday, December 4. If cloture is not invoked, the second cloture motion would ripen immediately.

This means that we will have up to 2 cloture votes on the following items:

- Motion to Concur with the Baucus amendment #4727 (tax cut extension for those making up to $250,000, plus several additional items such as UI extension, AMT relief, estate tax, 1099 repeal, making work pay credit, and others); and
- Schumer amendment #4728 (tax cut extension for those making up to $1 million, plus several additional items such as UI extension, AMT relief, estate tax, 1099 repeal, making work pay credit, and others.

There may be negotiations to move these cloture votes to an earlier time, but at this point we have been unsuccessful in doing so.

For today's full calendar details click on link: http://democrats.senate.gov/calendar/2010-12.html

[alcibiades_mystery]

33. GOP will block 4727 and move 4728 to a vote

By 3pm Saturday.

[Tx4obama]

38. 4728 sounds pretty good. n/t

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[TwilightGardener]

36. Even if it ends up just being theater, I'm glad they're doing it this way...(ignoring the insane

train wreck subthread above)...

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[fishwax]

46. clearly TPTB don't agree with you on that

A thread such as this is pretty clearly within the scope of General Discussion.

You should not call out the moderators.

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[fishwax]

50. we have a "democrats abroad" forum for accusations like that

:eyes:

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