So, what is your personal tripwire? Your line in the sand?

[Jackpine Radical]

[ibegurpard]

1. passed it months ago

healthcare "reform" was my straw.

[aquamarina]

2. Me too

When health care reform morphed into health insurance reform I knew the jig was up.

[Sherman A1]

18. Agreed

It was very hard to vote Democratic this last election while holding my nose with one hand.

[Jackpine Radical]

44. I mostly didn't have that problem.

I worked and voted happily for Feingold, but voted unhappily for the young woman running to replace Dave Obey after his retirement. I was fine with my state Senator & Assemblywoman. Sadly the whole bunch of them lost.

[Raine]

9. That was the begining

and the absolute final will be SS! :nuke:

[emilyg]

37. Absolutely.

[abelenkpe]

I remember one nite after the pres gave a speech

where he said a public option was on of the tools put forth in his efforts for HCR. Everyone here said he promised a public option. But he clearly did not. But man, if one pointed that out you were jumped by so many hysterical people who thought otherwise.

So HCR passed, with no public option. The battle isn't over though and what was gained was pretty small.

I went to the drugstore to get my 4 year old daughter antibiotics for an ear infection. They wanted 85 dollars for 10 days worth of medicine. Yeah, big freaking improvement there. I love a system where the most vulnerable and needy pay the most and where the wealthy pay the least.

[derby378]

14. Boom-shaka-laka-laka

Selling out HCR to Big Insurance was the Big One.

[jtrockville]

57. Yep, me too.

Sure, I'll likely end up voting for the Democrat as usual. But I'm looking for alternatives.

In fact, last election there were a few offices where I simply just couldn't convince myself to pull the proverbial lever for the Democrat, so I ended up writing in.

[abelenkpe]

3. ss

Including raising the retirement age. Which is just cruel.

[wtbymark]

4. I think it was the first Gulf War n/t

[pnwmom]

5. Tripwire for whom? Congress? Obama? nt

[beforeyoureyes]

6. Need a 'already passed it ages ago' option

If I recall, wasn't it no public option was the trip wire?

[northernlights]

7. passed it some time ago...nt

[gateley]

8. I'm pretty much at the tipping point with the tax thing, but if the bottom line

is only "compromise" will get the go ahead to extend unemployment benefits, I may have to just deal with it.

BUT, if we didn't extend the tax cuts for the top 2%, we'd most likely not need to fuck with SS, right? Maybe?

I'm damn close, that's all I know.

[Jackpine Radical]

61. There is really no connection between income taxes & SS.

The real solution for SS is simply to raise the cap on contributions. Now we pay only on the first $100 k.

But not extending the top-end tax cuts would make a very nice dent in the deficit.

[xchrom]

10. Donnie mcclurkin -- I voted for O. Any way.

So my line in the sand is pretty weak.

[Subdivisions]

11. Already past it. n/t

[Bluebear]

12. Being lectured to that we needed to "move forward" from prosecuting torture.

The line was drawn then.

[Greyhound]

That was another one.

:thumbsup:

[Greyhound]

13. Not listed.

But dumping the collapse of the financial system on the backs of the taxpayers, while barring any input from the health care workers from the debates.

[NNN0LHI]

15. Increases in my property taxes is my line in the sand

I don't care who raises them. Dem? Rethug? Don't matter. I will work to get them voted out next election.

Don

[Taitertots]

16. Cuts to social security

We need to stop pretending there is a social security trust fund and use the excess paid into social security to create a sovereign wealth fund.

[Taverner]

17. It's not about that

Is he better than Bush or McCain? Yes

If its between him and any Republican, yes

But is he anything more than a pol and a member of the club? No.

[Arctic Dave]

19. Ratcheting up the occupation and murder in the ME.

So the answer is, awhile ago.

[treestar]

20. You're setting it up so that there has to be some one thing

Like you are hoping the Democrats will end up with no one in their party and the President will hopefully one day have no supporters.

My line is Republicans in the White House.

Real Republicans. The kind that get us into new wars and who believe in pure capitalism - just put on your bootstraps. No environmental protection - God will take care of it.

[Gabi Hayes]

21. combined teacher/union bashing, with a very evident agenda, here at DU, of all places

now....time for some of this:



http://www.partybluprintsblog.com/uncategorized/fridays-featured-cocktail-the-bakon-mary

I'm so pissed at that ludicrous, agenda-driven thread currently infesting the board, I need a stiff one of the above

thank you for your time

[rug]

22. War.

[jannyk]

23. I was done at No Public Option and Mandatory, For Profit Insurance. nt

[tomm2thumbs]

25. No Public Option - or even serious discussion of it in conference

they had already knitted the sweater and were parading it around like it was only a spool of yarn

[ProudDad]

24. Selling out health care to the corporations...

If you're talking about Obama...

(it wasn't on the list though)...

Vietnam if you're talking about forever...

[pnorman]

26. "THERE'S NOT A DIME'S WORTH OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN................."

N/T

[Dappleganger]

27. It was Arne Duncan and the race to the bottom.

[blondeatlast]

41. I hadn't QUITE reached it then, but the refusal of raising wages for Fed workers

when it would be a drop in the deficit bucket did it for me.

I NEVER thought I would reach this point.

[EFerrari]

28. Mine was Honduras.

Because they did there in little what they are doing up here more quietly.

[DutchLiberal]

50. Mine, too (see my reply below)...

Too bad very little Democrats (even on DU) even care, 'cause it's "only" Honduras, and they have coups there all the time, right? :eyes:

And then he gives the Medal of Freedom to Poppy Bush! :puke:

[laughingliberal]

59. +1 nt

[Matariki]

29. The real question is "once crossed, do you admit you'll move your 'line in the sand'?"

Because otherwise, what?

[immune]

48. Good question!!!

I'd like an answer to that one as well.

[Toucano]

30. It's the aggregate of assaults on the less fortunate. n/t

There isn't really a trip wire...it's the weight of everything.

[bobbolink]

68. Thank you. We are mostly forgotten.

:yourock:

[Orsino]

31. Citizens United.

A Supreme Court decision legalizing the thing that's most wrong with America, putting any solutions permanently out of reach, and guaranteeing that corruption can only increase.

We don't come back from this peacefully, and I'm frightened.

[asdjrocky]

32. Really hard to say.

When he couldn't even pull out a public option, after promising one, and having more than 70% of the PEOPLE saying they wanted one, I started drawing that line.

[slackmaster]

33. Misuse of the apostrophe

:nuke:

[Gabi Hayes]

34. whats' your problem?

[pacalo]

35. Cuts to Social Security (which WE paid into for many years), but ALSO tax cuts for

the super wealthy. The line has already been crossed when these two issues went up for debate. SS is what's OWED to us, getting back what we paid into it; the second one, as insane as the very idea is, should have been definitively considered a dead issue.

[Nye Bevan]

36. Does "line in the sand" mean that you will not vote for Obama in 2012?

Thereby helping the repuke win?

So if tax cuts for the rich are temporarily extended, you will help Palin become president in 2012, so she can make the tax cuts permanent! Yeah, makes sense!

[emilyg]

38. That line does not work anymore for some of us.

[Jackpine Radical]

42. I think everyone defines that differently.

For me, it was a loss of faith that Obama was really looking out for the interests of the common people. It was a loss of my faith that he was interested in turning things around fast enough to save the world from the many ecological, financial, and--dammit--spiritual crises we face. It was when a sense of dread replaced my earlier hope.

I will almost certainly vote for the Democratic candidate in 2012, but I can't bring myself to work for him or contribute money as I did in 2008, or as I did for Feingold this fall.

I guess the money won't matter; he seems to be jockeying for millions from the millionaires, so my few shekels won't be missed. I guess that's true for most of us with our puny $20 or 50 or $100 checks.

He'd BETTER get big money, because I don't think a lot of people will be volunteering on the phone banks and on the sidewalks, so he's going to have to hire phone solicitors and shills like the Republicans do.

[Canuckistanian]

39. The tax cut thing would be a direct breaking of a promise

That he made on several occasion. It helped get him elected.

The SS thing wasn't even imagined as being remotely possible during the '08 campaign.

So, I'd go for the latter.

[Luciferous]

40. Mine was health care

[sarcasmo]

43. 3 cheerleaders walk into a bar.

[mike_c]

45. immoral wars of aggression....

Evil foreign policy. Dominance of the MIC. Wall Street handouts. Maintaining medical insurance company market hegemony.

My lines were all crossed LONG ago.

[uppityperson]

46. Polls that don't define their terms or questions adequately

Personal tripwire, line in the sand for what? For whom?

[Jackpine Radical]

63. Define the terms in a way that works for you.

My purpose was to have a discussion and discover what others are thinking, not to conduct a formal survey. The poll part is just a gimmick I added at the last minute, not something I carefully designed as I would if I were doing research.

[uppityperson]

64. For Obama it would be actively anti-choice stance, working to overturn roe v wade

or putting more hinderances in place. In which case I would work towards having another Dem win the primary.

For my congresscritters, I don't know that I would work against them as I like what they do and support what they do.

[Jackpine Radical]

73. Thank you. That was a really useful contribution.

It's been a while since I read through the thread, but I don't recall anti-choice being mentioned by anyone else.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

47. Mine was when he said he would escalate the war in Afghanistan.

Sadly, a promise he kept.

[DutchLiberal]

49. November 5th, 2009: Obama recognizes the new coup regime in Honduras...

Hillary Clinton says 'democracy' has returned to the Latin-American country. Shakes hands with Perfiro Lobo, 'elected' in fraudulent elections, after a coup d'état in which at least the American military base was involved to deport the legitimate president, Manuel Zelaya, out of the country. Aid to Honduras resumed despite severe human right violations continue every day; free press is non-existent; journalists and opposition members get killed or 'disappear'.

It's the 1980's all over again.

No wonder Obama awarded the Medal of Freedom to George H.W. Bush...

[EFerrari]

53. Nov. 5

Why does that date ring a bell?

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

51. When Rahm called us Fucking Retarded

But I thank him for doing it, otherwise I wouldn't have proof that that's how they think of us. I would have just been left to continue to speculate by counting the ways they show us that they think we are fucking retarded.

[TwilightGardener]

65. Can you pull up that quote? In context? Because he was calling a suggestion retarded, IIRC.

As in "that's fucking retarded". I don't recall him ever saying "Progressives are retarded" or "You guys are retarded"--but if you can find where he does so, I'll stand corrected. If not, then you are lying.

[Nite Owl]

52. Real healthcare reform did

it for me though it really isn't just one thing. It's accumulation of all the lies that he told us during the campaign. Social Security, wars, no prosecution of the last administration (and finding out that he was part of saying hands off), when he cheered the firing of the teachers in RI, the teacher bashing, Rick Warren, the list goes on and on. It just can't be said he made a mistake and tried he is the mistake, it isn't Congress or who he has as advisors, he's in charge.

[Steely_Dan]

54. Well...I'm Pretty Much Done...

I have no tolerance for dishonesty...even in politicians.

However, if he does anything remotely close to adhering to Democratic principles, I will be the first to praise him...as I did with Warren.

-P

[woo me with science]

55. Trashing the Fourth Amendment

by lining up ordinary Americans to have their crotches searched as though they were criminals or chattel in a fascist state. Then having the gall to claim that the new procedures are critical to our safety even while TSA is turning off the scanners on the busiest travel weekend of the year for purely political reasons.

This was the last straw after multiple outrageous examples of ignoring or showing outright contempt for the people he is supposed to represent. His entrenchment of bloodsucking health insurance companies into our health care system against the will of the voters, for example.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

56. He crossed it with the bogus "health care reform" corporate welfare bill

Everything he has done since assuming office is transparently of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations.

But when he met in private with the insurance companies (like Dick Cheney meeting with the energy companies) and refused to see the single payer advocates at all, that confirmed my worst suspicions, and nothing has unconfirmed them.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

58. honestly, none of the dems make me happy (i mean on a presidential level)

but the line i draw is being better than the republican. its kinda sad.

[BzaDem]

60. The Democratic nominee becoming more conservative than the Republican nominee. n/t

[Catherina]

62. The ongoing wars. The rest is just more piss on the cake. n/t

[bobbolink]

66. No "Other"?

The fact that poverty was never an issue.

That became my dividing line years ago, and remains so.

*I* vote my own best interests... and those of millions of others. Ain't popular, but tough shit.

[NightWatcher]

67. A combination of about a dozen of these things and the general willingness to shit on Progressives

[annabanana]

69. My heart was broken when torture was given a pass. . .

but I'm still here.

[Ichingcarpenter]

71. GITMO IS STILL NOT CLOSED

End the Wars and TORTURE Like he said
and prosecute it....... and END IT!

that was my simple wish.....Now about the banks

Well, I did warn you, or thought I did.......that

THE POWERS THAT ARE ..... ARE REAL

OCTAFISH UNDERSTANDS THIS

But we both........love HUMANITY.

[lunatica]

70. Actively working to supress all legal action against Bush and Cheney

I didn't like that he said 'looking forward', but at least that meant no action. But to find out his administration deliberately impeded and even threatened against any legal action by other countries was like someone pushed a button in me. I can't pretend it didn't happen and what Bush and Cheney did are crimes against humanity, and Obama letting them go free is criminal in itself. We are no longer a country of laws. We just pretend to be.

I don't hate him. I don't think everything is his fault, but I just don't have any faith in him anymore. If it comes to it I guess I would vote for him again but only because a Sarah Palin would truly be far worse.

[AndrewP]

72. I have a few, not just one

Politicians who are:

Anti-Union
Pro War
Anti-Animal Welfare
Anti-Conservation
In favor of stripping Social Security Benefits


They are the ones that can buzz off.